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Discendo Vox posted:Well, now I'm curious. Do you recall what issue? Maybe we need a seasonal "Spooky panels" thread. What-If? vol. 2 #17.
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Fsmhunk posted:Are the two related or are you just saying? I'm curious. Rich Evans automatically hates any story where an established character is killed off because he feels it's unfairly taking a piece off the board for future stories. He refers to JM Dematteis as an "overrated butcher".
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Oct 12, 2018 22:38
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Well that guy sounds like a dumbass then.
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Oct 12, 2018 22:39
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Push El Burrito posted:The entire Ultimatum storyline is like this. Just mean and violent. Really was a low point in my Ultimate Universe read through. It was a low point in the entire Ultimates universe and probably Marvel's entire history generally. At least it gave me and Gavok some good comedy fodder, but it was still garbage.
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Oct 13, 2018 02:08
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ManiacClown posted:It was a low point in the entire Ultimates universe and probably Marvel's entire history generally. At least it gave me and Gavok some good comedy fodder, but it was still garbage. Ultimatum is the one where The Blob eats Janet at some point, right?
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Oct 13, 2018 02:24
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SonicRulez posted:Ultimatum is the one where The Blob eats Janet at some point, right? Yeah, I had only heard people complain about it for years so I just read the first two issues and it's quite frankly one of the worst written books, terribly paced, difficult to tell what's going on, and has death after death occur for no reason with no tension or reason. It's just trash. Like 3 pages after Blob is eating Janet, it just cuts to a random scene between Xavier and Magneto where Xavier calls him worse then pol pot or hitler then Magneto leans over and snaps his neck. and now to start issue 3 We just get a random list of like a dozen random heroes who died, and now everyone's just shooting hundreds of Madrox clone suicide bombers, I quit.
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Oct 13, 2018 04:00
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Lurdiak posted:Rich Evans automatically hates any story where an established character is killed off because he feels it's unfairly taking a piece off the board for future stories. In his defense it's kinda sad we haven't another story featuring Kraven ever since.
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Oct 13, 2018 04:59
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Did Ultimatum have the line, "If she's the mother... then I'm the motherfucker!" or was that Ultimates 3? Ultimatum was also where Ultimate Strange was introduced... so he could get messily killed off.
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Oct 13, 2018 08:05
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Ultimate Strange was actually in....Ultimate Spider-Man, I think? Except he's completely different from the Ultimatum version, much like half of the characters that show up in Ultimatum god it's so bad in so many different ways.
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Oct 13, 2018 08:12
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Mr. Maltose posted:Ultimate Strange was actually in....Ultimate Spider-Man, I think? Except he's completely different from the Ultimatum version, much like half of the characters that show up in Ultimatum god it's so bad in so many different ways. He first appeared in Ultimate Team-Up (an underrated series, though most of it is non-canon). He was actually just Doctor Strange Junior. In universe Doctor Strange married Clea and had a son they named Stephen Strange Jr. He died or disappeared into the cosmos or just abandoned his family (all of these options seam equally likely for the 616 version of Dr Strange) when Jr was an infant. When Jr is in college Wong shows up and tells Jr about his dad and starts teaching him magic, he uses this to become a guru to the rich and famous going by Doctor Strange (he's not a doctor, not even the Ph.D kind). But yeah he was in that, one arc of Ultimate Spider-Man, and then they killed him. gently caress, I wish they'd never let Jeph Loeb near the Ultimate universe
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Wanderer posted:I remember not buying that in the store because it was so murder-happy. It wasn't until I was older and rereading it digitally that I realized just how much contrivance is required in the first few pages before the writer can get to his full-universe murder spree. The worst part about that Atlantis Attacks one was the end. The serpent sons of Set come to that world and are depicted as eating everyone on the planet - shown by having legs dangling upside down out of their mouths. The Watcher then talks about how the serpents ate everyone and are moving to different dimensions AND OURS COULD BE NEXT!!!!!!!!!
