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Both Peter and Homer were raped by their wives as a "joke"
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Oct 11, 2018 15:24
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BrigadierSensible posted:You what?? I am going to need more info on this. I have not seen any of the Beethoven movies, but as far as I know the plot of them all is "Dog big, bad man tries take dog from nice family. He fails." Rinse repeat, and sometimes add smaller, but still big baby dogs. It was the 80s. Rape was either a punchline or an excuse for some gratuitous tit shots. Remember the date rape in 16 Candles? The near date rape in Back to the Future?
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Oct 11, 2018 15:46
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Megillah Gorilla posted:It was the 80s. Rape was either a punchline or an excuse for some gratuitous tit shots. 
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Oct 11, 2018 15:50
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marge raped homer so it evens out
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Oct 11, 2018 15:52
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datajugend posted:marge raped homer so it evens out 
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Oct 11, 2018 16:08
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That really weirded me out as a kid. "Hey, honey, who should we hire to detail our cars for us? How about that guy who tried to rape you at prom? That sounds like the man I want around you and our children."
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Oct 11, 2018 16:11
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Megillah Gorilla posted:That really weirded me out as a kid. You remember how he was at the end of the movie though, right? Clearly George continued to break him psychologically over the years. Forcing Biff to serve his family isn’t a gesture of goodwill, it’s an act of humiliation.
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Oct 11, 2018 16:20
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Krispy Wafer posted:I don’t think that beach house was built to code. Everyone seems pretty drat ok that they almost died though, pretty positive atmosphere at that party
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Oct 11, 2018 16:23
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Samuringa posted:Both Peter and Homer were raped by their wives as a "joke" Remember how there was a South Park episode where Indiana Jones is raped by Steven Spielberg and George Lucas? Remember how Star Wars fans outgrew that mindset in the intervening years? (The answers to these questions may or may not be the same.)
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Oct 11, 2018 16:25
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Does anyone remember a scene in Look who’s Talking where some dude is loving Bruce Willis’ mom while he’s still a fetus inside her and the dick is like poking him or something and it’s played off as a PG rated innocent laugh somehow? I swear to god I am not hosed up enough to have imagined this but I haven’t seen those movies since I was a kid, I think he might have even wrestled the dick Edit: oh god I think the dick might of been John Travoltas Aesop Poprock has a new favorite as of 16:31 on Oct 11, 2018 |
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Oct 11, 2018 16:28
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I think mainstream movies in the 80s had more sex scenes than they do now in general, regardless of how they're presented. The ones in Highlander or Terminator, for instance - I don't think you'd see something like that in a contemporary action blockbuster. Edit: That said, even when I was little, I always assumed that "old movies" (not even the sort of action movies or thrillers that got run on late night television; I mean, I had this idea as a child that Stanley Kubrick's Spartacus was going to be closer in tone to Tinto Brass's Caligula before I saw it) always had more sex and violence in them than anything I'd seen at the time. I'm not sure why I had that impression because I can't remember it ever being borne out. 
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Oct 11, 2018 16:31
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Huh. Looking at this makes me realize that Biff doesn’t have it all that bad at the end of the movie. He owns his own business! It brings to mind a lot of moments in movies in tv where someone is depicted as a loser for being stuck with a job that, nowadays, would be considered pretty decent. For example, I find it very hard to wrap my mind around how Homer’s job, which allows him to be a homeowner who supports his stay-at-home wife and three children, could be considered crappy. Apparently when the show came out it was though.
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Oct 11, 2018 17:09
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Ariong posted:Huh. Looking at this makes me realize that Biff doesn’t have it all that bad at the end of the movie. He owns his own business! Reminds me of all the times people point out that Al Bundy must have been a fantastic women's shoes salesmen, considering how much his house would have to actually be worth.
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Oct 11, 2018 17:17
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Aesop Poprock posted:What kind of poo poo rear end warlord has to outsource to kill his own sex slaves It's an initiation rite. If you kill them you become a member of his horde (which is completely pointless because you never see them again afterwards), if you fail to kill them the horde kills you.
