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Goblin Slayer is literally just the author cranking one out, the animu is practically sanitized compared to the mango as well, where it's straight up pornographic. Also Boogie is a stupid piece of poo poo.
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rudecyrus posted:I swear to god, Dan did a video about this exact thing. Its not the same argument because it centers on the viewer and there expectations. Not on world building. To put it simply, no one wants to see a show where the good guy is worse than the villains. So when the protagonist is ripping peoples spines out in a genocideal rage the writer has to create an antagonist they think is threatening enough to justify that level of violent catharsis. Related note The First Purge kicks rear end.
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Oct 16, 2018 00:47
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Thinking about it a little more. The first purge is a good example. Because the protagonist is a drug king pin anyone he kills has to be a worse person otherwise he losses audiance. That means its cool for him to kill the lieutenant who betrays him and the PMCs dressed as Clansmen but not the sexworkers paid to assassinate him. It's easy to have a villan not do sexual violence in a story. but I do get how its an easy tool for a writer, its a clear line to seperate the protagonist from the antagonist, it still evokes a reaction, and its non political. I think thats why it's still exists as a trope and how it tends to go unnoted when used by better writers.
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Oct 16, 2018 01:05
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OmanyteJackson posted:Thinking about it a little more. The first purge is a good example. I don't see how just having goblins be nasty creatures that raid villages and murder people isn't enough. No real need for that creepy-rear end stuff there. It's not necessary for the title character's development either: having your family murdered in front of you is quite sufficient to really mess with a person. Like, it's not the case when re-writing is needed. You can literally just remove that aspect of the show without losing anything.
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Oct 16, 2018 01:42
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rvm posted:I don't see how just having goblins be nasty creatures that raid villages and murder people isn't enough. I wasn't kidding, they could've gotten rid of that content when they went from the online comic to the light novel, the light novel to the audio drama, the audio drama to the manga, the manga to the spin-off novels, then the spin-off novels and manga to the anime, it's the creator's spank material and one of the prime reasons people bother with it, it wouldn't be complete without it.
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Ash Crimson posted:
centrists totally aren't just nazis waiting for an excuse to come out as nazis
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rvm posted:I don't see how just having goblins be nasty creatures that raid villages and murder people isn't enough. No real need for that creepy-rear end stuff there. It's not necessary for the title character's development either: having your family murdered in front of you is quite sufficient to really mess with a person. Like, it's not the case when re-writing is needed. You can literally just remove that aspect of the show without losing anything. The creepy-rear end stuff only exists so that you, the audience, lose all capacity to empathize with the villain. That's it. It's not required but it only takes one brutal scene, one line of text to remove all nuance from your story. If you take it out you have to reduce the level of violence the hero does or contextualize the theme of the show "Are we just as bad as our enemy?". Because the hero murdering families of goblins will seem less palatable.
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Oct 16, 2018 02:12
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OmanyteJackson posted:The creepy-rear end stuff only exists so that you, the audience, lose all capacity to empathize with the villain. That's it. And this would be where we start talking about the franchise's poorly-concealed fascist undertones, yes.
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Oct 16, 2018 02:24
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Doom Guy never needed the motivation of having his sister raped in front of him by an Imp for people to like him, and neither should the Goblin Slayer.
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Oct 16, 2018 02:25
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OmanyteJackson posted:Because the hero murdering families of goblins will seem less palatable.
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Oct 16, 2018 02:27
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Anakin Skywalker's first act of major evil on the road to becoming Vader was literally slaughtering an entire village of sentient beings because they hurt his mom, even the loving prequels knew 'I'm going to do a genocide because a loved one was hurt by someone like this group' was not 'heroic motives'
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Oct 16, 2018 02:35
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castlevania cartoon showed demons with babies in their mouths, you can just eat babies instead of rape if you want to be evil.
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Oct 16, 2018 02:39
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i can't rely on eating babies if i need my hero to also eat babies.
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Oct 16, 2018 02:47
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rudecyrus posted:I swear to god, Dan did a video about this exact thing. https://twitter.com/FoldableHuman/status/1049055731092054016 He also waxed about the manga vs anime in response to someone else's video: https://twitter.com/FoldableHuman/status/1049527245709107200
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Oct 16, 2018 03:06
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OmanyteJackson posted:The creepy-rear end stuff only exists so that you, the audience, lose all capacity to empathize with the villain. That's it.
