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Attitude Indicator posted:But I agree with the DNA bomb stuff. "Oh, I just removed the macguffin threat 30 minutes ago off-screen. Whatever." You could argue they tacitly covered that, by having Graham not ask every five minutes when the bombs were going to go off, after she made her sonic.
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Wolfechu posted:You could argue they tacitly covered that, by having Graham not ask every five minutes when the bombs were going to go off, after she made her sonic. Also from the way you didn't see anyone's collarbones flashing later.
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Dabir posted:the cranes were there because the guy the alien was hunting was a crane operator, did that somehow escape you Wolfechu posted:You could argue they tacitly covered that, by having Graham not ask every five minutes when the bombs were going to go off, after she made her sonic.
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Oct 8, 2018 20:32
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Ryan having daddy issues and Grace getting killed off raised my eyebrows, but it is nice to see such a diverse group getting the spotlight.
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Oct 8, 2018 20:35
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Tiggum posted:It really felt like there was a scene missing where the Doctor actually transferred the bombs. I think maybe they wanted to have the solution be a surprise to the audience, but it really shouldn't have been because it would have worked a lot better if it had been properly set up. I'm thinking they probably just had to cut some things for time since the episode was already a bit longer than usual. Anyway, the Doctor turning the enemy's weapons/advantages against them is a long-running staple of the series.
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Oct 8, 2018 20:38
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I love it when Doctor Who introduces a villain that's creepy (wears his victims teeth in his loving face) but isn't afraid to lighten the mood up a bit at its expense (...Tim Shaw??)
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Oct 8, 2018 20:48
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BioEnchanted posted:A joke from an episode that's not well liked that I liked was the Sandman one with the door that the drunken workers had reprogrammed to only open if you sing "Sandman" at it because they thought it was funny. The problem is that the episode is playing the joke on us! We've heard the song so many times by the end of that episode, we never want to hear it again.
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AndyElusive posted:I love it when Doctor Who introduces a villain that's creepy (wears his victims teeth in his loving face) but isn't afraid to lighten the mood up a bit at its expense (...Tim Shaw??) Actually naming them "Tim Shaw" in the credits roll is the icing on the cake.
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Oct 8, 2018 20:50
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I meant to repost this before the episode aired, but now is good too. Jodie is the Doctor. Peter... I let you go.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZW5tWXvn7A
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The_Doctor posted:I meant to repost this before the episode aired, but now is good too. I've watched this video probably 12 times since it was posted. 
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Oct 8, 2018 20:55
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Yeah, whatever issues this episode had (and I only think there were a few), Jodie Whitaker is very definitely the Doctor. I hope she does at least four years of it, and maybe more.
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Tiggum posted:It really felt like there was a scene missing where the Doctor actually transferred the bombs. I think maybe they wanted to have the solution be a surprise to the audience, but it really shouldn't have been because it would have worked a lot better if it had been properly set up. Yeah, that came back to me today. It was, as shown, a complete arse-pull. It's a structural thing though. Part of the episode's tension came from the DNA bomb threat. If they'd had a scene where they got rid of or otherwise diabled them on-screen, the characters lose that threat hanging over them and also some of the explanation as to why they're hanging around this massively dangerous situation (except The Doctor of course). But by not setting up that something's been done with the DNA bombs, you keep that tension which helps drive the story forward at the cost of another deus ex machina ending. I'm not sure how to work resolve that without cutting the DNA bomb plot point entirely. 
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The_Doctor posted:I meant to repost this before the episode aired, but now is good too. This is a great video. I still can't even imagine what it was like for Capaldi, a huge Doctor Who fan, to be the Doctor for so long.
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Stabbatical posted:Yeah, that came back to me today. It was, as shown, a complete arse-pull. It's a structural thing though. That isn't a Deus ex machina. They asked about the bombs after she made the sonic, and she said "give me nine minutes". Furthermore, their collarbones weren't glowing afterwards. It was a reveal that the Doctor had done something off screen, which is not in any way unusual. Showing her removing the bombs would have defused much of the tension.
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Everyone else has already addressed the other points where you either missed or glossed over information that was actually delivered in the episode itself, so I'll just take this one that was left untouched:Entropic posted:Why was the victim frozen? Because cold is the baddie's gimmick for no reason. It wasn't "for no reason", dude himself explained that he comes from an insanely cold planet. His suit was a survival suit that just happened to have a side "benefit" of allowing him to deliver lethally cold temperatures to his victims. I mean, if you didn't like the episode, that's perfectly fine. It wasn't "Castrovalva" or "Spearhead from Space" by any means. But neither was it "The Twin Dilemma" or "Time and the Rani", either.