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Oct 11, 2018 17:20
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Ariong posted:Huh. Looking at this makes me realize that Biff doesn’t have it all that bad at the end of the movie. He owns his own business! Seriously, if I could get a job that paid enough to let me own a house and support a family, while also apparently allowing me to be a colossal idiot who does nothing all day for decades, completely anonymous to the company's owner unless it's relevant for plot purposes.... That's a dream.
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Oct 11, 2018 17:23
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Homer gets paid a perfectly fine wage. He just blows it. That early episode with the RV revealed that Ned Flanders only makes slightly more money than Homer, but lives a much better lifestyle. That said I don’t think Homer had good health benefits. Something about dental plans.
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Oct 11, 2018 17:28
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think mainstream movies in the 80s had more sex scenes than they do now in general, regardless of how they're presented. 300 Alexander Troy Watchmen Also, Terminator was a low-budget thriller, not an action blockbuster.
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Oct 11, 2018 17:29
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Ariong posted:Huh. Looking at this makes me realize that Biff doesn’t have it all that bad at the end of the movie. He owns his own business! F R A N K G R I M E S D O T T X T
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Oct 11, 2018 17:30
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Toshimo posted:300 Fair enough, though all of those movies are about 10 years old or older now. I guess James Bond movies still do it.
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Oct 11, 2018 17:32
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Ariong posted:Huh. Looking at this makes me realize that Biff doesn’t have it all that bad at the end of the movie. He owns his own business! It's sort of like the comment I've mentioned before: 80s/90s movies painted working dads who couldn't be there all the time as garbage because they were so busy with work. Today, the dad who had a good enough job to be able to support his family, in addition to being able to support a full-time, at-home spouse, would be treated as a hero who is saving them all. Along those lines, a plot point that probably doesn't get brought up as much in recent years in sitcoms is the occasional "housewife vs. working husband", probably because if both parents aren't working in some capacity, this whole family's in deep poo poo.
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Oct 11, 2018 17:34
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Wheat Loaf posted:I guess James Bond movies still do it. Nope.
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Oct 11, 2018 17:36
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Ariong posted:Huh. Looking at this makes me realize that Biff doesn’t have it all that bad at the end of the movie. He owns his own business! It’s part of the weird time-dilation that defines The Simpsons, in that it was originally in part a critique of the previous generation’s sitcoms, where the dad was a white-collar success, competent, and reasonably sophisticated for the 50s-60s. That reference point has mostly moved out of living memory, or at least pop culture, so that if you say “you know, like Leave it to Beaver,” people generally don’t have firsthand experience with it or even know what the hell you’re talking about. Now, The Simpsons itself occupies that place in the culture, and even what was contemporary then is kind of alien, and a stay-at-home mom/suburban home/factory-worker dad are so weird people don’t know how to receive them.
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Oct 11, 2018 17:40
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Need Flanders made $20 more than Homer at one point. He did only have two kids instead of the 3 Homer has too. I don't think Maude had a job when she was alive so her death didn't really make a difference. I think of The Simpsons as a 90s period piece. The show just doesn't make sense in the modern age.
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Oct 11, 2018 17:43
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Detective No. 27 posted:I don't think Maude had a job when she was alive so her death didn't really make a difference. Childcare is a pretty big difference, but yeah
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Oct 11, 2018 17:47
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Detective No. 27 posted:I don't think Maude had a job when she was alive so her death didn't really make a difference. Wow, rude. But yes, increased child care costs for single parents are a thing.
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Oct 11, 2018 17:48
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BOOSness Hammocks posted:It’s part of the weird time-dilation that defines The Simpsons, in that it was originally in part a critique of the previous generation’s sitcoms, where the dad was a white-collar success, competent, and reasonably sophisticated for the 50s-60s. That reference point has mostly moved out of living memory, or at least pop culture, so that if you say “you know, like Leave it to Beaver,” people generally don’t have firsthand experience with it or even know what the hell you’re talking about. The lifestyle of one working parent pretty much died off in the early 90's. I think that it was sorta still kinda normal around the time The Simpsons started. I know my mom was a stay at home parent until probably about 1989, and then it was only part time to coincide with my brother's preschool/kindergarten. I remember that in the early 90's latchkey kids were apparently a huge problem for society because of reasons.