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Roth posted:Doom Guy never needed the motivation of having his sister raped in front of him by an Imp for people to like him, and neither should the Goblin Slayer. Demons tap into America's puritanical roots and also as a video game the player is complicit with the actions of doom guy. In fiction the demons are at best a force of nature, at worst a victim of capitalism, yet players still enjoy crushing there skulls. Empathy is weird. Darth Walrus posted:And this would be where we start talking about the franchise's poorly-concealed fascist undertones, yes. I haven't read the manga, but fascism is all about nations and purity. The goblin slayer just murders goblins because their evil. for something to be fascist, something has to have been lost or taken and the violence is just one tool to "make ___ great again." All I'm saying is that sexual violence against women is an old trope because it's the biggest taboo, the "break in case of fire" of writing cliches. It doesn't have to be that severe but distinguishing the violent protagonist versus the violent antagonist requires something and because of patriarchy it's how women are treated. If you have a villain who treats women better than the hero you have a problem sexpig by night posted:Anakin Skywalker's first act of major evil on the road to becoming Vader was literally slaughtering an entire village of sentient beings because they hurt his mom, even the loving prequels knew 'I'm going to do a genocide because a loved one was hurt by someone like this group' was not 'heroic motives' The prequels are about a descent into darkness. He also chokes his wife to death as his final act toward becoming a bad guy because to a film audience that's worse than killing children off screen.
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Oct 16, 2018 03:11
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OmanyteJackson posted:I haven't read the manga, but fascism is all about nations and purity. The goblin slayer just murders goblins because their evil. for something to be fascist, something has to have been lost or taken and the violence is just one tool to "make ___ great again." edit: please do not try to redefine words to justify liking your rape porn.
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Oct 16, 2018 03:15
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Goblin Slayer blatantly evokes fascist rhetoric of a subhuman race that is here to take our territory and women, and uses a fantasy species that is regularly used as a Jewish stereotype.
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Oct 16, 2018 03:25
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I'm not saying all goblins are rapists, but we should halt all goblin immigration until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on
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Oct 16, 2018 03:28
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Terrible Opinions posted:So you're saying it's okay because it's blatantly using the same tactics as fascist propaganda to justify genocide? I'm saying that's what they're going for. I doubt the show is any more political than any other fantasy anime where monsters are killed, it's just more violent. Interesting factoid, the police comment an average of 5 sexual assaults per day as of 2015. If the thesis of the anime is to kill rapist, well then...
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Oct 16, 2018 03:29
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A lot of fantasy has fascist undertones. It’s kind of the genres big issue that few can escape. Goblin Slayer doesn’t try to dress it up at all just jumps right in.
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Oct 16, 2018 03:37
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OmanyteJackson posted:I'm saying that's what they're going for. I doubt the show is any more political than any other fantasy anime where monsters are killed, it's just more violent. CharlestheHammer posted:A lot of fantasy has fascist undertones. Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Oct 16, 2018 |
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Oct 16, 2018 03:38
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Terrible Opinions posted:Wouldn't it be nice if said rapists weren't defined by race in a manner identical to fascist propaganda, and if the rapes weren't blatantly blocked with the intention to titillate the audience. I mean, yeah, but... anime.
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Oct 16, 2018 03:42
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I wish there were a way to specify "the modern anime industry" instead of the medium as universally understood shorthand, just like you can say AAA games instead of video games. If only as a way to avoid the inevitable swarm of idiots who 100% know what you meant screeching about anime being a medium not a genre.
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Oct 16, 2018 03:46
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I've taken to 'seasonal trash' pretty well with regards to that.
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CharlestheHammer posted:A lot of fantasy has fascist undertones. The problem is that a lot of fantasy aimed at adults keeps most of its inherently juvenile foundations. The children's story doesn't become mature if you depict violence in gory details and add soul-crushingly boring politics.
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Puppy Time posted:I mean, yeah, but... anime. Lol if you think that is an anime thing. B movies have been doing the rape thing since the sixties and fascist fantasy basically started with LOTR.
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Oct 16, 2018 03:58
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You can just call them "bad shows"
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Oct 16, 2018 03:59
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Yeah but weekly produced mass market anime has a lot of problems that are unique to it, even if the causes are very similar to the problems in AA video games and capeshit comics.
