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I have awakened! There are many posts. Most excellent. I will read the many posts.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 12:37 |
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# ? Apr 23, 2024 16:16 |
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A most excellent page snipe. Yes, well done.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 12:38 |
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Asiina posted:I have awakened! I hope you love the words “sussing” and “out”.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 12:42 |
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Yeah that was a fun reread. Here are my opinions on sussing out: I'm fine with Bif's usage of the term to describe what I was doing, because it's accurate. I don't know Madman's alignment and am putting some pressure on via a vote to see where it goes. Something I'm surprised she didn't bring up as a reason she thought that, but I thought made it pretty clear that I'm not certain I'm right was my explanation to MMT. I describe it as "not much of a case yet" and "feels weird" because that's about where I am. It's a very weak D1 case, but my first non-joke thoughts of the game. If that's what we end D1 with, content wise, that would be a shame. I suppose I don't really have problems with people thinking I'm more certain than I am, because I've put down a vote, so honestly that whole linguistic analysis all reads alignment neutral for me.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 12:59 |
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everyone is too well behaved on this wagon, i'm pretty impressed actually. keep it up team!
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:07 |
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As for Bif and BK, I definitely think Bif comes off looking better. Maybe it's because I know she's right about my motivations, but I don't really see the idea that she's being unclear in any way. She doesn't think it's a strong enough case to vote on right now, but thinks I'm townie for making it. She's vote it at the end of the day if she needed to, but hopefully something better will come along. Also can we agree that chain-lynches are not actually scummy because like there's no reason that they are. Looking at someone's post and going "if this happens, I'm going to be suspicious of you" is a totally normal and town thing to say. Especially because if you're town there's always a chance you die at night, so why not put your opinions out there now. It's not like you're locking yourself into a vote by saying that. That never actually happens. Anyway, as for BK, I agree with MMT and it really seems like BK went into this going I WILL CASE SOMEONE, picked Bif, and came up with the reasons afterwards. I think the way he appears to be going after all of it as scummy is what gets me. Like Gaspy broke down Bif's post and went "these are parts I agree with, these are parts I disagree with" which feels townie because he's not approaching the post with his mind already made up. BK seems to decide everything Bif does is more evidence that she's scum. That always has the hallmarks of a fake case to me, since even scum are going to make some good sounding points sometimes. I'd vote BK.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:08 |
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Max posted:Anyway, this post caught my eye because I cannot figure out why they would bring up hypothetically be cased instead unless they had a guilty mindset, and would like IcePheonix to expand on this. Also once again I agree with Max. That IP post pinged me too, in that it feels too defensive a reaction for someone saying "I might be suspicious of you later if this thing happens."
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:10 |
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hambeet posted:everyone is too well behaved on this wagon, i'm pretty impressed actually. keep it up team! YOU SMELL LIKE POOP!
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:10 |
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chain lynches aren't scummy, they're just bad logic sometimes
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:12 |
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Asiina posted:Also can we agree that chain-lynches are not actually scummy because like there's no reason that they are. Looking at someone's post and going "if this happens, I'm going to be suspicious of you" is a totally normal and town thing to say. Especially because if you're town there's always a chance you die at night, so why not put your opinions out there now. It's not like you're locking yourself into a vote by saying that. That never actually happens. Yes to all of this. I think people jump at chain lynches when they’re not really there, in exactly the way you’re suggesting. Saying “if x happens I’ll be suspicious of x-person” isn’t scummy and writing it off as setting up a chain lynch is just kinda shutting down conversation.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:15 |
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Asiina posted:As for Bif and BK, I definitely think Bif comes off looking better. Maybe it's because I know she's right about my motivations, but I don't really see the idea that she's being unclear in any way. She doesn't think it's a strong enough case to vote on right now, but thinks I'm townie for making it. She's vote it at the end of the day if she needed to, but hopefully something better will come along. to the bold part, but to reiterate what i said earlier, bif has kinda done the exact same thing back to bk. so while i was 'meh' on the whole thing (because you have to start somewhere) bif's last couple of posts on it made me tad less comfortable with bif at this here campfire ya see.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:15 |
