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i guess for me i had to be pretty direct because they had 'unlimited pto' which raised a shitload of red flags for me so i had to be extremely sure i wasn't jumping out of the pan and into the flame, so to speak
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meatpotato posted:lol they came back today and said "actually, we can only do <way less than before>", which is about 10% more than my last job but the additional commute or moving expenses would completely negate and likely exceed the increase in salary :/ Jesus that's some serious cajones for them to come back with a ~25% swing downward Keep at it. It's a numbers game, 100%.
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Sep 28, 2018 03:27
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had a company's recruiter reschedule from thursday of last week to monday of this week. then he no-showed and never replied to my "hey we still doing this?" email. waste of an hour all said and done just to get ghosted.
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Sep 28, 2018 09:21
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meatpotato posted:lol they came back today and said "actually, we can only do <way less than before>", which is about 10% more than my last job but the additional commute or moving expenses would completely negate and likely exceed the increase in salary :/ unless you really need the job, tell them to go gently caress themselves. that's really, really lovely imo
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Sep 28, 2018 17:52
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Arcsech posted:unless you really need the job, tell them to go gently caress themselves. that's really, really lovely imo i do need a job, but probably not that job. i didn't tell them to gently caress off, i just said that i'll make a decision in two weeks and in the interim i'd like information about their benefits package and any perks they offer so i can compare it with other offers i may* have * don't actually
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Sep 28, 2018 18:02
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Definitely worth holding out if you have like 5 other interviews coming up. If they can't wait 2 weeks 
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Sep 28, 2018 19:12
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that doesn't bode well for what the place would be like to work at
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Sep 28, 2018 19:25
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I don’t think they’re being malicious, just dysfunctional either way I don’t want to work there im doing an on-site interview today and another on monday, here’s hoping it goes well
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Sep 28, 2018 19:46
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Interesting phone conversation with a startup. Me: How do you guys make money? Optional tips from our users and merch sales Me: Are you guys currently profitable? No. Me: How much runway do you have? We got 16 mill in funding two years ago so quite a lot. splat
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Sep 28, 2018 21:28
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how much runway would that give the company? current startup (and likely only) I’m in would last a year, which uhh is a dull prospect
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Sep 28, 2018 22:03
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Boiled Water posted:how much runway would that give the company? current startup (and likely only) I’m in would last a year, which uhh is a dull prospect My company is the same size and it would last about 2 years or less.
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Sep 28, 2018 22:06
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Also they wanted me to do an 8 hour take home lol. No chance.
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Sep 28, 2018 22:24
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that reminds me of someone in a coc thread saying that was perfectly reasonable. lol indeed.
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Sep 28, 2018 22:27
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qsvui posted:that reminds me of someone in a coc thread saying that was perfectly reasonable. lol indeed. they went hog wild with it, that tangent was ridiculous
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Sep 28, 2018 22:28
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some time ago a company gave me a take home coding challenge and said it'd take me ~10h to complete, I did it in 1h30min but joke's on me because I was ghosted after that
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Symbolic Butt posted:some time ago a company gave me a take home coding challenge and said it'd take me ~10h to complete, I did it in 1h30min They probably copy pasted it from the same place you did
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I didn't copypaste poo poo, the task was about doing a super basic accounting sheet rest api. lol if they thought that takes 10h.
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qhat posted:Interesting phone conversation with a startup. did they reveal what their burn rate was
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Sep 29, 2018 00:50
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if they pay really poorly that money could go really far!
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Sep 29, 2018 02:03
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I just got out of an all-day on-site with an well-known company and it was extremely stressful and off-putting so i feel like doodoo now there were multiple interviewers on their phones at various points. one left early to do something else. one guy had bad b/o and also got pretty frustrated with me over his made-up interview question. he handed me two pages of printed out multithreaded C code and told me to write code to optimize it for speed, memory, and make sure it runs reproducibly. it took at least a half hour of reading and asking questions to get to the point where I understood the intent of the code and I could even suggest optimizations so I basically ran out of time. several people had difficult to understand accents so communication was challenging on top of the technical questions not only that but nearly everybody seemed to lord over me how mission-critical their team’s code is to be bug free b/c it runs on a billion units but they also ship at an insane schedule and they only hire the brightest, etc. gah nobody looked healthy either sorry for the rant. if i even get an offer (lol) I’ll probably decline it b/c of “culture fit”. the situation actually left me with a headache and a bad impression of the company, or at least that team
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sorry, I can’t really place any blame on people with a strong accent. i should know better since ive studied another language. and plus, overcoming communication issues is more of a legitimate real-life challenge than the coding questions they ask. the experience was just too intense i think like, everyone who Interviewed was so drat sure/confident of of stuff I know almost nothing about and i felt small and dumb and unsure
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Sep 29, 2018 02:44
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based on a recent experience I feel like good interviewers don't purposely try to crush you, harping on "we only hire the brightest" is a red flag imo like I had an interview once where the guy kept repeating that over and over, testing me to see if I was MAN ENOUGH or something
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Sep 29, 2018 02:56
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im a whiner, sorry people some interviewers were just fine but about half seemed like people i wouldn’t want to work with
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Sep 29, 2018 03:48
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It sounds like that place would've been a nightmare.
