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President Beep posted:woah. they make their own batteries. is that necessary?
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President Beep posted:no matter the reason, it sounds like they were trying to get out but couldn’t. i hope it was the door design—at least then their deaths will help expose this truly stupid setup. hi folks, it's your old pal stymie here with a little tip: don't project your desires onto the deaths of others, particularly over something as petty as a car company doing stuff you disagree with it's a really lovely thing to do and nobody will appreciate it, especially the families of the deceased
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Oct 7, 2018 03:57
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Stymie posted:hi folks, it's your old pal stymie here with a little tip: don't project your desires onto the deaths of others, particularly over something as petty as a car company doing stuff you disagree with get a load of this internet tough guy
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Oct 7, 2018 03:58
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thank you for sharing your thoughts, stymie.
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Oct 7, 2018 04:03
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muckswirler posted:the a8l is a baller rear end ride. just drove an X2 M-sport today with the best sounding H/K system I've ever heard in a stock car tho so maybe things are getting better. you don’t drive an A8L like a Maybach or a Rolls, you’re driven in one
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Oct 7, 2018 04:06
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Stymie posted:hi folks, it's your old pal stymie here with a little tip: don't project your desires onto the deaths of others, particularly over something as petty as a car company doing stuff you disagree with Agreed, don't project the desire to exit a burning car on people who die in burning cars.
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Oct 7, 2018 04:13
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:ok and so my question is why that instead of eg 100 200Ah cells. I’m sure there’s a reason I just kinda hope it’s not “well 18650s were cheapest on alibaba” it's because they were cheap and readily available. every other car manufacturer is using prismatic batteries made of cells which are flat and wide rectangles because arrays thousands of small cylinders is perhaps the absolute worst shape possible for an EV battery. the prismatic cells fit together more tightly, have less space wasted on thousands of thin cell containers, and are easier to cool.
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Oct 7, 2018 04:19
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fishmech posted:Agreed, don't project the desire to exit a burning car on people who die in burning cars. fishmech, i know you enjoy being obtuse and all but the point here is that is their deaths are tragic and to wish for them to be used as a means to advance one's pet grudges is ghoulish at best
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Oct 7, 2018 05:00
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Stymie posted:fishmech, i know you enjoy being obtuse and all but the point here is that is their deaths are tragic and to wish for them to be used as a means to advance one's pet grudges is ghoulish at best agreed the pro-escaping-from-fire lobby is selfishly advancing their grudges against the very cool and good concept of not escaping
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Oct 7, 2018 05:25
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fishmech posted:agreed the pro-escaping-from-fire lobby is selfishly advancing their grudges against the very cool and good concept of not escaping okay cool, you've established you're okay with being a ghoul, so noted as aforementioned, i'd suggest not sharing this with the loved ones of the deceased, they may be less charitable in their reactions
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Oct 7, 2018 05:28
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Peeny Cheez posted:Ah, now that makes sense. Emulating his idol. telsa doesn't have a production bottleneck so much as a refractory period Stymie posted:hi folks, it's your old pal stymie here with a little tip: don't project your desires onto the deaths of others, particularly over something as petty as a car company doing stuff you disagree with thank u for being the conscience of yospos, stymie
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Oct 7, 2018 05:34
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Shifty Pony posted:it's because they were cheap and readily available. proving once again that doing something well isn’t nearly as good as doing it badly with good marketing
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Oct 7, 2018 06:32
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Doesn’t Elon kind of have a point about shorts tho? If they started spreading materially false and damaging claims about a car co there’d be nothing it could do. There’s no legal recourse for that 
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Oct 7, 2018 06:33
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:proving once again that doing something well isn’t nearly as good as doing it badly with good marketing they did it because it was relatively cheap and also actually possible for them to do rather than spinning up their own battery manufacturing from scratch for the first gen roadster and model s. why they stuck with it is another matter, but probably because they already had charge controllers, cooling, and firmware that worked with a metric assload of cells
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Oct 7, 2018 06:41
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infernal machines posted:they did it because it was relatively cheap and also actually possible for them to do rather than spinning up their own battery manufacturing from scratch for the first gen roadster and model s. why they stuck with it is another matter, but probably because they already had charge controllers, cooling, and firmware that worked with a metric assload of cells yeah. they didn’t have the resources to do it well so they did it badly. marketing more than made up the difference anyway
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they did it fine tho? like, their products had better range than any other ev on the market for a couple years. they just needed to move on from that rather than hope that their early advantage would hold
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Oct 7, 2018 06:52
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ok so now it’s a good thing to run an ev on ecig batteries. I’m getting confused
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Oct 7, 2018 06:54
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it's fine? like, it's not specifically bad because it worked out well for them and the reasons they did it initially made sense. now, probably they should have made a more efficient design, since they paid panasonic to run their huge battery factory and all. presumably they haven't because they've spent more time making stupid new car designs using what they know, instead of optimizing the existing ones.
