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One of the arguments is that it will be used as a weapon for "People who think wrong." The example given was somebody saying "Hey, this contributor is a horrible human and attacks transgenders on twitter." as a bad thing.
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Oh, now they are arguing that excluding transphobic people is not being tolerant of transphobic people. 
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ratbert90 posted:Oh, now they are arguing that excluding transphobic people is not being tolerant of transphobic people. I'm glad we've usurped gays as the scary out group of the era. makes us feel sooooo loving special
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ratbert90 posted:Oh, now they are arguing that excluding transphobic people is not being tolerant of transphobic people. have they brought up Karl Popper yet?
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Soricidus posted:[img-psyduck-exploding-into-more-psyducks] have u read beep's posts?
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esr and rms (lol) claim that people have the right under the gplv2 to make Linus remove every line of code they added if they get banned for violating the code of conduct because the license was written so that contributors still own the copyright to their code their new plan is to get as many people as possible to do this so Linus gives up on his sjw cabal lmao
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Sure they can. And Linus & Co can happily take the snapshot just before that and continue to work, that's also a right under the GPLv2. It's not retrospective.
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isn't greg kh the one who became a bitcoin core dev Luigi Thirty posted:esr and rms (lol) claim that people have the right under the gplv2 to make Linus remove every line of code they added if they get banned for violating the code of conduct because the license was written so that contributors still own the copyright to their code lmao that this is what got esr and rms to cooperate
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BobHoward posted:isn't greg kh the one who became a bitcoin core dev you're probably thinking of rusty russell or jeff garzik
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it's important to spread as much fud as possible. knitting together greg kh and bitcoin is a nice touch
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Luigi Thirty posted:esr and rms (lol) claim that people have the right under the gplv2 to make Linus remove every line of code they added if they get banned for violating the code of conduct because the license was written so that contributors still own the copyright to their code code is free as in speech and freely redistributable unless i get banned for being a shithead then its all mine and i will aggressively enforce my intellectual property rights
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BobHoward posted:isn't greg kh the one who became a bitcoin core dev it's esr's idea, rms was just like "well I guess the gpl says that but..."
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Luigi Thirty posted:esr and rms (lol) claim that people have the right under the gplv2 to make Linus remove every line of code they added if they get banned for violating the code of conduct because the license was written so that contributors still own the copyright to their code not that I like defending rms, but he's saying the opposite https://www.itwire.com/open-source/84683-linux-code-contributions-cannot-be-rescinded-stallman.html quote:Richard Stallman, the head of the Free Software Foundation and founder of the GNU Project, told iTWire in response to queries that contributors to a GPLv2-covered program could not ask for their code to be removed.
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BobHoward posted:isn't greg kh the one who became a bitcoin core dev nah youre thinking of greg maxwell, former multimedia engineer
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Greg KH is an extremely nice and good man who put up with Linus bullshit for a long time, privately trying to console people and fix the situation, and has been advocating for change behind the scenes for forever.
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Suspicious Dish posted:Greg KH is an extremely nice and good man who put up with Linus bullshit for a long time, privately trying to console people and fix the situation, and has been advocating for change behind the scenes for forever. aka a vile usurper and a tool of them akadajet posted:not that I like defending rms, but he's saying the opposite yeah, he said that people could remove poo poo from their code, but they couldn’t force people to remove code from gpl licensed software
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Suspicious Dish posted:Greg KH is an extremely nice and good man who put up with Linus bullshit for a long time, privately trying to console people and fix the situation, and has been advocating for change behind the scenes for forever. yeah no talking poo poo about gregkh
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Suspicious Dish posted:Greg KH is an extremely nice and good man who put up with Linus bullshit for a long time, privately trying to console people and fix the situation, and has been advocating for change behind the scenes for forever. thanks for the correction, that’s important to get right when i read the usurper thing I got the mistaken impression they were complaining about greg kh backing out a code of conduct thing from a repository or something like that and i was thinking, lol what if this is yet another confirmation of the venn diagram unity between bitcoiners and chud politics Tankakern posted:it's important to spread as much fud as possible. knitting together greg kh and bitcoin is a nice touch lmao if you think my opinions on Linux are motivated by anything other than love/hate: love for what it could be, hate for what it is both technically and socially thanks to the high concentration of people like linus running important projects. it is great that this whole linux kernel CoC thing happened, but i remain cautious about declaring the jubilee, both because of the pushback getting quoted itt and because torvalds still clearly doesn’t fully Get It. hope the shitstorm doesn’t prolong his already lengthy process of unlearning shitheaded beliefs. also it is absolutely true that there has been crossover between linux kernel devs and bitcoin devs, I just misremembered which ones. so idk why you think that’s fud. not that he’s likely to read this but apologies to Greg kh for my misunderstanding and misidentification!