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Asphyxious posted:Yes to all of this. I think people jump at chain lynches when they’re not really there, in exactly the way you’re suggesting. Saying “if x happens I’ll be suspicious of x-person” isn’t scummy and writing it off as setting up a chain lynch is just kinda shutting down conversation. people abuse the term like people used to abuse omgus.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:16 |
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like christ, you're allowed to defend oneself
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:17 |
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hambeet posted:chain lynches aren't scummy, they're just bad logic sometimes It’s scummy if you just tunnel and don’t assess new information, though. Like if you said something like my above example day 1, then stick to it ignoring night 1 and day 2, that’s dodgy.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:17 |
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Asphyxious posted:It’s scummy if you just tunnel and don’t assess new information, though. Like if you said something like my above example day 1, then stick to it ignoring night 1 and day 2, that’s dodgy. Yeah, but so is any amount of "##vote whoever okay see you D3" nonsense. If you're using it as an excuse to check out, that's scummy, but it's the checking out that's scummy not the set up itself. Wait for the person to do the scummy thing before calling them scum. (It's my content game all over again)
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:23 |
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hambeet posted:to the bold part, but to reiterate what i said earlier, bif has kinda done the exact same thing back to bk. so while i was 'meh' on the whole thing (because you have to start somewhere) bif's last couple of posts on it made me tad less comfortable with bif at this here campfire ya see. I just see that as defending herself though, since BK's posts are about her, so it doesn't really feel like the same thing to me.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:23 |
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well let's see what BK's saying by the time I wake up, but the way he was replying sure didn't make me feel any more charitable. I didn't give my thoughts on TMM in my first post cause at the time I was reacting more to IP, making that mental note about him and putting it out there to needle him a little bit. But when BK was all concerned that it didn't divulge enough of my thoughts about TMM, I made that clear for him... only for him to insist I just still made no sense. Even though he was recapping it like he'd understood perfectly.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:29 |
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hambeet posted:No soluslunes yet? I'm here! Finally! this weekend has been rear end and then my car died for what is likely the stupidest of reasons (easily fixed, but I have to dig around in the engine compartment and it's been raining all day)
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:38 |
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Huzzah!
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:42 |
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And wow, I completely fuckin' missed jokephase. well let me get in the traditional jokevote regardless ##vote ham n' beets
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:45 |
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okay now to move to serious mafia-ing ##unvote
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:45 |
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So I just skimmed the BK/Bif thing, and I'll give it more of a think in a few hours, when I've properly caffeinated. I hope you're all waiting with bated breath for when Solus Gets It Wrong At Mafia Again, and votes to lynch town
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:46 |
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Max posted:Anyway, this post caught my eye because I cannot figure out why they would bring up hypothetically be cased instead unless they had a guilty mindset, and would like IcePheonix to expand on this. o before e Anyways, I'm just sick of people deciding my votes ping them on day one. It's always "IcePhoenix seems like they're overjustifying maybe scum??? " and then I just vote with a short justification and it's "IcePhoenix is clearly trying to start a bandwagon, scum???? :thunk" and then if I'm out of thread and see a case that's good and agree with it and vote on it it's "Oh is IcePhoenix bussing? SCUM????????!??!!??!?!?!?! " and I just don't know what you assholes want from me anymore, and it's really annoying because I would just like to play the whole mafia game instead of constantly defending myself on day one which inevitably carries over to the next days because now I'm a target.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:47 |
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oh and I see asiina is in on it too now, loving joy
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:48 |
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(also we brought in a pair of new fosters yesterday, which is why I had no time for mafs) (they were in a barn fire yesterday morning, momma cat got three of the five kittens out, the other two were in the barn during the fire. The male kitten laid over his sister to protect her from the fire, and he's a bit of a crispy critter. No actual burns, but his fur is all singed, sometimes a bit down to the skin, and his whiskers/eyebrows are burnt off. But his sister's unscathed!)
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:48 |
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We were having such a chill time
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:49 |
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Good morning thread!