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Push El Burrito posted:The entire Ultimatum storyline is like this. Just mean and violent. Really was a low point in my Ultimate Universe read through. I could never get into Marvel Zombies because of this. Someone posted a page of the Runaways eating Old Lace in the Funny Pictures thread and it just made me feel sick.
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Samuringa posted:I could never get into Marvel Zombies because of this. Someone posted a page of the Runaways eating Old Lace in the Funny Pictures thread and it just made me feel sick. I haven’t even seen that panel, but just knowing about it makes me sad.
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GPTribefan posted:The worst part about that Atlantis Attacks one was the end. The serpent sons of Set come to that world and are depicted as eating everyone on the planet - shown by having legs dangling upside down out of their mouths. The Watcher then talks about how the serpents ate everyone and are moving to different dimensions AND OURS COULD BE NEXT!!!!!!!!! I vividly recall this issue as a kid and looking back now, think it mildly traumatized me for how nihilistic it was. e: What If #25... The Marvel Super Heroes Had Lost Atlantis Attacks? : sticksy fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Oct 13, 2018 |
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sticksy posted:I vividly recall this issue as a kid and looking back now, think it mildly traumatized me for how nihilistic it was. Don't 👏 post 👏  👏 in 👏 panels 👏 threads 👏 ya 👏 dingus. 👏
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ManiacClown posted:It was a low point in the entire Ultimates universe and probably Marvel's entire history generally. At least it gave me and Gavok some good comedy fodder, but it was still garbage. Ultimatum honestly feels like it came out of nowhere too. It doesn't track logically from anything set from any of the Ultimate books and just was so out of loving nowhere, I am surprised Marvel didn't just say this book never happened/was all a dream.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Ultimatum honestly feels like it came out of nowhere too. It doesn't track logically from anything set from any of the Ultimate books and just was so out of loving nowhere, I am surprised Marvel didn't just say this book never happened/was all a dream. Oh, but if they'd done that they might have insulted the legendary and superbly talented Jeph Loeb, writer of numerous iconic comic arcs that aren't at all retreads of each other or ripoffs of other stories!
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It's kinda funny that they did ultimatum, and it sucked, and then for the galactus thing they just did it again
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sticksy posted:I vividly recall this issue as a kid and looking back now, think it mildly traumatized me for how nihilistic it was. My favorite utterly nihilistic What If is the one where Korvac wins, takes over the world, then decides to impose his order on the rest of the universe. At the end, all the alien empires and cosmic powers have allied against him, but he refuses to surrender, and instead uses the Ultimate Nulifier, and erases the entire universe. For once, even the Watcher seems taken aback in his narration by how badly things went in that timeline.
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Speaking of mean spirited, has anyone seen the Force Unleashed 2? It had DLC where the main character kills Vader and takes his place. And then it goes super dark as it does a condensed version of the story from Episodes IV to VI. It starts with you fighting Boba Fett (you kill him by Force throwing his rockets back at him.) Has you chop off Luke's hand and corrupt him to the Dark Side in Echo base. On Endor you Force choke Chewbacca, and use him as a shield when Han tries shooting him (before stabbing him with a Light Sabre.) Oh and forbrhe end of the game, because Luke is gone all hope rests on Leia, who learns Force Powers and gets her own Light Sabre....only for you to still chump her in a boss fight. But by far the meanest was the fight against Obi Wan at the start when the gang are in Mos Eisly Canteen. Obi Wan goes to fight you while the Millennium Falcon flies off. He proceeds to get beaten like he owes you money in a long rear end boss fight. At the end you Force throw him into the engines of the Millennium Falcon, like it's a wood chipper. He them comes back as a Force ghost...who you proceed to shoot lightning at until he explodes. It has to have been designed by someone who hated Star Wars, so mean and petty was it.
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The Question IRL posted:Speaking of mean spirited, has anyone seen the Force Unleashed 2? People love villains.  It's a lovely world. 
