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gonna clarify so i'm not taking a "all unions are pure and good" stance cause there are specific cases where ire towards unions is justified. chicago for instance, where labor unions have a fairly bad rap, mostly for engaging in the sorts of scams that every for-profit corporation does. and obviously since unions represent huge groups of people, their exact goals and aims may differ from members on various criteria. that said, workers of the world unite.
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On the one hand, yeah, you can be blamed for doing a job if that job is unethical, BUT, we're not exactly talking ICE agents putting people in cages here. We're talking guys doing a show in a place that might be seen to legitimize that place, though I dare say the propaganda value of this deal is dropping every day (to the extent that it was ever really convincing anyone that Saudi Arabia was a swell country.) The unethical act was making the deal, and it's one for which WWE should face heat as an organization, and while it would be morally praiseworthy for the talent to jeopardize their own livelihoods to pressure the WWE, I'm not convinced the onus is on the talent. (This gets into ethical considerations of whether we are obliged or required to act in the way that brings the most moral benefit at any given moment, which gets into the problem that capitalism makes bastards of us all, etc.)
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Announced for RAW on Monday: * Seth Rollins vs. Drew McIntyre * Dean Ambrose vs. Dolph Ziggler Winner of those matches gets a spot in the World Cup at Crown Jewel. I hope Seth, Dean, and Drew try and throw the match just so they don't have to go to Saudi Arabia. 
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Oct 14, 2018 21:42
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STAC Goat posted:I think major public outcry against WWE, a significant boycott and loss of business, and some key WWE wrestlers taking a risk could get it done without a broader legal or societal shift. But that's a lot of things that seem unlikely to happen. The problem with that is the average non-wrestling fan A)has no real idea how WWE contracts work or how their wrestlers aren't classified as actual employees, and B)probably thinks all WWE wrestlers are all basically rich and making huge amounts of money due to how WWE presents itself. So it would have to be a HUGE scandal or tragedy to make your average person get up in arms about how WWE treats their wrestlers (and even then, that probably wouldn't stop enough die-hard WWE fans from watching in large enough numbers as to impact their finances).
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DarkstarIV posted:Announced for RAW on Monday: "Whoops I mistook the count and got counted out guess I can't go to Saudi Arabia, sorry Vince."
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Marquis de Pyro posted:I wonder if years of the most public and media driven unions existing much more as incredibly wealthy partisan political entities rather than focusing on their actual workers had anything to do with it The Democratic Party explicitly abandoning labor as a source of political power in the 70s, leading to them being bipartisanly hacked away at and undermined for the past 50s years was also pretty big.
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Oct 14, 2018 21:51
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VJeff posted:"Whoops I mistook the count and got counted out guess I can't go to Saudi Arabia, sorry Vince." WWE Crown Jewel will feature a four-hour DX vs. Kane/Taker match, after the majority of the roster scheduled for the show inexplicably did spots on Raw/SD where they seemed to deliberately land on their heads, including guys who weren't even originally scheduled to go.
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Oct 14, 2018 21:55
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Sydney Bottocks posted:WWE Crown Jewel will feature a four-hour DX vs. Kane/Taker match, after the majority of the roster scheduled for the show inexplicably did spots on Raw/SD where they seemed to deliberately land on their heads, including guys who weren't even originally scheduled to go. Curt Hawkins is booked to break his losing streak to get into the World Cup, instead chooses to do a space flying tiger drop to the outside and break his arm.
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Oct 14, 2018 21:59
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Roster goes to canada. Smokes legal weed. Blaze it up so much they "forget" their flight.
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cams posted:gonna clarify so i'm not taking a "all unions are pure and good" stance cause there are specific cases where ire towards unions is justified. chicago for instance, where labor unions have a fairly bad rap, mostly for engaging in the sorts of scams that every for-profit corporation does. and obviously since unions represent huge groups of people, their exact goals and aims may differ from members on various criteria. Stuff like the FOP are not unions because cops aren't workers. Anyway groups like IWW are cool and good at being what all unions should aspire to be: horizontal orgs of workers who fight for all the workers. cams posted:people whining about teachers unions when police/prison guard unions are likely a fraction of the size and wield WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more power in almost every state achillesforever6 fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Oct 14, 2018 |
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Oct 14, 2018 22:25
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no but HHH put an NXT badge in his jacket, all is good!
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DoctorGonzo posted:no but HHH put an NXT badge in his jacket, all is good!
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achillesforever6 posted:Honestly HHH is one of the more insidious ways at how WWE union busts because he acts all fatherly to NXT wrestlers that it makes them less likely to want to organize against the company for their own interests. yea he clearly knows 'nice old vet wrestler who takes you under his wing and helps you' is a WAY better image for new guys than Vince's bullshit and if he can make sure NXT results in people leaving thinking of their boss as their friend then he's safe from union threats for a whole generation of wrestlers.
