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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Randy Quaid was America's most successful film star. Then, he disappeared.
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Oct 7, 2018 00:54
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Hi is this the thread for reducation? I want to learn more about this stuff, particularly the history and context these things grew out of, but I’m essentially starting from scratch, unlearning my useless high school knowledge of history. In particular I’ve found the Revolutions podcast to be a great help, but that only makes it half way through the Mexican Revolution. I have essentially no historical knowledge of what went down in Russia and China so I only get the CSPAM swamp Maoist jokes through pattern recognition. I’d appreciate any recommended lay documentaries, podcasts, or things of that nature.
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Oct 7, 2018 01:36
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Kobayashi posted:Hi is this the thread for reducation? I want to learn more about this stuff, particularly the history and context these things grew out of, but I’m essentially starting from scratch, unlearning my useless high school knowledge of history. In particular I’ve found the Revolutions podcast to be a great help, but that only makes it half way through the Mexican Revolution. I have essentially no historical knowledge of what went down in Russia and China so I only get the CSPAM swamp Maoist jokes through pattern recognition. I’d appreciate any recommended lay documentaries, podcasts, or things of that nature.
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Oct 7, 2018 01:38
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actually turning this into a chinese history thread while continuing to mock the financial times would be good
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Oct 7, 2018 01:42
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Everything is hosed up and cool for thousands of years
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Oct 7, 2018 01:54
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:actually turning this into a chinese history thread while continuing to mock the financial times would be good 150 years ago some christians caused a rebellion in China that caused more death and displacement than the european theater of WWII but it didn't make it into western history books and has been erased from eastern ones oops
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Oct 7, 2018 02:55
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Kobayashi posted:Hi is this the thread for reducation? I want to learn more about this stuff, particularly the history and context these things grew out of, but I’m essentially starting from scratch, unlearning my useless high school knowledge of history. In particular I’ve found the Revolutions podcast to be a great help, but that only makes it half way through the Mexican Revolution. I have essentially no historical knowledge of what went down in Russia and China so I only get the CSPAM swamp Maoist jokes through pattern recognition. I’d appreciate any recommended lay documentaries, podcasts, or things of that nature. This is the revisionism thread
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Oct 7, 2018 04:28
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There should be a Chairman Mao (pbuh) thread where we acknowledge that he would have Xi put to death and have the entire capitalist class in the modern PRC re-exterminated. This is why we need him back more than ever.
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Oct 7, 2018 05:45
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:27 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Oct 7, 2018 06:17
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we need an American Mao ready to lead a classicide
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Oct 7, 2018 06:17
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sincx posted:everything's so hosed wow le epic trade war
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Oct 7, 2018 06:18
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Graphic posted:There should be a Chairman Mao (pbuh) thread where we acknowledge that he would have Xi put to death and have the entire capitalist class in the modern PRC re-exterminated. This is why we need him back more than ever. Mao's mistake was chickening out of the Cultural Revolution
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Oct 7, 2018 06:30
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sincx posted:everything's so hosed This is the five hundredth time this photo has been posted in cspam. Every time it becomes even more resonant and powerful
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Oct 7, 2018 07:48
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Graphic posted:There should be a Chairman Mao (pbuh) thread where we acknowledge that he would have Xi put to death and have the entire capitalist class in the modern PRC re-exterminated. This is why we need him back more than ever. Oh word?
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Oct 7, 2018 13:59
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gradenko_2000 posted:Mao's mistake was chickening out of the Cultural Revolution well he also didn't plan the project very precisely. so lets learn from those mistakes and try again! you can do it CCP! you can exterminate the capitalist classes if you just focus very very hard and read comrade Mao
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Oct 7, 2018 14:18
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Taintrunner posted:we need an American Mao ready to lead a classicide It's time comrades, to kill the bougioise and their cop pets
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Oct 7, 2018 17:34
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1048969325577682945
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Oct 7, 2018 19:11
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Oh word? yeah!
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Oct 7, 2018 20:54
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Graphic posted:There should be a Chairman Mao (pbuh) thread where we acknowledge that he would have Xi put to death and have the entire capitalist class in the modern PRC re-exterminated. This is why we need him back more than ever.
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Oct 8, 2018 02:06
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weird how people keep panicking over people getting allegedly "disappeared" and then it turns out they're still alive
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Oct 8, 2018 02:12
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The only good Interpol album was the first one
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Oct 8, 2018 04:09
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Algund Eenboom posted:The only good Interpol album was the first one They’re stuff recently has been fine.
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Oct 8, 2018 05:19
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bingbing so simple
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Oct 8, 2018 06:42
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gradenko_2000 posted:weird how people keep panicking over people getting allegedly "disappeared" and then it turns out they're still alive It's just luck that Saudi Arabia has set the bar for being truly awful at "murder and dismember a dude inside the embassy" (assuming that guy doesn't also turn up alive).
