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esperterra posted:I think Shangie mainly made such a big deal about it b/c Gaga personally had her people reach out to her to tell her she wanted her in the movie. Oh, and that is very cool. My friend and I had big grins on our faces whenever Shangela and Willam were on screen.
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Nihonniboku posted:Oh, and that is very cool. My friend and I had big grins on our faces whenever Shangela and Willam were on screen. They were a huge hit with my audience, which was mostly middle aged or older people 'cause I went at like 4PM on Thanksgiving Sunday lmao.
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esperterra posted:They were a huge hit with my audience, which was mostly middle aged or older people 'cause I went at like 4PM on Thanksgiving Sunday lmao. My audience today was like 90% 30 something gay men.
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Nihonniboku posted:My audience today was like 90% 30 something gay men. That woulda been a great group.
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jit bull transpile posted:and yall are still wrong about asylum. it has too many things happening, it is by far the highest level of gore porn this show ever did (which i'm never a fan of), and it never really ties back together around a central theme the way the best seasons all do. by the end of asylum we've had potential aliens involved, satan possessing a nurse, a serial killer whos the rapeson of another serial killer, a nazi mad scientist fleshcrafter, and a hell of a lot of people being tormented to no end. there never really seems to be a point any of this is getting at whereas: Asylum is about trauma. Specifically the trauma of institutionalization and medicalization (which is the throughline between the asylum, aliens, and Nazi doctors), but in general the experience of lasting trauma and the abject failure of institutions that say they can and will fix you and make it okay - like the church - but can't. Partly because some things you can't fix, and partly because when you can - in the show's estimation - it has to come from within, not without. The ending is the protagonist finally beating her trauma by asserting control over it. Cult is indeed about the insanity of politics, but to see what it is you have to pay attention to what's missing. The prevailing theme is that politics are about feelings, not logic, especially (as Kai seizes on) fear. Obviously the conservative characters are vulnerable to it, because that's the mode of their entire politics - xenophobia, homophobia, and at the root of it all the fear of change and loss of their identity and livelihood - but the season illustrates by the midpoint that the liberal characters are equally vulnerable. What's missing is someone who can win an argument with Kai, who he's wrong about, someone motivated by something bigger than fear. And really, there are only two answers: a real leftist/progressive (a political stance you'll notice is suspiciously absent from the season with one partial exception) and nobody. Rendering the season either a leftist critique of American politics, or a nihilist statement about our fate. They're the two best seasons of AHS!!!! Bitch!!! Baku fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:Asylum is about trauma. Specifically the trauma of institutionalization and medicalization (which is the throughline between the asylum, aliens, and Nazi doctors), but in general the experience of lasting trauma and the abject failure of institutions that say they can and will fix you and make it okay - like the church - but can't. Partly because some things you can't fix, and partly because when you can - in the show's estimation - it has to come from within, not without. The ending is the protagonist finally beating her trauma by asserting control over it. Oh honey
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No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:They're the two best seasons of AHS!!!! Bitch!!! The child rapist pokemon makes some good points.
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Asylum def had a bunch of stuff thrown at the wall, but tbh I think how crazy the season felt really suited it, considering the setting and overall conflict of proving you're not insane. It was a very rare case of Murphy going too batshit but it somehow feeling right. The only plot that really felt superfluous to me was the alien stuff. And mostly because the alien stuff led to a weirdly boring finale. Needed some demon nun vs alien tbh e: also it was the first season to have paulson at the forefront instead of her bit part in Murder House and led to a time honoured tradition of Paulson vs Lange, which is cool and good
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jit bull transpile posted:Oh honey I admire the effort in trying to read coherent themes and deep meaning into AHS, but... it's a Ryan Murphy show lol
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I didn't like Asylum all that much because they actually wrote likable characters as opposed to Dylan McDermott cranking off in the corner while sobbing. Made it feel way too mean to me.
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Pellisworth posted:I admire the effort in trying to read coherent themes and deep meaning into AHS, but... I'd never heard of Ryan Murphy before AHS so I never quite got this joke. All I know of him is ahs and pose.