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prefect posted:People love villains. I can understand people liking villains, when they are compelling or cool or well written. I mean that explains Dr. Doom. This wasn't that. This was just torture porn.
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The Question IRL posted:I can understand people liking villains, when they are compelling or cool or well written. I mean that explains Dr. Doom. I think people like villains because they want to be able to do villain things and get away with them. "If I had magic brain powers and a laser sword, I'd gently caress up anyone who looked at me crossways." And they love the thought of the bad guys killing the good guys, because the good guys would try to stop them from being huge assholes.
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The Question IRL posted:Speaking of mean spirited, has anyone seen the Force Unleashed 2? I need to find an lp of this because it sounds hilarious
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I think theres one in the archive And the commentators treat it with as much respect as it deserves https://lparchive.org/Star-Wars-The-Force-Unleashed-II/ Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Unless they've done it for both games, The Force Unleashed 1 is the one with a DLC where you take Vader's place and go around killing the rebels.
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Batman dismantles a room full of mercs, then dismantles the same room in a different manner     Gotham Knight #31
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I was totally into that scene until the so far. Now it's so bad it's funny. It is frankly so bad it belongs up there with that Punisher 2099 scene where, when asked how old he is, Frank says "38....caliber!"
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ConfusedUs posted:I was totally into that scene until the so far. Now it's so bad it's funny. It is frankly so bad it belongs up there with that Punisher 2099 scene where, when asked how old he is, Frank says "38....caliber!" It's the icicles. The icicles make it.
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Infinitum posted:Batman dismantles a room full of mercs, then dismantles the same room in a different manner Torture is not badass.
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Alhazred posted:Torture is not badass. He was threatening them, not torturing them (well, debatable with the shoulder injury guy). The head dude knows Batman won't kill so Batman scares him into cooperating. Isn't that what he does?
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Oct 15, 2018 18:14
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Lobok posted:He was threatening them, not torturing them (well, debatable with the shoulder injury guy). The head dude knows Batman won't kill so Batman scares him into cooperating. Isn't that what he does? The head dude also knows that Batman knows exactly how much he can torture someone before they die.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:31
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Batman has often been written as being okay with torture to extract information. Like, what else is the "dangle them upside down from a rooftop" shtick if not "enhanced interrogation"?
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Phy posted:It's the icicles. The icicles make it. I hear that balloon in the Lego Batman voice.
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He once got a white martian to spill information with a ballpoint pen or something, I think. edit: It was the villain from Welcome to the Working Week, the story Patton Oswalt wrote about the JLA El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Android Blues posted:Batman has often been written as being okay with torture to extract information. Like, what else is the "dangle them upside down from a rooftop" shtick if not "enhanced interrogation"? I thought it was more fear and intimidation over actual physical violence/torture. Only recent thing i remember would be the movies where he drops him from the roof and breaks his ankles, or the scene in the gcpd interrogation room.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:56
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Alhazred posted:The head dude also knows that Batman knows exactly how much he can torture someone before they die. And that Batman has extremely detailed personal/medical information on all his men which is not a good thing either.
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MH Knights posted:And that Batman has extremely detailed personal/medical information on all his men which is not a good thing either. Yeah, he had that info on all the JLA members and that was a fiasco.
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frodnonnag posted:I thought it was more fear and intimidation over actual physical violence/torture. Is this the line of thinking? "Look we put hoods on those guys heads, brought them to a Helicoptor, turned on the blades and dangled them over the sides. But since the Helicoptor was still on the ground, it wasn't actual torture. " You're not one of the judges from the European Court of Human rights, are you? You don't have to inflict physical harm on someone to be torturing them.
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Lurdiak posted:Rich Evans automatically hates any story where an established character is killed off because he feels it's unfairly taking a piece off the board for future stories. If you ever do self harm it will be 100% justified . Also it will probably end up leading to the healing of some poor 9 year old's rectal cavity (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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