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Oct 7, 2018 06:58
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infernal machines posted:it's fine? like, it's not specifically bad because it worked out well for them and the reasons they did it initially made sense. why am I serious posting about car batteries. what is wrong with me ok, so using ecig batteries is acceptable but not how the grownup auto manufacturers do it. answers me well enough I think
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Oct 7, 2018 07:19
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if you have safety concerns based on some eastern european dumbasses nuking random vape cells, keep in mind any other li-ion cell would do pretty much the same thing in those conditions
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I assumed that even Tesla would use their ecig batteries within spec, with appropriate control electronics, and from a decent supplier
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surprisingly, that appears to be the case they're just kinda hosed because everyone else is now on their game and making cheaper, smaller, more efficient cell layouts
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Oct 7, 2018 07:39
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yeah it’s not really the kind of area where you can maintain a lead without being one of the top companies on the planet for that technology like it’s one of the few reasonable basics taught in business school, if it’s not your core competency either make it so or outsource the gently caress out of it and Tesla are idiots for thinking batteries are their core competency (they could have made electric drivetrains their core competency and come out way ahead, possibly even with a high end boutique offering of their own, but they did not and LOL)
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Oct 7, 2018 07:50
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their whole shtick appears to be the hubris to believe that they're the absolute masters of vertical integration, despite all evidence to the contrary
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President Beep posted:no matter the reason, it sounds like they were trying to get out but couldn’t. i hope it was the door design—at least then their deaths will help expose this truly stupid setup. As much as Stymie is a horrible bag of gas that produces bad posts. I do agree that hoping these kids died a certain way is pretty awful. Compare: "boy I sure hope it was an assault rifle that killed all those kids so that maybe there will be an assault rifle ban because of their deaths" bad example, it won't happen because America is irrepairably broken but that's beside the point
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Oct 7, 2018 08:03
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got a lol most hearty out of the idea of a sentient fartcloud typing words on forums.somethingawful.com
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Oct 7, 2018 08:19
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eschaton posted:like a Maybach or a Rolls, you’re driven in one i'm pulled behind four in a global 7500. it's a quadriga chariot situation.
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Ciaphas posted:got a lol most hearty out of the idea of a sentient fartcloud typing words on forums.somethingawful.com I enjoy ur posts all the same 
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Bulgakov posted:I enjoy ur posts all the same 
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Ciaphas posted:got a lol most hearty out of the idea of a sentient fartcloud typing words on forums.somethingawful.com gas op ban thread
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infernal machines posted:if you have safety concerns based on some eastern european dumbasses nuking random vape cells, keep in mind any other li-ion cell would do pretty much the same thing in those conditions I was trying to find the installation requirements for the use of lithium batteries in passenger aircraft. I think they were rather spicy compared to teslas "cram a few thousand in the chassis" approach. Combat Theory fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Oct 7, 2018 |
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spankmeister posted:As much as Stymie is a horrible bag of gas that produces bad posts. I do agree that hoping these kids died a certain way is pretty awful. yeah, in hindsight i do agree. that was a lovely thing i said. stymie was right in their stymie way.
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Tesla Thread: Stymie was Right
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mrmcd posted:SOMEWHERE ATOP THE GLITTERING SPIRE OF THE NYT BUILDING this post didn’t get enough love imo
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Oct 7, 2018 14:32
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FrozenVent posted:this post didn’t get enough love imo I mean: neither did you. But on the other hand, who can really fault your poor mother?
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Oct 7, 2018 14:38
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infernal machines posted:it's fine? like, it's not specifically bad because it worked out well for them and the reasons they did it initially made sense. right. the gigafactory or whatever should be making flat cells and tesla should have redesigned their battery packs at that point. the thing is Tesla is loving amazing at the cell matching you have to do in order to make a big array of 80 100-cell bandoliers work. nobody else is anywhere close to being able to pull it off at the scale Tesla is doing. unfortunately for Tesla while the other manufacturers aren't as good at cell matching, they are extremely good at recognizing manufacturing obstacles and designing things to address those obstacles. they just built packs that don't need exact cell matching. as an aside - you know (or should know) that you've really hosed up when BMW and VW's solutions are simpler and easier to put together.
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Stymie posted:okay cool, you've established you're okay with being a ghoul, so noted Truly only ghouls think people burning to death don't want to burn to death. You've cracked the case. I'll be sure to not inform the families that you claim are pro being burned to death.
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Oct 7, 2018 15:48
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whoever wins, we all lose
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huh, cracks showing in the eternal stymie/fishmech/shaggar mutual non-aggression pact
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