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lol at the sorry state of this thread where posters can't fathom the idea of being social with their coworkers and having a drink or two during or after work while also being respectful of people who don't drink
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lol at Blinkz0rz projecting
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Oct 3, 2018 22:37
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just my lived experience that I have seen good in-office beer drinking and I have never seen good in-office liquor drinking over in the drinking thread I mentioned wanting to get mezcal for my office so... I guess I want some things that have always been bad ime
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Oct 3, 2018 22:39
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Blinkz0rz posted:lol at the sorry state of this thread where posters can't fathom the idea of being social with their coworkers and having a drink or two during or after work while also being respectful of people who don't drink since i work at an office in minnesota we have a split of packers and vikings fans throughout the building. thankfully we are all brought together by laughing at tom brady and the new england patriots losing to the philadelphia eagles led by backup quarterback nick "big dick" foles no drinking necessary
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Oct 3, 2018 22:55
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if i posted a de-doxxed (censored? whatever) version of my resume later, would anyone here care to read it and tell me why i'm such a fuckup so far or is that really kind of a professional service never worked that out
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Oct 3, 2018 22:59
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applied for a position with a company that looked cool a few weeks ago, with whom I also had an inside referral. I had my first technical interview today and it went better than i expected it to go. i havent had an interview in a while, so i had been looking at sample sysadmin interview questions on github/reddit, and thank christ none of my questions were anything like the random fact recitations i mostly saw on there. will probably have two-three more interviews (it sounds like they will be with managers though and perhaps less technical, which felt a little surprising to me) and not getting ahead of myself just yet, but i kind of wish i started applying around sooner. post hole digger fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Oct 3, 2018 |
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Oct 3, 2018 23:03
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Ciaphas posted:if i posted a de-doxxed (censored? whatever) version of my resume later, would anyone here care to read it and tell me why i'm such a fuckup so far or is that really kind of a professional service i think posting resumes, even redacted ones, has historically been discouraged because of the ease of doxxing essentially post at your own risk 
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Oct 3, 2018 23:08
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anyone who wanted to hurt me could probably figure out who and where i am without any effort at this point probably true for 90% of posters itt that said, point taken, nevermind, i'll go without
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Oct 3, 2018 23:11
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Ciaphas posted:anyone who wanted to hurt me could probably figure out who and where i am without any effort at this point post your resume. let us help you get out of that helljob
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Oct 3, 2018 23:17
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Ciaphas posted:not yet, idk what makes a reputable recruiter vs one who's just going to add to my ever growing list of reasons to take a hammer to first my phone, then my head every good third-party recruiter will volunteer the company they're trying to place for and will only apply you for positions you're qualified for (this last one seems obvious but plenty of recruiters are, in fact, that bad)
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Oct 4, 2018 00:01
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raminasi posted:every good third-party recruiter will volunteer the company they're trying to place for and will only apply you for positions you're qualified for (this last one seems obvious but plenty of recruiters are, in fact, that bad) how do i know which ones 'will' do that without taking a chance on one, is my question
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Ciaphas posted:how do i know which ones 'will' do that without taking a chance on one, is my question What are you afraid of happening with a bad recruiter? What's the scenario where you find out a recruiter is bad that is preventing you from even trying? If they gently caress up, you can tell them you're done, or block the number and ghost them. Don't sign anything, that's a scam.
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what is common etiquette for sending an email after an interview as a thank you? Is that considered old fashioned or too pestery now?
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my bitter bi rival posted:what is common etiquette for sending an email after an interview as a thank you? Is that considered old fashioned or too pestery now? It's fine, polite even, if a tiny bit old fashioned. just keep it to like 1 or 2 sentences and don't hold your breath waiting on a response.
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Ciaphas posted:anyone who wanted to hurt me could probably figure out who and where i am without any effort at this point god 20 bootcamp grads do it daily in the gray forums version, you can probably redact your own info if you're legit concerned (idk anything about clearances) feel free to PM me or send it on slack
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my bitter bi rival posted:what is common etiquette for sending an email after an interview as a thank you? Is that considered old fashioned or too pestery now? It won't affect their decision eitherway, so hog wild.
