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akadajet posted:articles on ios dev are always inspiring "awful IDE software" seems triple-redundant
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 19:46 |
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CPColin posted:"awful IDE software" seems triple-redundant visual studio is the only good ide i've ever used. why aren't more ides like that?
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 19:47 |
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akadajet posted:articles on ios dev are always inspiring xcode is good
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 19:52 |
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GenJoe posted:xcode is good
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 19:53 |
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akadajet posted:visual studio is the only good ide i've ever used. why aren't more ides like that? We don't need more stupid and bad IDE's.
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 19:55 |
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akadajet posted:articles on ios dev are always inspiring i bet this guy writes terrible code
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 20:43 |
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carry on then posted:i bet this guy writes terrible code should I reach out and ask him to post in yospos?
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 20:48 |
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AggressivelyStupid posted:JavaScript was a mistake Eich should’ve just embedded Scheme48 and called it a day sure we’d be stuck at R4RS but it’d still be a far, far better world
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 21:05 |
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akadajet posted:articles on ios dev are always inspiring I hate this attitude we’ve always dogfooded, during bring-up of the huge change that was Xcode 4, we explicitly switched to it at the earliest possible point
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 21:10 |
eschaton posted:I hate this attitude im out of the loop on this, can you explain what you mean?
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 21:43 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:im out of the loop on this, can you explain what you mean? dogfooding = using your own software he means the xcode team is using xcode and switched to xcode 4 as soon as it became functional enough Zlodo fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Sep 30, 2018 |
# ? Sep 30, 2018 21:51 |
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Didn't he say they were literally not allowed to use other companies' IDEs anyway? So I don't think they have much choice about dogfooding unless they have a secret less lovely internal IDE.
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 21:56 |
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It's not about free choice, it's about sharing/understanding their users' pain points.
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 22:12 |
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mystes posted:Didn't he say they were literally not allowed to use other companies' IDEs anyway? So I don't think they have much choice about dogfooding unless they have a secret less lovely internal IDE. I mean there is a third option: no ide literally saw someone internally arguing in favor of writing code in loving notepad++ the other day. thank god they weren’t working on anything I’ll ever have to touch
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 22:13 |
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actually I misread he didn't specifically said the xcode team but his point was that they use xcode internally at apple, which makes sense anyway why would you invest money in building dev tools and not use them yourself
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 22:13 |
Zlodo posted:dogfooding = using your own software ah, makes sense now. cheers
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 22:18 |
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Doom Mathematic posted:It's not about free choice, it's about sharing/understanding their users' pain points. which is the point of the original statement. there are a lot of weird pain points when using xcode. symbols unable to be resolved while debugging, the awkwardness of using interface builder, the hoops you have to jump to submit an app to the app store, the random crashes, slow builds, unwanted text at the top of every new file, etc... akadajet fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Sep 30, 2018 |
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mystes posted:Didn't he say they were literally not allowed to use other companies' IDEs anyway? So I don't think they have much choice about dogfooding unless they have a secret less lovely internal IDE. that’s not the case, developers under my SVP at least have extremely broad leeway in terms of personal tools as long as their work gets done of course individual groups/teams/managers may set their own rules
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 22:29 |
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Zlodo posted:actually I misread he didn't specifically said the xcode team but his point was that they use xcode internally at apple, which makes sense anyway I was referring to both (one guess as to what I’ve worked on for a long time)
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 22:30 |
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Zlodo posted:why would you invest money in building dev tools and not use them yourself microsoft does this all of the time. visual source safe is my favorite one of these
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 22:31 |
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akadajet posted:if all you're doing as a dev is "learning frameworks", then you aren't accomplishing anything useful. agreed, but in that case you're likely a front end dev so wouldn't be accomplishing anything useful anyway
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# ? Sep 30, 2018 22:52 |
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redleader posted:agreed, but in that case you're likely a front end dev so wouldn't be accomplishing anything useful anyway There's plenty of backend devs that love love love them some frameworks. EntityFramework, Django, RoR (or any of the MVC frameworks), NHibernate, etc. etc. etc.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 15:45 |
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akadajet posted:visual studio is the only good ide i've ever used. why aren't more ides like that? It took like 12 years for VS to be good though so it's not a great example. The difference between VS2007 and VS2017 is staggering
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 16:22 |
first class git support, only in vs2027
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 16:25 |
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Skyl3lazer posted:It took like 12 years for VS to be good though so it's not a great example. The difference between VS2007 and VS2017 is staggering also it's still not good, in fact its getting worse with every major release current vs status: today when I double click an entry in the call stack it opens an editor for that file as a tab on top of the call stack instead of where other editors are it almost died on me earlier when unfolding a pretty simple class in the watch view also had to kill and restart it after regenerating the project from cmake and it hung but that's part of my daily routine at this point oh also the linker ooms randomly and crashes if a symbol is missing I enjoy a better development experience at home in Linux with vs code, clang and a shoddy lldb vscode extension
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 16:47 |
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Skyl3lazer posted:It took like 12 years for VS to be good though so it's not a great example. The difference between VS2007 and VS2017 is staggering it's also really only good in windows. VS for mac is weird and features and documentation are all over the place.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 16:51 |
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Boiled Water posted:it's also really only good in windows. VS for mac is weird and features and documentation are all over the place.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 17:01 |
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Zlodo posted:also had to kill and restart it after regenerating the project from cmake and it hung but that's part of my daily routine at this point the lldb and gdb integration is nice
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 17:09 |
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wait are the “vs is good” “vs is ok at best” arguments had between c#/c++ devs? that would make a lot of sense
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 17:11 |
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probably. I only do c# in vs so I cant comment on the c++ tooling.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 17:12 |
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Finster Dexter posted:There's plenty of backend devs that love love love them some frameworks. EntityFramework, Django, RoR (or any of the MVC frameworks), NHibernate, etc. etc. etc. you forgot spring lol
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 17:15 |
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raminasi posted:wait are the “vs is good” “vs is ok at best” arguments had between c#/c++ devs? that would make a lot of sense yeah, I do c# and visual studio is really amazing for that.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 17:16 |
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akadajet posted:you forgot spring lol java frameworks...lmbo
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 17:17 |
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Finster Dexter posted:There's plenty of backend devs that love love love them some frameworks. EntityFramework, Django, RoR (or any of the MVC frameworks), NHibernate, etc. etc. etc. why is this a bad thing
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 17:31 |
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i love framework. framework let me build big code all by myself
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 17:33 |
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GenJoe posted:i love framework. framework let me build big code all by myself you have to be careful with all that power
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 17:34 |
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with great power comes great separation of responsibilities
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 18:02 |
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also spending an entire day looking at JVM class loading logs to figure out why the loving entity classes aren't getting woven
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 18:11 |
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Neslepaks posted:with great power comes great separation of responsibilities
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 18:30 |
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ctps:code:
i'm going to track down whoever the gently caress did this and beat them mercilessly with a goddamn sock full of quarters please raise bail money
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 18:56 |