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My personal hot n' spicy take is that Steph is being groomed to go into politics and Linda was meant to be the trailblazer for a McMahon in office. Vince has blown way way too much money (literally the thing he hates most in the world) on what is supposed to be Linda's dalliance for this not to be the foundation for something more. Steph's serial killer grimace is placed in front of literally every blatantly cynical philanthropic effort the company has ever done, and making 'progressive entertainment' inroads to one of America's longest standing (if comically evil) middle east allies would theoretically look good for a political run. Plus Saudis love to dump obscene amounts of cash toward politicians they think will promote them and their interests.
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I don't think that's a spicy take at all. That sounds exactly like something Vince & Family would do.
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"Stephanie McMahon pursues a career in politics" is an alarmingly plausible sounding idea these days. But again, Linda IS in office. She's in the White House Cabinet! They've gotten the power and ability to grift that they were looking for. And I definitely personally  suspect that the Saudi deal was facilitated in part through these channels.But yeah. I can totally see them all plotting Steph's rise to the Oval Office.
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Oct 14, 2018 23:45
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Leave Pee Wee Herman alone you monsters
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Calling Pee-Wee Herman a sex offender and putting him anywhere near the level of a rapist shows a gross misunderstanding of his case.
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Stephanie is already shopping around for a Congressional district to run in.
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I mean to be fair pee wee was cranking it in a porn theater which is as far from 'rapist' as you can get on the sex offender spectrum
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sexpig by night posted:yea he clearly knows 'nice old vet wrestler who takes you under his wing and helps you' is a WAY better image for new guys than Vince's bullshit and if he can make sure NXT results in people leaving thinking of their boss as their friend then he's safe from union threats for a whole generation of wrestlers. All because they bought a bunch of windows Vista computers over 10 years ago and refused to fork over to buy new machines leading to avoidable security risks.
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i'm sorry
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Reubens#Pornography_arrest:_2002quote:In November 2002, while filming David LaChapelle's video for Elton John's "This Train Don't Stop There Anymore", Reubens learned that police were at his home with a search warrant, acting on a tip from a witness in the pornography case against actor Jeffrey Jones, finding among over 70,000 items of kitsch memorabilia, two grainy videotapes and dozens of photographs that the city attorney's office characterized as a collection of child pornography. Kelly Bush, Reubens' personal representative at the time, said the description of the items was inaccurate and claimed the objects were "Rob Lowe's sex videotape, and a few 30- to 100-year-old kitsch collectible images." Reubens turned himself in to the Hollywood division of the LAPD and was charged with possession of obscene material improperly depicting a child under the age of 18 in sexual conduct. The district attorney looked at Reubens' collection and computer and found no grounds for bringing any felony charges against him, while the city attorney, Rocky Delgadillo brought misdemeanor charges against Reubens on the last day allowed by the statute. Reubens was represented by Hollywood criminal defense lawyer Blair Berk. In December he pleaded not guilty through Berk, who also complained that the city attorney failed to turn over evidence to the defense, which City Attorney Richard Katz countered that prosecutors were not required to do until after arraignment, after which they did; neither side disclosed the contents. So police went through thousands of his old-timey erotica magazines, found a few pictures of naked children who weren't engaged in sexual acts, and charged him based on that Raw loving deal
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Paul Reubens did nothing wrong, unlike Jamal Khashoggi
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MotU posted:put bix on a registry Bix Offender
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Wait there was a Rob Lowe sextape and for some reason Pee Wee Herman had it? I think we're missing the real story here
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Wait there was a Rob Lowe sextape and for some reason Pee Wee Herman had it? The rob lowe sex tape was a big deal when it happened and it became a thing people would trade if they were into underground videos and things like that.
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Join a union, stab a scab
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The_Rob posted:The rob lowe sex tape was a big deal when it happened and it became a thing people would trade if they were into underground videos and things like that. That's wild I didn't know he had one too The initial celeb sex tape era was a weird time
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Lowe's sex tape was like THE sex tape as far as I remember until Tommy Lee cornered the market. That whole pre-internet time period is just so weird to look back to and how like tape trading and seedy friends of friends things worked compared to how easily you can find anything today and there's entire business and brands devoted to distributing stolen pornography. Also Lowe was having sex with a teenager so it ruined his career for awhile until everyone forgot.
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Rob Lowe was also a big supporter of Mike Dukakis for President in 1988 and happened to film that sex tape right before the Democratic National Convention, which the distraction made an already disastrous Presidential season even worse. 1988 was also the year of the first Royal Rumble. Coincidence???
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STAC Goat posted:Lowe's sex tape was like THE sex tape as far as I remember until Tommy Lee cornered the market. That whole pre-internet time period is just so weird to look back to and how like tape trading and seedy friends of friends things worked compared to how easily you can find anything today and there's entire business and brands devoted to distributing stolen pornography. Looked that up and dang: quote:Sex tape Georgia what the hell were you doing? 14? Rob was apparently 24 at the time.
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This is a thing that surprises you about Georgia?
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whats surprising is that they raised it
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Mr. Carlisle posted:
i'm going to guess 15 year olds.
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Minidust posted:WWE does care about PR a whole lot, as exhibited by them taking Moolah’s name off the Wrestlemania battle royal earlier this year. However that cost them zero dimes, so I’m sure it’s an apples and oranges case here :-/ Snickers forced them to, they weren't going to change it themselves. Company is garbage.
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