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Oct 4, 2018 02:06
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Lord Stimperor posted:Regarding drinks at the workplace -- I think if I saw that my first reaction would be to suspect a super toxic working environment. whats with all the capitalization? are you a fuckin narc, bro? if youre a cop you have to tell me
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EVGA Longoria posted:What are you afraid of happening with a bad recruiter? What's the scenario where you find out a recruiter is bad that is preventing you from even trying? i guess if that's all i need to know, then... nothing!  I'll check around.Speaking of checking around, fair enough, here, feel free to make fun of my resume (or give feedback) (e) though i'll say in advance I have no idea why it's scrunched up to the top like that in the goog view, the first page is much more fully spaced out in libre or why the pagination is wrong (or rather why i put in pagination for a 2pg doc in the first place lmao) Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Oct 4, 2018 |
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Oct 4, 2018 04:50
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the first line in your resume is extremely likely to be interpreted as bitching about your current management not giving your team enough resources. that's a bad look from the perspective of the manager doing the hiring.
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Oct 4, 2018 05:06
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oops. yep i can see that. i came at that line from the 'go getter addaptable to adversity like tight customer schedules or the whole no internet at desk thing but uh, drat 
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I wouldn’t interpret it that way, but that might be because my company’s all-hands heavily featured the sentence “do more with what you have” Ciaphas mention the not-using-the-Internet stuff. I know it’s normal for you, but working that way is such a tremendous handicap that any job requiring that will be pumped that you can do it, and any job not requiring that will be floored that it’s even a thing. you can phrase it as “without access to online resources” or something maybe? Your skills section has stuff that should be in your experience section. usually the skills part should be languages, frameworks, etc. don’t mention how long you have with it (that becomes obvious in the work experience part), just say “c/c++ application development, lua, git, etc etc”. the skills part is basically a list of stuff that you can do professionally. you can mention hobby stuff too, but make it very clear that hobby stuff is hobby-level, not professional level. of course if you do eg rust as a hobby but have professional-level ability, it’s ok to put that as a proficiency. do note that I’m telling you basically how to make your resume look more like mine. but my resume tends to be well received and the professional resume-whisperers I’ve showed it to at cons and stuff have basically said “it’s awesome don’t change it.” but if this sounds wrong for the jobs you’re applying to, you probably know your market much better than I do  if you want to chat about resume stuff (or have a look at what I have), I’m happy to share with ya - dm me or w/e
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Ciaphas posted:(e) though i'll say in advance I have no idea why it's scrunched up to the top like that in the goog view, the first page is much more fully spaced out in libre I was convinced for a while that I wasn't getting responses because my resume I laid out so nicely in LibreOffice looked like absolute poo poo when viewed in Word. Started printing to PDF and eventually switched to LaTeX and finally got some interviews. (It was probably a coincidence or just bad content.)
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- your resume isn't pretty to look at. nested bullet lists, no formatting... at least bold the headers or something - agreed about the skills section. also at least for me "C/C++" is a red flag. it doesn't even look like you wrote any C at your job? - it's fine that you worked at the same company for 10 years, but is stuff like "wrote utility scripts to support customer operations" the most exciting thing you can write about it? it's also helpful to include the results of your work rather than just the work itself - for your internship, you have 3 bullet points that contain 1 thing you did. and that one thing you end with "etc." this is a resume, your work experience is not something you should yadda yadda over - i'd also probably remove the training section but idk
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Oct 4, 2018 13:59
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If you've worked one place for 10 years then this should be the primary focus of the resume, but yet you haven't dedicated much space to it.
Overall though, it's not the worst resume I've seen (like some people actually rely indeed to format theirs), but it's still very bleh. See if your friends have their resumes published and look at them, then try to figure out what they are doing right that you aren't. I'm sure there's more that can be done, but those are the things that stood out the most for me qhat fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Oct 4, 2018 |
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Oct 4, 2018 16:47
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someone has already said it in some other phrasing, but there's a lot of discussion of _what_ you did but not the impact, complexity, challenge, level of success, nature of the responsibility, etc. it's good to be able to describe just nuts and bolts, but it seems like there would be some sorts of more narrative descriptions of what you did. I'm not encouraging you to weave your resume into a saga, but at least try to tell a little fragment of a story here and there.
