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TMMadman posted:Alright then, tell me where in those posts that Bif told BK what she thinks of me? I thought she said she didn’t really think much about you yet, but that she thought Asiina was casing in good faith even if she didn’t think it was a great case. I’m not 100% sure what you are driving at
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Bifauxnen posted:uh Completely disagree. That post is just sitting on the fence to give yourself options to vote.
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Oct 2, 2018 14:33
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sometimes I think Mafia isn't really about casing, it's about letting out all your aggression into punishing people for not interpreting reality the way you do
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Oct 2, 2018 14:36
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Bifauxnen posted:sometimes I think Mafia isn't really about casing, it's about letting out all your aggression into punishing people for not interpreting reality the way you do I mean, that works though It's terrible but it works
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Oct 2, 2018 14:38
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SolusLunes posted:I mean, that works though it did in Shine IV but not so much in Shine V 
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Oct 2, 2018 14:39
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Bifauxnen posted:sometimes I think Mafia isn't really about casing, it's about letting out all your aggression into punishing people for not interpreting reality the way you do I find its more trying to understand the reality someone is claiming they live in, and if it's genuine or if they're lying their butts off.
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Oct 2, 2018 14:40
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Also I'll go ahead and ##vote bif
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Oct 2, 2018 14:41
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IcePhoenix posted:o before e You're not going to like this: ##vote IcePhoenix I don't think I put much pressure on you, and I don't like this reaction to my comment.
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Oct 2, 2018 14:41
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" and then I just vote with a short justification and it's "IcePhoenix is clearly trying to start a bandwagon, scum???? :thunk" and then if I'm out of thread and see a case that's good and agree with it and vote on it it's "Oh is IcePhoenix bussing? SCUM????????!??!!??!?!?!?!
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The point of this is that you weren't even a topic of conversation until you made an argument with two people about yourself. Now when I've pointed it out, and Asiina made a +1, this has suddenly turned into a lot of aggro then I think is warranted?
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Oct 2, 2018 14:44
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TMMadman posted:Also I'll go ahead and ##vote bif I disagree that this post is TMM giving an opinion or vote on me. It is actually him scumclaiming. Can you believe how scummy that is?
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Oct 2, 2018 14:53
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I wanted to jump on IP because he was the third vote on me (or the 2nd vote if you don't count MMTs joke vote) and those votes always trigger me. It is possible he's scum, but I'm realky wondering if Hal is the scum vote on me.
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Oct 2, 2018 14:54
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Bif, the bottom line is that I feel like you are misrepresenting yourself.
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Oct 2, 2018 14:56
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TMMadman posted:I wanted to jump on IP because he was the third vote on me (or the 2nd vote if you don't count MMTs joke vote) and those votes always trigger me. But what if we are all town thinking you are scummy? IPs vote is probably the worst of the votes I suppose but you haven’t been coming across very townie this game
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Oct 2, 2018 15:19
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Max posted:You're not going to like this: You didn't individually but you are part of a collective and if you can't see that you must be an umpire/ref
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Oct 2, 2018 15:27
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IcePhoenix posted:You didn't individually but you are part of a collective and if you can't see that you must be an umpire/ref OK What do you think of the other cases?
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Oct 2, 2018 15:28
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I didn’t really see pressure on IP and I think his reaction is a bit ott in the circumstances.
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Oct 2, 2018 15:32
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Max posted:OK I don't like that bif has hedged so much, but the rest of it is a lot of arguing back and forth that will be more relevant after we see a flip or two, IMO. Despite that, I still feel that TMM is the better vote.
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Oct 2, 2018 15:35
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Asphyxious posted:I didn’t really see pressure on IP and I think his reaction is a bit ott in the circumstances. Yes. IcePhoenix posted:I don't like that bif has hedged so much, but the rest of it is a lot of arguing back and forth that will be more relevant after we see a flip or two, IMO. Could you expand on why you think TMM is a better vote?
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Oct 2, 2018 15:46
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Asphyxious posted:I didn’t really see pressure on IP and I think his reaction is a bit ott in the circumstances. IP does get voted up pretty early in the games I play with him, but it's only one vote. Probably not a reason to drop a 20 emote meltdown. IcePhoenix posted:I don't like that bif has hedged so much, but the rest of it is a lot of arguing back and forth that will be more relevant after we see a flip or two, IMO. This feels slightly more townie than scum response to me, but it's still noncommittal enough that I have to wonder. IcePhoenix posted:You didn't individually but you are part of a collective and if you can't see that you must be an umpire/ref Asiina and Max often agree on things during mafia games. I don't think what they did here with you was scum trying to make a push. You had an ok vote on TMM with decent enough reasons but you came back and defended your vote with a less than great justification.
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Oct 2, 2018 15:56
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Oct 2, 2018 15:56
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IllegallySober posted:Sorry, I think I’ve checked in with a post or two here but have had limited time today and a deadline in another time. I should be able to post more here late this evening and tomorrow as well. Hoping the second part of this post will come true.
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Oct 2, 2018 15:58
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Mr. Humalong posted:Asiina and Max often agree on things during mafia games. I don't think what they did here with you was scum trying to make a push. You had an ok vote on TMM with decent enough reasons but you came back and defended your vote with a less than great justification. You're missing bif's involvement, friend
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Oct 2, 2018 16:06
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My problem with BK's vote, which he just continues afterwards is that it's too many reasons. It's "look at how many scummy things Bif has done" in a short period of time, and how every part of every post after that is an example of her scumminess. It doesn't read as someone trying to determine someone else's alignment. It reads as someone who has decided their alignment and is making a case up after the fact. Like it's the kind of case I think a cop would make on someone they copped as scum but they don't want to reveal.