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ICHIBAHN posted:Delete all this You really need to work on fitting into the thread culture
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jit bull transpile posted:I'd never heard of Ryan Murphy before AHS so I never quite got this joke. All I know of him is ahs and pose. He did Popular, Nip/Tuck and Glee, which are all p well known for being nonsensical for the most part. e: ^^^ yah agreed this is clearly just a general gay thread during offseason (especially since AS4 has barely any t beyond prob the cast, and 11 is p well spilled if you wanna go look for it) and ryan murphy is very very gay esperterra fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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jit bull transpile posted:You really need to work on fitting into the thread culture There's nothing wrong with expecting the Drag Race thread to be about Drag Stuff. There is an actual thread for AHS in TVIV already. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3865724 There, saved you some effort, do your  stuff there and leave this space for drag.
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And going back to my apocalypse thoughts: we're in our second straight hour of story critical flashbacks with every indication the next episode will begin with more. Like, they're fun and I'm not gonna complain about coven coming back to my screen but it is not a good story structure.
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Going back to talk about drag race and drag queens: it looks like they are going to air AS4 before season 11, despite filming them in the opposite order? Do I have my facts wrong, America?
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Yeah, they'll likely air AS4 first. Which I'm glad for tbh. Would feel weird to have 11 so soon after 10. I feel like the winners should get a clear year of reigning.
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AS2 happened just a couple months after S8, and AS3 was just a couple months after S9. There hasn't been any room to breathe, and it's definitely taken away from Bob and Sasha's reigns in my opinion. There's no reason to have AS4 so soon; kinda feels like the pool is getting a bit shallow for All Stars 
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A God drat Ghost posted:Going back to talk about drag race and drag queens: it looks like they are going to air AS4 before season 11, despite filming them in the opposite order? Do I have my facts wrong, America? This is exactly how AS3 was filmed and aired. Season 10 was filmed before it but aired after it. I think jit bull is right in saying All Stars is a lighter build up for the main attraction of a new season. the escape goat posted:AS2 happened just a couple months after S8, and AS3 was just a couple months after S9. There hasn't been any room to breathe, and it's definitely taken away from Bob and Sasha's reigns in my opinion. There's no reason to have AS4 so soon; kinda feels like the pool is getting a bit shallow for All Stars They are absolutely going to start bringing back all stars alumni for this reason. Which I don't think is the worst thing 
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Poulpe posted:This is exactly how AS3 was filmed and aired. Especially if they finally bring back some AS1 girls. They deserve it after that disaster of a season lmbo. I could see them bringing on past winners again, too, maybe. There's a few who would be interested but idk how well it would go over after a good chunk of people were salted about Bebe getting another chance. I don't necessarily mind them doing AS every year, I just hope they pace them out better this year. Rumour has it it's going to air in loving December or January which ... I'm not too upset about, as long as it means there will be a few months between AS4 and S11. Going straight from AS3 to S10 was exhausting, esp if you're like me and was salted at the jury tomfoolery and lack of a reunion episode lmao
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Bringing back anyone from AS1 is totally fine by me since they were so, so mistreated by the trash fire that was the team-up deal. bringing back regular season winners though, I dunno. Bebe wasn't all that great, Raja doesn't seem the type to be into it, seasons 4 and on are well-known enough that it would be weird, and Tyra turned out to be a pretty miserable bastard all around. Didn't they threaten to bomb Dragcon or something? yeesh.
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As1 was so bad they could just completely redo it, Chad included, and I wouldn't have a problem with it.
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Jinkx has said recently she would do it if asked. She's one winner I'd like to see tbh, if only because she's grown and learned so much since then. And she never got to show off her singing, other than the Can I Get an Amen? challenge. Otherwise yeah most winners prob wouldn't want to, or haven't changed enough to really warrant it imo.
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If they just took AS1's cast and swapped in Ongina for Chad, it would be the best season of RPDR probably. I need Yara and Alexis and Tammie on my tee vee again gdi
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I'm not as worried that the casts may become All-Stars or Eh-Stars instead of ALL-STARS since it's basically Survivor: Drag Race at this point. There are more than enough queens that I'll be happy to see again that they could probably go to at least AS6 without running dry.