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Oct 11, 2018 18:13
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Toshimo posted:300 Half those movies were made by Zack Snyder and the most recent one on that list is almost a decade old. TV shows are where the gratuitous sex scenes went.
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Oct 11, 2018 18:28
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TV and movies have always had wonky depictions of economic class. Everybody lives in huge homes and has copious free time even if all the gags are about how poor they are. It's not because the standards of middle class success were vastly higher in 1989.
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Oct 11, 2018 18:46
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i dont think there ever was a time when nuclear technician was considered a crappy job e: fight club is a great example of this though. a man has a stable 9-5 job that pays enough to support his hobby of buying furniture he doesnt need and this is a bad thing because it's 'boring'? fuckers had no idea how good they had it Gum has a new favorite as of 19:16 on Oct 11, 2018 |
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Oct 11, 2018 18:55
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Gum posted:i dont think there ever was a time when nuclear technician was considered a crappy job Depends where. In the soviet union it wasnt considered a great job in 1986.
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Oct 11, 2018 19:04
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The Bloop posted:Childcare is a pretty big difference, but yeah Toshimo posted:Wow, rude. But yes, increased child care costs for single parents are a thing. I hadn't considered that. 
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Oct 11, 2018 19:08
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Megillah Gorilla posted:That really weirded me out as a kid. It's probably payback for her having an affair with that kid from school who looked just like "their" son.
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Oct 11, 2018 19:12
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Sunswipe posted:It's probably payback for her having an affair with that kid from school who looked just like "their" son. 
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Oct 11, 2018 19:16
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Gum posted:e: fight club is a great example of this though. a man has a stable 9-5 job that pays enough to support his hobby of buying furniture he doesnt need and this is a bad thing because it's 'boring'? fuckers had no idea how good they had it
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Oct 11, 2018 19:41
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Gum posted:
The only character you're supposed to find sympathetic in Fight Club is Bob.
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Oct 11, 2018 19:59
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fruit BOO!ts posted:You remember how he was at the end of the movie though, right? Clearly George continued to break him psychologically over the years. Forcing Biff to serve his family isn’t a gesture of goodwill, it’s an act of humiliation. Also wouldn't the insinuation be that before Marty goes back they were then living next to the man who successfully raped her in highschool?
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Oct 11, 2018 20:34
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Sarcopenia posted:Yeeeah that doesn't make it better. So it's all about how George can feel like the big man and Lorraine is just fine with having him around because she wasn't really raped so no trauma! In the original timeline she went to prom with George because Marty wasn’t there to scare him away. The rape part is just one small ripple that makes the new universe Marty made a secret hell for everyone.
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Oct 11, 2018 20:39
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Stairs posted:Funny but true: an Indian friend of mine had no idea he *wasn't* Indian until I explained. To be fair he only saw Short Circuit 2 and Ben was less comic relief and stereotypical in that one. A few pages back but there is this kid in a bunch of Disney shows these days that is Indian and he speaks in a completely normal accent but the shows make him sound like Apu. It's kinda gross.
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Oct 11, 2018 20:47
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Alhazred posted:The only character you're supposed to find sympathetic in Fight Club is Bob. His name was Robert Paulson.
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Oct 11, 2018 20:47
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Sarcopenia posted:Yeeeah that doesn't make it better. So it's all about how George can feel like the big man and Lorraine is just fine with having him around because she wasn't really raped so no trauma! This bullying from George is what inspires Biff to strike back in the sequel. Marty ultimately is the one to break the cycle of toxic masculinity by accepting the label of “chicken” with stoicism.
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Oct 11, 2018 20:53
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