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Oct 8, 2018 08:24
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Modest Mao posted:150 years ago some christians caused a rebellion in China that caused more death and displacement than the european theater of WWII but it didn't make it into western history books and has been erased from eastern ones Is this true? Last I checked the CCP still clearly supported the Taiping, albeit less vigorously than they used to.
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Oct 8, 2018 14:53
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Kassad posted:It's just luck that Saudi Arabia has set the bar for being truly awful at "murder and dismember a dude inside the embassy" (assuming that guy doesn't also turn up alive).
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Oct 8, 2018 18:09
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P-Mack posted:Is this true? Last I checked the CCP still clearly supported the Taiping, albeit less vigorously than they used to. Yeah the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom didn't exactly disappear from history, it's just that nobody cares about it. It is interesting how the Taiping were so progressive in some ways that only revolutionary Christian psychopaths can be.
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Oct 8, 2018 19:41
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The taiping rebellion is probably the most pointless war in history which is amazing
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Oct 8, 2018 20:10
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Larry Parrish posted:The taiping rebellion is probably the most pointless war in history which is amazing nah, it was making the point that standardized tests being the major basis for career advancement is a lovely dumb system
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Oct 8, 2018 21:41
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Larry Parrish posted:The taiping rebellion is probably the most pointless war in history which is amazing An American saying this is amazing
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Oct 8, 2018 21:44
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Yeah the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom didn't exactly disappear from history, it's just that nobody cares about it. Well that’s because even heretical Chinese doomsday cults can see that Christ inherently wanted the overthrow of the rich and powerful.
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Oct 8, 2018 23:35
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Hong Xiuquan is histories greatest failson and I will not allow you to call the brother of Christ heretical
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Oct 8, 2018 23:39
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it is pretty funny that Americans can’t stop eating General Tso’s, when he was basically a mass murderer.
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Oct 9, 2018 01:08
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Larry Parrish posted:The taiping rebellion is probably the most pointless war in history which is amazing I get where this comes from- The Qing were a corrupt mess circling the drain before the war, and they were a corrupt mess circling the drain after the war, so it's easy to kind of pass over it, especially for a professor trying to teach all of Chinese history in 12 weeks. But there were serious and important reasons it happened (beyond Jesus's brother lol) and serious and important consequences (beyond the horrific death toll). Pener Kropoopkin posted:Yeah the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom didn't exactly disappear from history, it's just that nobody cares about it. Before the Cultural Revolution it was a bigger deal, since the standard history had it as the start of a connected wave of revolutionary people's movements, with the failed Taiping, the incomplete revolution of 1911, and finally the communist triumph of 1949. The focus was on the flaws of feudalism and the dysfunction of the Qing, and foreign intervention was treated as a mere consequence and symptom of internal ills. After Deng, shift towards a more generic nationalism, and the century of humiliation narrative plays up the role of the west. The Taiping can still be the "good guys" since the foreign meddlers ultimately sided with the Qing, but their proto-communism is no longer as useful to the narrative. Pener Kropoopkin posted:it is pretty funny that Americans can’t stop eating General Tso’s, when he was basically a mass murderer. I think this may actually be a bit political- the chef who first made it in Taiwan was catering a banquet for Chiang and other KMT bigwigs. Just as the Communists liked to identify as successors to the Taiping, the later KMT saw themselves as defenders of traditional order and Chinese civilization like Zuo Zongtang and Zeng Guofan.
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Oct 9, 2018 01:57
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:it is pretty funny that Americans can’t stop eating General Tso’s, when he was basically a mass murderer. Somewhere in China, a dude is chomping down some Oberstgruppenfuhrer Himmel's Bratwurst from a takeout place and nodding sagely
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Oct 9, 2018 01:58
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IIRC the important takeaway from the Taiping Rebellion was that the Qing bureaucracy was supplanted by the political power of the landed gentry, since they were the ones who had to martial the militia armies that defeated the Taiping. It's one of the earliest signs that China was fated for warlordism.
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Oct 9, 2018 02:11
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:IIRC the important takeaway from the Taiping Rebellion was that the Qing bureaucracy was supplanted by the political power of the landed gentry, since they were the ones who had to martial the militia armies that defeated the Taiping. It's one of the earliest signs that China was fated for warlordism. That was the standard interpretation but I think it is contested nowadays. It skips over a lot of reforms (successful and otherwise) and internal power shifts in the long decades separating Zeng Guofan and Yuan Shikai. It definitely killed off the pre-war military system though, everyone's in agreement on that.
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Oct 9, 2018 02:34
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https://twitter.com/ABSCBNNews/status/1049466978195390464
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Oct 9, 2018 03:17
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Serious question: I know nearly nothing about Chinese history, economics, and politics. Where's a good place to start reading about that stuff from Deng Xiaoping onwards?
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Oct 9, 2018 03:24
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https://www.amazon.com/Wealth-Power-Chinas-Twenty-first-Century/dp/0679643478 this is really readable
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