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i am amazed that everything to do with selinux came out so utterly malevolently user-hostile entirely by accident. that takes a special talent for being absolutely loving poo poo at your job "oh just let the thing you're trying to do fail and then run this automagical tool that creates a 'type enforcement file' that then gets compiled into a 'module' that then gets compiled again into something called 'some loving bullshit that ends with .pp' and then run another tool that presumably loads that into the policy database and stores it gently caress knows where and hey maybe it'll persist after a reboot even who knows. also we have no idea what on earth this 'configuration management' thing you're talking about is and presumably just stand up all our servers by hand like knuckle dragging cavemen" gently caress offffffffffff Sapozhnik fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Oct 5, 2018 |
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eschaton posted:Darwin used a Lisp yeah and it's dead inside
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BobHoward posted:it is great that this whole linux kernel CoC thing happened, but i remain cautious about declaring the jubilee, both because of the pushback getting quoted itt and because torvalds still clearly doesn’t fully Get It. hope the shitstorm doesn’t prolong his already lengthy process of unlearning shitheaded beliefs. most of the "pushback" we are seeing has been driveby commentary from deadshit culture warriors like esr and other random idiots. if there's any real pushback from the kernel community then we'll see it at the maintainers summit in a few weeks (which linus is attending). they still need to work out how the CoC is going to be enforced and what the scope of it should be, but i'd be really surprised if there's any major concessions to the chuds. it's worth remembering that something like 90% of kernel contributors are paid to do it. being required to maintain a base level of professionalism when interacting with the community really isn't much of an imposition. Captain Foo posted:yeah and it's dead inside and outside
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travelling wave posted:most of the "pushback" we are seeing has been driveby commentary from deadshit culture warriors like esr and other random idiots. if there's any real pushback from the kernel community then we'll see it at the maintainers summit in a few weeks (which linus is attending). they still need to work out how the CoC is going to be enforced and what the scope of it should be, but i'd be really surprised if there's any major concessions to the chuds. it looks like the things being discussed by the actual maintainers are more on the level of "so how should the enforcement part work exactly" with pretty wide agreement with the goal itself an illustrative example is the first chud comment to this lwn article: 'Is "our community" solely the kernel developer community? Or do the users' concerns have some weight on this matter?'
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Sapozhnik posted:i am amazed that everything to do with selinux came out so utterly malevolently user-hostile entirely by accident. that takes a special talent for being absolutely loving poo poo at your job Have you considered using OpenBSD, the operating system that is secure by default?
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Luigi Thirty posted:Have you considered using OpenBSD, the operating system that is secure by default? OpenBSD is actually somewhat more user friendly today, and even has modern desktops like gnome and mate. It does lack some software i'm sure most folks would want, and it doesn't support vms. If you need a nice firewall or whatever it's a fine choice.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Have you considered using OpenBSD, the operating system that is secure by default? openbsd is a complete shitshow that lacks any MAC framework whatsoever it's less secure by default than windows for gently caress's sake
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Broken Machine posted:OpenBSD is actually somewhat more user friendly today, and even has modern desktops like gnome and mate. It does lack some software i'm sure most folks would want, and it doesn't support vms. If you need a nice firewall or whatever it's a fine choice. openbsd's firewall is single-threaded and they have no security story at all i'm sure it's "nice" if you don't care about security and you are ok with a firewall that will only handle 100 mbps
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that's the freebsd 11.x mac(4) man page you dingus freebsd and netbsd are considerably more up-to-date than openbsd quote:HISTORY freebsd 5.0 was officially released in 2003 openbsd is literally 15 years behind freebsd on a very basic security feature that proprietary UNIX has had since the early 1990s
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:that's the freebsd 11.x mac(4) man page you dingus if you felt like you needed it you could either run FreeBSD or just port it. OpenBSD decided to stay with discretionary access control for simplicity. it's a fine, well designed os. it's not appropriate for everything but yes it makes a nice firewall. you can run gigabit with it without issue.
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Broken Machine posted:if you felt like you needed it you could either run FreeBSD or just port it. i think that's a very good idea Broken Machine posted:OpenBSD decided to stay with discretionary access control for simplicity. it's a fine, well designed os. not even the government accepts discretionary access control "for simplicity." it's literally not good enough for government work Broken Machine posted:it's not appropriate for everything but yes it makes a nice firewall. you can run gigabit with it without issue. very 1990s edit: same with "you can run gigabit" lol Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Oct 6, 2018 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:freebsd and netbsd are considerably more up-to-date than openbsd and the latest NetBSD will still run on pretty much anything with a 68010 or better CPU, with performance close to BSD on that hardware when released!
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:openbsd may be a shitshow but holy poo poo is someone defending selinux itt I don’t think nBSD is defending SELinux, but defending MAC in general which is implemented in lots of systems including other BSDs
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