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thanks for all the feedback it frankly sounds like a rewrite is in order so I’ll sit down and have a second go this weekend it’s kind of hard to mix in details without risking crossing the classification line (despite hating helljob I do take that seriously) but I’ll work on adding some pizazz y’all mentioned impact of my work though and that is something I’ve never thought about, mostly because I did it because that’s what needed to be done for the mission to succeed, as it were? touting that as something incredibly special never felt right, which is why I didn’t. (not really arguing, just telling my view)
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Oct 4, 2018 21:55
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Ciaphas posted:y’all mentioned impact of my work though and that is something I’ve never thought about, mostly because I did it because that’s what needed to be done for the mission to succeed, as it were? touting that as something incredibly special never felt right, which is why I didn’t. (not really arguing, just telling my view) That's because you currently work there. It's special to be someone who consistently does not blow projects to hell and understands the impact of the work they do.
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Oct 4, 2018 23:45
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I will never stop stanning for Triplebyte they got me many interviews and now do more than literally just San Francisco so if you want a recruiter give them a shot it might suck rear end or it might be really good
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qhat posted:That's because you currently work there. It's special to be someone who consistently does not blow projects to hell and understands the impact of the work they do. fair point i'm still going to have difficulties teasing out a useful way to state my impact without running afoul of the law though, i'm sorry i keep harping on that but Bloody posted:I will never stop stanning for Triplebyte they got me many interviews and now do more than literally just San Francisco so if you want a recruiter give them a shot it might suck rear end or it might be really good thanks, i'll open a tab. lmk if you want me to put in some referral info or anything, i have to redo the resume this weekend first so it'll be a bit
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Oct 5, 2018 03:38
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Yeah it sucks working for a secret org. I had a similar problem about 6 years ago and it's also one of the major reasons I left that world. That being said, there's always unclassified things you can say that will at least get your foot in the door. It's also just all bullshit anyway to make the shortlist, just improving the style of your resume will likely improve your chances significantly.
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Oct 5, 2018 07:40
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yeah even aside from impacts you can talk about responsibilities in a vague but conversational way: "i was a senior member of a team delivering a high impact project developed primarily in c++ over the course of 18 months. i participated in project planning, code reviews and was involved in mentoring junior developers. i was the lead developer responsible for a sub-project embedding lua integrations to allow end users to..." slipping in anything that covers these points makes you more interesting: automated testing performance/security testing ci/cd build pipeline stuff code reviews mentoring aglie workflows involvement in planning/grooming/etc. stakeholder management presenting outside of your team taking (or being involved in) technical architectural decisions any responsibilities beyond writing code to spec
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Destroyenator posted:involvement in planning/grooming/etc. can confirm i routinely eat insects picked from coworkers' fur op
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Oct 5, 2018 20:45
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might not make it at my #1 because I bombed an OO design question
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Ploft-shell crab posted:might not make it at my #1 because I bombed an OO design question 
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my company just opened up a position for head of IT infrastructure. it would be the perfect way to get out of the javascript code mines and out from underneath my current "meh" boss and move to working on cool tech under a kick rear end boss. I already reached out to the guy asking if he'd consider me for the position. I haven't heard back though and now I'm second guessing myself and wondering if they don't want me in that job and that's why they opened it up publicly and oh man maybe I don't have the experience they want I'm a terrible failure aaaaaaag 
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oooookay, as promised i just finished spending a few hours on resume and i think it's a lot better but i could use feedback on a couple things - i have no idea how to "jazz" it up further or what, my sense of style has abandoned me. i wonder if a bit of blue on key phrases would be good or something? - That second page is loving dire, should I just delete it or just trim down to one page (what should i wipe out in this case) - other feedback? there were a couple more things i wanted to slip in but couldn't really justify their presence, namely that i've got instincts like whoa for memory problems and debugging in general, but i guess i can bring those up at interviews instead Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Oct 7, 2018 |
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your language is bad “hired to assist...” is lame “rewrote legacy ADA95 application in C++ as part of an 8-10 person team” conveys the same information, except it says you did stuff. your version says they hired you to get coffee, and you may or may not have done that basically all your work experience reads like this. don’t lie or mislead, but don’t shy away from being like “yo I did a hard thing and did it well”
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that resume looks a hundred times more impressive, great job man i dont have any experience in the c/c# domain but i feel like you're conveying a lot better now
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corlas right - I stand by my rec re: language but v2 is way better than v1
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You've wasted a lot of white space at the top on your address. Shove it on to one line, or better yet, remove it entirely. They only really care about your email and phone number. It looks like you could definitely get this cleanly onto one page, rather than one and a quarter awkward pages.
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