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Oct 16, 2018 04:02
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Devilman Crybaby at the very least used its edginess to have a very anti-hate message so the anime industry is not all bad.
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Anime is particularly blatant about it and crams that poo poo in as a marketing move. It's not an anime-only thing, just like having terrible work conditions and customer service aren't a AAA-publisher-only thing, but it is a thing that's especially endemic to the industry in general right now because of multiple terrible factors and also capitalism.
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Oct 16, 2018 04:12
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The only good anime that exists (or ever will exist) is My Hero Academia. 
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Oct 16, 2018 04:17
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My Hero Academia is fun, but it's no Digimon Tamers.
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Roth posted:My Hero Academia is fun, but it's no Digimon Tamers. I dunno, MHA could hold my attention for half an hour. Digimon couldn't. As a kid OR an adult. Tamers and Fronteir especially.
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VolticSurge posted:I dunno, MHA could hold my attention for half an hour. Digimon couldn't. As a kid OR an adult. Tamers and Fronteir especially. That's ok, my rewatch of it a couple of years ago reminded that it's a slow burn of a show, and generally not well animated so I can't blame anybody for not liking it.
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Terrible Opinions posted:This is blatantly not true. I can't stomach Attack on Titan because it's so gorey there's no way I'm actually watching this show, I'm more of a consensual adults talking about they're feelings kind of guy. I do think this show could make for an interesting conversation. And I don't know what definition you're thinking of i'm just paraphrasing the literal definition of fascism quote:fascism noun It's about purity through extermination, not extermination as a means unto itself. It's a flawed ideology based on the myth of a time that never existed, that's the lure of fascism. Terrible Opinions posted:Wouldn't it be nice if said rapists weren't defined by race in a manner identical to fascist propaganda, and if the rapes weren't blatantly blocked with the intention to titillate the audience. ...you do realize your talking about the United States right? Jim Crow? Birth of a Nation? ok so you also realize that fascist propaganda targets real human beings and not fictional ones? Propaganda has purpose, if it has no purpose it's not propaganda. Also in case you need it. quote:propaganda noun Fake edit: I'm only being pedantic because this poo poo kinda matters in 2018, not everything that is regressive or reactionary is fascist propaganda, it can still just be lovely stuff lovely people like. When actal fascist propaganda like say... American Sniper gets academy awards and movies like Range 15 exist I think it's worth being thoughtful of how we label the poo poo we don't like.
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OmanyteJackson posted:...you do realize your talking about the United States right? Jim Crow? Birth of a Nation? ok so you also realize that fascist propaganda targets real human beings and not fictional ones? Propaganda has purpose, if it has no purpose it's not propaganda. Also in case you need it. OmanyteJackson posted:It's about purity through extermination, not extermination as a means unto itself. It's a flawed ideology based on the myth of a time that never existed, that's the lure of fascism.
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Oct 16, 2018 04:35
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If only this anime Goblin Slayer hated goblins because when he was a kid a goblin ate all his rare baseball cards instead. Like a traditional story.
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VolticSurge posted:The only good anime that exists (or ever will exist) is My Hero Academia. MHA fuckin rules but even it has weird race science poo poo of 'well see some people are just genetically better'. To it's credit, though, it very quickly realizes 'waaaaait a sec are we doing a thing' and shuffles that aside and even has the 'lesser' quirks shown as very important to society and even proper heroics and all, but it does kinda start out weird with its first storyline being 'plebe wishes to join society but genetically is inferior to even the weakest members of it'. that tweet about all modern pop culture being fascist isn't 100% wrong, it's wrong, but not all the way wrong.
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Kim Justice posted:If only this anime Goblin Slayer hated goblins because when he was a kid a goblin ate all his rare baseball cards instead. Like a traditional story. it would be 100x better if Goblin Slayer was a Konosuba style comedy about a hero who's just a complete prick who hates 'monsters' due to some lovely but really small scale thing one of them did to him as a kid. Like, the world around him is a normal anime fantasy world and he's just some douchebag all "THE GOBLINS AREN'T TRUSTWORTHY WHEN I WAS A KID ONE OF THEM PANTSED ME IN SCHOOL IN FRONT OF A GIRL I LIKED"
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