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Pinwiz11 posted:I'm not as worried that the casts may become All-Stars or Eh-Stars instead of ALL-STARS since it's basically Survivor: Drag Race at this point. It’s a mixture of this and drag race burnout tha5 has me worried about All Stars 4 coming so quickly. All Starts used to be a huge thing, especially AS1 and 2. If you do it every year, it not only stops being special, but the pool of queens becomes much more shallow and you get more WTF contestants that are probably there more to pad numbers than actually be all stars. Also there’s the problem of queens potentially angling for All Stars just in case they don’t win main season and try to play towards the fans in a disingenuous way. Then again, this is reality TV so everything is pretty disingenuous. Maybe I just don’t want it being more obvious.
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jit bull transpile posted:I actually kinda want laganja back because from all indications she's only gone more extreme since her appearance. she's a fantastic dancer and performer jimmydalad posted:It’s a mixture of this and drag race burnout tha5 has me worried about All Stars 4 coming so quickly. All Starts used to be a huge thing, especially AS1 and 2. If you do it every year, it not only stops being special, but the pool of queens becomes much more shallow and you get more WTF contestants that are probably there more to pad numbers than actually be all stars. Also there’s the problem of queens potentially angling for All Stars just in case they don’t win main season and try to play towards the fans in a disingenuous way. Then again, this is reality TV so everything is pretty disingenuous. Maybe I just don’t want it being more obvious. Yeah I think they should do AS maybe every other year, it's just kinda too much. They also need to settle on a no-bullshit format because each season of All Stars has had some new elimination/coronation gimmick and it's never really clicked. AS just seems like "gently caress it, why not, let's do it and throw some zany twist in for kicks" while regular seasons are pretty settled in their format and always a good way to gain exposure for queens.
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Pellisworth posted:she's a fantastic dancer and performer But more importantly she's still insanely obnoxious and will definitely create drama. If you hate yourself go watch her get ready with me with Jeffrey Starr. You will be sooooo irritated.
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jit bull transpile posted:But more importantly she's still insanely obnoxious and will definitely create drama. If you hate yourself go watch her get ready with me with Jeffrey Starr. You will be sooooo irritated. I loved that, but then I love how extra Ganj is tbh. It's very her brand. I get people still not liking her, tho. She's grown a lot as a queen and performer, but if her personality grates on someone then it grates on someone lol
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As someone who misses the cutthroat competitive vibes of the early seasons: Bring back Tyra but make her a permanent judge
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As much of a mess as Tyra is, I would lowkey love to see her come back and stir poo poo. She's fabulous as gently caress. Like could you imagine lmao if they did an All-Stars where they brought back not only Tyra, but gave Raven a second AS chance? Never going to happen 'cause Raven works for the show now but still!! e: also wow is never gna touch tyra again after her drag con debacle but a girl can dream
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the escape goat posted:There, saved you some effort, do your nobody shits on asyum w/ impunity esperterra posted:I loved that, but then I love how extra Ganj is tbh. It's very her brand. which is why she neeeds to come back
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Haha I don't care if there's an all stars every year, hell, let's have two! The "prestige" and celebrity of these people doesn't matter in the slightest and I want more nonsensical drag drama in my life 
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VH1's thought process imho. Going into its 11th season Drag Race is somehow bigger than ever. I don't think the network or WOW are going to slow down any time soon. Two seasons per year is our future for a while. e: and I'm here for it
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esperterra posted:VH1's thought process imho. And Ru's as well TBH! Momma Ru is well aware this has passed its peak and will milk it dry! It's a good thing Ru doesn't have to pay Australian prices for the daily cocaine, otherwise there'd be a season for each season of the year!
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Gelf posted:And Ru's as well TBH! D'you think it's really past it's peak? It's more popular than it's ever been and "Drag Race Drag" and the associated lingo has become remarkably mainstream. I think she'll be riding this one out for years to come.
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