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Oct 2, 2018 16:12
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Also IP getting mad at the softest of soft pressure I think is scummy. I'm hesitant on that read though, because if it's genuine "tired of being cased early as town" emotions then he's only going to dig this hole deeper the more it's brought up and the more he makes it about himself, and I can easily see it turning into a mislynch later in the day as scum find ways to pile on. I have no meta knowledge of IP getting cased early to fall back on here, so I'm going to default to believing people's emotions are real, since that's always a good default, and mafia dad a little by saying if you want pressure taken off of you, then participate and look like you're making effort to case other people and people will be more likely to believe you when you say you're town. Focusing intently on someone going "hmm that's a little weird" will only ever make them look at you worse.
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Oct 2, 2018 16:17
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Asiina posted:My problem with BK's vote, which he just continues afterwards is that it's too many reasons. It's "look at how many scummy things Bif has done" in a short period of time, and how every part of every post after that is an example of her scumminess. Yeah I can see this. It’s a pretty big attack for a single post early in the game. I can’t recall if BK is normally so aggressive
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Oct 2, 2018 16:18
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This is why I'm pushing him to comment on other cases.
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Oct 2, 2018 16:18
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Asiina posted:My problem with BK's vote, which he just continues afterwards is that it's too many reasons. It's "look at how many scummy things Bif has done" in a short period of time, and how every part of every post after that is an example of her scumminess. I don't see this as true at all. Seriously, it sounds like you're complaining because BK has 3 reasons why he thought bif was worth a vote. BottleKnight posted:##vote bif 1. Hedgey post 2. Hiding behind others work 3. Setting up chain lunch And you're saying that's not good enough for a vote. I'm getting suspicious of you.
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Oct 2, 2018 16:24
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Yes, it's too much for a vote. It's early D1 and here comes beek with 3 reasons why Bif is definitely scum and then all the other posts are just more reasons she's scum and he's super confident in his vote.
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Oct 2, 2018 16:26
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##vote beek I'm feeling stronger about this now.
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sniper4625 posted:Get well soon Herocat. Lordy, no kidding! And on D1. Not that that's a bad thing by any means, mind you. To kinda pipe in with some actual slight content, thoughts so far: On Asiina/IP: I know we're a bit past it, but... with D1's being what they are, beyond all the joke posting and nonsense all you can really do is press a little and see what comes up. Why, look at all the conversation it ultimately led to! I can see the thought with regards to IP, but I just don't think I can see voting for IP for that alone - today, anyway. Definitely noted down and filed away thought. On the Bif/BK thing: ehhhhh. Put a gun or I guess a vote to my head... I'd have to lean a little more towards Bif(/voting for Beek, s'what I mean) but - and I say this and everything gelse without any outside knowledge on previous games or pre-read - it reads to me as perhaps a bit of an overzealous defense on re-reading the back and forth. More in a sec, I've got like four different tabs of the game open trying to catch up. On herocat: get well soon, brave friend! 
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Hmm, I really don't see TMM. I held off on making a super firm call to see if he came back and interacted. This feels like town TMM to me thus far.
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Oct 2, 2018 16:53
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I side with BK over Bif in that exchange. I think its possible Bif is scum this game. But I don't feel strongly enough about it to warrant a D1 vote. I'd hate to lose her early if she's town.
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Oct 2, 2018 16:55
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IP's reaction makes sense to me based on his recent game history. Also, he is posting a lot more than he has recently as scum in other games. I lean town. I don't fault anyone for going after him though, I see the issues others do.
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King Burgundy posted:IP's reaction makes sense to me based on his recent game history. Also, he is posting a lot more than he has recently as scum in other games. I lean town. I don't fault anyone for going after him though, I see the issues others do. Is there an almanac of player game history/posting habits somewhere, because I just realized that people could probably say anything they like on that front and those without the same length of experience would believe them unless it's called out by other old timers.
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sniper4625 posted:Is there an almanac of player game history/posting habits somewhere, because I just realized that people could probably say anything they like on that front and those without the same length of experience would believe them unless it's called out by other old timers. You can use votefinder to look at past games but otherwise you sort of have to rely on people calling stuff like that out.
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I'm super not feeling any of the active posters for today thus far. I think possibly scum are just hiding more among the less active folks. I have yet to feel MMT as towny this game. Could be her. Also have my eye on Sober and Solus. I have no experience with SS3D, so not sure what to think there yet.
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IcePhoenix posted:You can use votefinder to look at past games but otherwise you sort of have to rely on people calling stuff like that out. More specifically, you can go to https://votefinder.org/players and look up the specific player in question to see their games and who they played with/etc.
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sniper4625 posted:Is there an almanac of player game history/posting habits somewhere, because I just realized that people could probably say anything they like on that front and those without the same length of experience would believe them unless it's called out by other old timers. I don't like relying too much on meta when making calls. It's OK for like, day 1, but past that you can start putting meta by the wayside. It's possible for people to actively change things up and it does also exclude people who aren't really aware of it.
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sniper4625 posted:Is there an almanac of player game history/posting habits somewhere, because I just realized that people could probably say anything they like on that front and those without the same length of experience would believe them unless it's called out by other old timers. I would assume probably not. Always the danger for new timers, but I assume there'd be some leniency / understanding for not picking such up, naturally. Meta knowledge is what it is.
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