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:57 |
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Asphyxious posted:We were having such a chill time things are still chill imo, can't be unchill while looking at that many thunk faces
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 13:58 |
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Bifauxnen posted:things are still chill imo, can't be unchill while looking at that many thunk faces
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 14:01 |
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Hmmm....I personally think BK comes out better in the Bif/BK thing. The original BK vote is fine and I think the people trying to say he's manufacturing a case are a little suspect. Especially since he dropped a reaction vote with a decent reason and then things have taken off from there. So how exactly is that an actual 'case'? Just go back to the start of it, Bif makes this post: Bifauxnen posted:got enough reasons there, bud? And a few minutes later, BK votes her for it: BottleKnight posted:##vote bif And from that point, bif seems to turn it more into a conversation about semantics than about alignment calls. Now come on, who is seriously going to look at that Bif post and blame BK for putting dropping a vote there?
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 14:07 |
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SolusLunes posted:(also we brought in a pair of new fosters yesterday, which is why I had no time for mafs) Get well soon Herocat. Still catching up on what appears to be the now standard flood of overnight posts, but both BK/Bif have explained their positions enough that I don't think either is necessarily coming from a place of bad faith. IPs overly defensive reaction is interesting, but I'm guessing there's some past game history informing that?
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 14:20 |
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Also, let's not forget about this exchange, it happened shortly after BK drops his bif vote:BottleKnight posted:I legitimately still don't know what you think of TMM! It sounds like you have a pretty towny read on him but would still be comfortable voting for him if it came to that?? like, you say you find him unlikely to be scum, but you find asiina towny because you find her case genuine. so then... maybe both of them could be town? but still, the TMM vote is "good enough" for D1?? I just don't get it! And bif replies with: Bifauxnen posted:you just described it perfectly so why are you acting so loving confused Now, here's the really interesting thing. If you go back and look at bifs posts after the vote, you get this: Bifauxnen posted:yeah well you read bad and these: Bifauxnen posted:btw if anyone doesn't know what an Australianism like "sussing out" means, it's ok to admit it and ask for a translation jsyk Bifauxnen posted:also lol at the idea of me giving a poo poo about clean hands Bifauxnen posted:it feels like scum bullshit, like he's already made up his mind he's going to read everything in the most unfavourable way possible to create a case, and transform a note for later into a whole narrative about chain lunches. But, then you get this: Bifauxnen posted:I don't see what's hard to follow Now can anyone spot the problem with this post?
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 14:20 |
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I'm about to head out to work, so I'll see if people can spot the problem with that bif post.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 14:21 |
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TMMadman posted:And from that point, bif seems to turn it more into a conversation about semantics than about alignment calls. I "turned it into" a discussion about semantics because BK literally called it weird for me to have used the words I did. I'll be looking forward to seeing his reaction to Asiina herself calling my description of her accurate. TMMadman posted:Now come on, who is seriously going to look at that Bif post and blame BK for putting dropping a vote there? BK didn't just drop a vote. He called my post "setting up your basically-a-chain-Lynch". He is pushing a whole lot of projected meaning into me going "hmm, I gotta remember this thing here just in case"
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 14:23 |
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TMMadman posted:I'm about to head out to work, so I'll see if people can spot the problem with that bif post.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 14:23 |
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TMMadman posted:I'm about to head out to work, so I'll see if people can spot the problem with that bif post. The post is too long
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 14:23 |
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Cat story is amazing
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 14:25 |
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Alright then, tell me where in those posts that Bif told BK what she thinks of me?
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 14:26 |
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IcePhoenix posted:o before e Wow I mean you can do what I do and just ignore them But overjustifying votes is definitely a thing scum do
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 14:27 |
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TMMadman posted:Alright then, tell me where in those posts that Bif told BK what she thinks of me? uh here in my very first reply to BK Bifauxnen posted:I'm not convinced yet that it's worth a vote yet myself. While I see why TMM reads as weird to her, I also find it a bit unlikely that a scum would come out swinging that fast with such blatant gambler's fallacy nonsense to make themselves look that silly. If nothing else comes up though, it'd certainly be good enough for D1. you just quoted it
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 14:30 |