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Spatula City posted:That isn't a Deus ex machina. They asked about the bombs after she made the sonic, and she said "give me nine minutes". Furthermore, their collarbones weren't glowing afterwards. It was a reveal that the Doctor had done something off screen, which is not in any way unusual. Showing her removing the bombs would have defused much of the tension. She also explicitly says she can't remove them without 'the right technology', a little before cobbling together what's probably one of the most advanced pieces of technology on the planet and literally described as a Swiss army knife. It's not really a Deus Ex Machina, it's almost like a Chekhov's Gun. Once she has the sonic, it's not a case of 'how will they remove the bombs', it's when. And as someone said, removing them between scenes leaves the tension in the plot, but doesn't come out of nowhere. We also never saw the Doctor get her fried egg sandwich, but I'm sure as hell betting she did between defeating the villain being defeated and the funeral. I suppose if we saw the sandwich onscreen we'd be calling it a Deus Egg Machina. Right, I'll get my coat.
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Could be worse. Over in another forum they're complaining about the "unrealistic coincidence" of Yaz and Ryan knowing each other, his grandma being on the train that gets hit, and the Doctor happening to show up just in time to save them. I mean, do folks not know how stories work? "It's like somebody made this whole thing up, wrote a script and had people act it out!"
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And I don't know how small or insular Sheffield is, but that reads pretty right to me as someone who grew up in Adelaide. You get a city with only so many new people coming to it, everybody either knows each other or thinks they do.
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To be fair it's not an inherently bad point - some stories do coincidences much better than others. I'm not fussed about in this case though, as I come from a pretty small area where everyone knew pretty much everyone - by family name if nothing else.
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I used to live in a small city with a population only slightly larger than that of Sheffield (and way more spread out) and I'd bump into people I knew all the time, or something would happen and at least one person you knew was there or involved so it's really not outside the limits of possibility. That small size a city, you definitely get the feeling of knowing a good chunk of the populous, if not by name, by sight, and everyone else is only 1-2 degrees of separation away. The_Doctor fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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Cleretic posted:And I don't know how small or insular Sheffield is, but that reads pretty right to me as someone who grew up in Adelaide. You get a city with only so many new people coming to it, everybody either knows each other or thinks they do. It's a biggish city, probably in the top ten urban centers in England, but it's not somewhere where everyone's a stranger. You're not going to know everyone, but it's absolutely completely possible for two people working in the same neighborhood to know each other from school in the same area - and bear in mind they were kinda surprised to see each other, and clearly hadn't for years. I'd say that's something that'd happen anywhere in the world if you haven't moved across the country or something. I'm pretty sure it's happened to me on several occasions.
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Chibnall has a habit of writing things that don't survive more than 5 seconds of thinking about them. If brilliantly set up story arcs that go nowhere was Moffat's biggest flaw, and 'Oh poo poo now there's a bazillion Daleks!' was RTDs, I think strange poo poo that makes no sense is going to be Chibbies. So, The Power Ranger monster has to come hunt a specific human. Ok, cool. So he....projects a big button into the middle of some woods up a random hill in Sheffield? Which the guy just randomly goes 'ok yes I'm going to push that'? Why do they need permission to come hunt a dude? That's awfully polite for a monster with teeth in his face that wants to eat a crane driver. What if whatshisface hadn't pushed the button? Who becomes leader then? Was the button aimed to appear in front of someone? If so, why him? If not, why were they just projecting it into the middle of some woods? Were they just projecting that button into random parts of the world until someone hit something? Why does this button even exist? What happens if no-one pushes it? What then? You need to come to earth to get the crane guy to become leader. Does the society of teeth monsters just, stop? Is it like a US Government Shutdown? What happens to Welfare payments? Who's paying the Tooth Monster Police in that time? Literally nothing about that loving button makes any sense. He's done this before. Remember when the Silurian kidnapped a child, stuffed him in a stasis pod, started doing experiments on him, and then was all like 'I just wanted to learn' and 11 was all 'I really rather love you' and the episode just moved on like that guy wasn't a complete loving monster and that kidnapping children for experiments was a good thing to do and that his Mum was actually the real monster here? Or the fun adventure romp that started with Matt Smith gurning into the camera about Dinosaurs on a Spaceship and riding a Triceratops and Rory's dad coming prepared with a trowel that ended with 11 suddenly straight up blowing the poo poo out of Walder Frey with torpedos? I can't get over that stupid button. As best I can tell, it's literally there because someone typed 'Doctor Strange Spell After Effects Tutorial' into Youtube. Pastamania fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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Let's see what the general reaction on Gallifrey Base is…Sparacus posted:Apart from the casting I actually noticed less political correctness pushing in this episode than some of the series 10 stories. The Doctor even allowed her companions to break health and safety rules by climbing up a crane. oh.