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Sep 29, 2018 04:45
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meatpotato posted:some interviewers were just fine but about half seemed like people i wouldn’t want to work with Yep. If you're applying to posts instead of seeking out recommendations this is normal. You are interviewing them.
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Sep 29, 2018 09:22
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accidentally reactivated my account with the only good headhunters I've worked with and now they're blowing me up and I'm thinking about just rolling with it. if they can find me something with good tech for >20% more I'd prob consider it so I guess why not? I'm doing too much pm poo poo right now and want to do more ic poo poo and idk
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I was recently hired as a data scientist. I'm finishing my PhD at the moment but when I start I'll mostly have experience in MATLAB, Python, shell, different kinds of uni- and multivariate modeling schemes, bit of decoding/classification, and so forth. This is all cool and good. The company I actually ended up accepting an offer from uses: SAS and Excel. Welp... I accepted the offer anyway. I know someone who works there and it's a big corporation with unbeatable work/life balance, above-average salary, and lots of training opportunities. The job is in finance, which I've never done. Should I get bored or get the impression that my skillset is going to waste, I've decided to learn as much as possible about that industry and then move on. It was a real eye opener to see how much easier it is to get an industry job than an academic job. There also was a different company where I had a very different experience. First off, they specifically were looking 'not for PhDs'. When I asked them why, they answered (I'm paraphrasing): "We have plenty of PhDs, all from the technical university around the corner. They're all socially inept and can't explain to our managers or clients what they're doing. We need someone who can behave among humans." So I explain to them that I did a lot of science outreach and if I can explain my PhD project to a bunch of third graders and medical regulators, I can probably explain their dumb regression analysis to a client. I talk an hour to their data science lead. Interview seemed good, they call in the CEO from his day off (!) who interviews me for another 90 minutes. Apart from the fact that they seemed a little unprofessional was really fine. Few days later I miss a call from a company that runs background checks. I call back and they tell me there's a guy who wants to check out my references, he'll get in touch with me for details. He doesn't. The company I applied at doesn't take messages over LinkedIn or email and doesn't pick up their phone. Feel like I dodged a bullet there.
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Lord Stimperor posted:There also was a different company where I had a very different experience. First off, they specifically were looking 'not for PhDs'. When I asked them why, they answered (I'm paraphrasing): "We have plenty of PhDs, all from the technical university around the corner. They're all socially inept and can't explain to our managers or clients what they're doing. We need someone who can behave among humans." If they actually said that, then lol, the PhDs aren't the problem.
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qhat posted:If they actually said that, then lol, the PhDs aren't the problem. yeah, who is hiring these phds and setting the boundaries and expectations for them such that they have the problem they are describing or is the problem Not With the PhDs
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meatpotato posted:sorry, I can’t really place any blame on people with a strong accent. i should know better since ive studied another language. and plus, overcoming communication issues is more of a legitimate real-life challenge than the coding questions they ask. Just want to empathize with you. This has been my interview experience with every big tech co. Exhausting all-day onsites filled with intense, unhappy people and coding questions that are ridiculous. Amazon, Microsoft, Cisco, Qualcomm were all like this. Google and FB reached out and I didn't even bother. These were all for senior level roles, FWIW. I currently work for a large HMO with amazing benefits (remote work, pension, etc) and good salary, but I feel like a fake because I've never worked for a "real" software company. Our dev practices are poo poo and I learn nothing here, but interviews are insanely hit or miss now. There's basically no way to prepare for all the poo poo they can ask. tl;dr interview too hard
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ForrestPUMP69 posted:tl;dr interview too hard thanks for commiserating and 
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gently caress interviews and software
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When I was interviewing for my current job I misheard the interviewer's thick accent of "sorted" as "salted" and started coding up a completely unrelated solution on the whiteboard. We figured out the source of the confusion midway though.
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had another on-site today at a big company. it was the complete opposite of the experience I had last week. everybody was polite and in a good mood. everybody told me about an interesting variety of work they did (no “ive been working on the same team for 15 years”). the coding questions were more challenging than last week’s, but the interviewers were far more helpful at guiding me to a solution or letting me hit the end of my knowledge and have a discussion. I probably won’t get the job but at least im not pissed off like last time I interviewed 
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post interview report: i tend to think it's a bad sign when more than one work area has a small table topped with liquor bottles. also when an interviewer says "our hundreds of developers just decide for themselves what to build, except when the founder-CEO personally requests something"
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i had my first day and i do not know how to process these bougie people and this environment that doesn't have open contempt for it's employees. i anticipate 3-6 months of feeling like a total fraud.
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Gazpacho posted:post interview report: i tend to think it's a bad sign when more than one work area has a small table topped with liquor bottles. also when an interviewer says "our hundreds of developers just decide for themselves what to build, except when the founder-CEO personally requests something" bad sign of what, getting paid to drink while loving around with a compiler? sounds like a pretty god deal to me. as long as the office is close to a bus stop or something
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