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TinTower posted:oh. Unsubstantiated assertion!
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TinTower posted:Let's see what the general reaction on Gallifrey Base is… :samjohnson:
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TinTower posted:Let's see what the general reaction on Gallifrey Base is… The episode contained absolutely no Ben Chatham. 0/10
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Dabir posted:the cranes were there because the guy the alien was hunting was a crane operator, did that somehow escape you
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I thought it was pretty good but apparently if you watch it while going "wow this is pointless, are they going anywhere with this or what" at everything and ignoring the way they do go somewhere with it, it's the worst Doctor Who has ever been.
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Spatula City posted:That isn't a Deus ex machina. They asked about the bombs after she made the sonic, and she said "give me nine minutes". Furthermore, their collarbones weren't glowing afterwards. It was a reveal that the Doctor had done something off screen, which is not in any way unusual. Showing her removing the bombs would have defused much of the tension. Wolfechu posted:She also explicitly says she can't remove them without 'the right technology', a little before cobbling together what's probably one of the most advanced pieces of technology on the planet and literally described as a Swiss army knife. It's not really a Deus Ex Machina, it's almost like a Chekhov's Gun. Once she has the sonic, it's not a case of 'how will they remove the bombs', it's when. And as someone said, removing them between scenes leaves the tension in the plot, but doesn't come out of nowhere. Yeah, I had zero problem with it: the companions consistently asked,"Are you gonna do something about the bombs?" and she said,"Yes I will as soon as I do this one thing", then she did that one thing and from that point on not only do we not see their collarbones flashing, but none of the companions are asking about the bombs anymore. The reason it wasn't explicitly mentioned was so they could have the "AHA!" moment where Tim Shaw fucks up while maintaining some level of tension for the viewer. A bigger problem for me is that the DNA Bombs are supposedly there to prevent any witnesses to the scout, so it didn't make much sense that they were on trigger release instead of just instantly killing the witnesses. Even then, I'd assume that Tim Shaw wanted a few more potential bodies around to take teeth from rather than just disintegrating them, and that he intended to trigger the bombs AFTER he left Earth.
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Bruceski posted:Could be worse. Over in another forum they're complaining about the "unrealistic coincidence" of Yaz and Ryan knowing each other, his grandma being on the train that gets hit, and the Doctor happening to show up just in time to save them. What are the chances of anything in any given episode of Who actually happening? What an asinine complaint.
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AndyElusive posted:What are the chances of anything in any given episode of Who actually happening? I did get a blowjob from a paving slab last week.
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Pastamania posted:the button I'm not totally convinced the button has anything to do with Tim Shaw, who may have gotten "permission" elsewhere and Companion #1 just assumed the two were connected like, I wouldn't stake a bet on it, but "who ACTUALLY granted permission to gently caress with earth" smells like a Doctor Who seasonal mystery to me if someone else vaguely mentions "I was given permission to (do something horrible)" in a future episode I'm gonna act like I was more confident about this though not related to that, I'm laughing about the "unrealistic coincidence" thing what are the odds that Amy happened to be dating the nurse at the hospital where the monster was attacking in the first Matt Smith episode, huh, what an unrealistic coincidence I play tabletop games on Tuesdays IRL with two guys that work at the exact same pawn shop, and all three of us used to deal blackjack for the same casino; I have worked with the wife of one local cop, and am friends with the brother of a different local cop, what a series of unrealistic coincidences smaaaall toooowns Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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Lunatic Sledge posted:I'm not totally convinced the button has anything to do with Tim Shaw, who may have gotten "permission" elsewhere and Companion #1 just assumed the two were connected Yes. Do we need a huge flashing sign over this plot point with an arrow pointing down and the words BAD WOLF scrawled all over it? What are the odds that Chibnall of all people will be the one to drop the season arc from the show? The only surprise will be if they don't end up traveling back in time to conduct an investigation.
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Narsham posted:Yes. Do we need a huge flashing sign over this plot point with an arrow pointing down and the words BAD WOLF scrawled all over it? What are the odds that Chibnall of all people will be the one to drop the season arc from the show? The only surprise will be if they don't end up traveling back in time to conduct an investigation.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Haven't they explicitly said that each episode is a standalone, though? I interpret that as them saying there won't be any two parters or similar. There can still be a season arc even if all episodes are mainly standalones.
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They may have said no two-parters but as the cliffhanger indicated, that's not the same as no continuity.
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Overnights apparently have The Woman Who Fell To Earth as the highest rated season opener since Partners In Crime.
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