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skimothy milkerson
Nov 19, 2006

The_Franz posted:

"look honey, sure we'll be uprooting our entire family to move into a $4000 a month closet, you are bailing on an 18 year teaching career in the local school system and we will need to shove your ailing mother into a nursing home where we will never see her, but once my stock options vest we might be able to afford a house with a mere 2 hour commute! our 10, 13 and 15 year olds won't mind sharing a futon in the corner for two years, it will be like camping!"

poo poo

e: of gently caress. let me do this right this time :69snypa:

what now, mods? :smug:

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skimothy milkerson
Nov 19, 2006

free smoka

skimothy milkerson
Nov 19, 2006

:blastu:

skimothy milkerson
Nov 19, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfEuxRDYiyc&t=66s

skimothy milkerson
Nov 19, 2006

AMBERPOS BITHC

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Munkeymon posted:

yeah, my salary that puts me well over the median income of two earners sure is poverty. you called it. now I don't have any more time to post I've got to walk to the dump and scrounge some tarps to rebuild the roof because it's snowing

“penury” was a reference to the risk of unemployment, not the standard of living

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Symbolic Butt posted:

I think that post was actually directed at me lol. and you're still like "why are you thinking anyone wants to hire you" when I already know nobody wants to hire me. no offense taken though

it’s not meant to be a gag, or an insult. it is a question you have to ask yourself.

why might foreign employers want to hire you? because you’re qualified and you will probably accept lower pay than the locals

opportunities are out there

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



cannot legally be sold as vodka

Corla Plankun posted:

which ireland is the good one? i always forget

the one that kicked out the English

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
apparently i get to skip the goog phone screen :yotj:

i'm pretty sure they aren't supposed to do that but lol

Hunter2 Thompson
Feb 3, 2005

Ramrod XTreme

bob dobbs is dead posted:

apparently i get to skip the goog phone screen :yotj:

i'm pretty sure they aren't supposed to do that but lol

they let me, a member of the unwashed masses, skip it too. don't let it go to your head

ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER
When I was last job searching I had a lot of success using hired.com. At the time my only experience was a year in a startup and some open source work. I got requests for about 20 interviews, went on ~12, got 6 concrete offers (and a few others I was stringing along).

You put a profile up there and then the companies come to you. It's tech only, because only this industry is that desperate for staff.

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


ShadowHawk posted:

When I was last job searching I had a lot of success using hired.com. At the time my only experience was a year in a startup and some open source work. I got requests for about 20 interviews, went on ~12, got 6 concrete offers (and a few others I was stringing along).

You put a profile up there and then the companies come to you. It's tech only, because only this industry is that desperate for staff.

I'm trying to persuade my boss to start using Hired to hire because our recruiters suck and keep sending us the exact same profiles (guys with 3 years experience at megacorp and a buzzwordy cv who fail the technical test). I haven't been sent a woman's cv by them in months even though they get a bonus if we hire her.

Arcsech
Aug 5, 2008

ShadowHawk posted:

When I was last job searching I had a lot of success using hired.com. At the time my only experience was a year in a startup and some open source work. I got requests for about 20 interviews, went on ~12, got 6 concrete offers (and a few others I was stringing along).

You put a profile up there and then the companies come to you. It's tech only, because only this industry is that desperate for staff.

hired probably works great if you are in one of the top two big tech markets, and not at all otherwise. I got one lovely government contracting company from them with my looking location set to Denver and nothing else for months.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

“penury” was a reference to the risk of unemployment, not the standard of living

It's not actually that hard to find a job in places like Minneapolis or wherever if you're an experienced programmer? Like, if someone gets laid off from a tech job they're not going to be living out of a cardboard box. They just find another tech job.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

feedmegin posted:

It's not actually that hard to find a job in places like Minneapolis or wherever if you're an experienced programmer? Like, if someone gets laid off from a tech job they're not going to be living out of a cardboard box. They just find another tech job.

the job markets are extremely thin. you might not find another tech job, or at least, not another job that fits your specialisation.

by the time you're highly experienced, there might only be a handful of jobs in a small market that you would fit into easily, or command the pay you were looking for

i have known guys who did long stints unemployed, because they would rather spend 18 months out of a job than leave whatever godforsaken burg they grew up in

that's a thing people do. it's ok. i understand that sometimes family connections or your church or whatever matter more than economic concerns.

edit: to be real clear, i get testy just because it means it's impossible to recruit these motherfuckers.

Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Oct 16, 2018

prisoner of waffles
May 8, 2007

Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

edit: to be real clear, i get testy just because it means it's impossible to recruit these motherfuckers.

u monster, how dare you try to pay these people more money

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...
ahahaha yeah who doesn't want to obsess over shoes on the subway, real mystery here

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

it's not like programmers in, say, minnesota are unaware that wages double on the coasts. they just don't care. they have houses and families and they would rather face penury than leave

(that's how they ended up as senior developers in minnesota! could have left at any point in their careers and chose not to)

im a trailing spouse, i dont get to just move

Arcsech
Aug 5, 2008

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

good luck recruiting senior candidates from the flyover states

it's not like programmers in, say, minnesota are unaware that wages double on the coasts. they just don't care. they have houses and families and they would rather face penury than leave

(that's how they ended up as senior developers in minnesota! could have left at any point in their careers and chose not to)

well yeah

california is just unbelievably bad

seattle was great until amazon shitted it up

portland is still pretty good i guess, but i haven't been there in a while

lol @ living anywhere on the east coast

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


Seattle is good but expensive

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Arcsech posted:

california is just unbelievably bad
Well up yours, buddy

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

JawnV6 posted:

ahahaha yeah who doesn't want to obsess over shoes on the subway, real mystery here

dipshit business people obsess over shoes in the midwest, too. you're being judged whether you notice it or not

if you wear vans to work every day you're the adult equivalent of the kid who eats paste. of course he doesn't think there's anything wrong with it

prisoner of waffles
May 8, 2007

Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.
gonna just go out on a limb here and claim that while human beings remain image-conscious and hierarchical to some extent, not every workplace is quite so image-conscious and hierarchical as the one in which nbsd works

e: of course I feel this way, I just ordered myself some nice (fake!) shearling lined clogs

e^2: if we're gonna have shoe chat again, can we please attempt to discuss what the underlying signalling and relationship dynamics are instead of just calling people names

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

dipshit business people obsess over shoes in the midwest, too. you're being judged whether you notice it or not

if you wear vans to work every day you're the adult equivalent of the kid who eats paste. of course he doesn't think there's anything wrong with it

weird how this went from being "some rando senior dev in the midwest" to being personally addressed to me, this sure has the hallmarks of a good-faith discussion and isn't you just blasting your insecurities out at anyone who'll listen nope

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

dipshit business people obsess over shoes in the midwest, too. you're being judged whether you notice it or not

if you wear vans to work every day you're the adult equivalent of the kid who eats paste. of course he doesn't think there's anything wrong with it

what if the ceo wears vans to work every day

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


I don't wear vans to work, I wear DCs

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


newbalances, myself

it would take a lot of convincing for me to believe notorious b.s.d about shoes; i've spent almost 34 years failing to care except when my feet hurt again

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

I absolutely believe it applies to nyc banks

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

hobbesmaster posted:

what if the ceo wears vans to work every day

you work for an idiot who is judged poorly by his peers and customers

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

JawnV6 posted:

just blasting your insecurities out at anyone who'll listen nope

lol if you think any yospos content rises above this

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Ciaphas posted:

newbalances, myself

peak dadly. way less embarassing than vans

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


hobbesmaster posted:

I absolutely believe it applies to nyc banks

i wouldn't want to work at one then. i don't dress like a slob but i'm distinctly uncomfortable in anything more elaborate than (clean, in good repair) ordinary rear end walking shoes

same for all clothes really

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Ciaphas posted:

i wouldn't want to work at one then. i don't dress like a slob but i'm distinctly uncomfortable in anything more elaborate than (clean, in good repair) ordinary rear end walking shoes

same for all clothes really

i also prefer to work naked but for walking shoes

unfortunately this is incompatible with going to the office for several reasons

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i also prefer to work naked but for walking shoes
text me

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



I don’t really want to be nbsd but I’d be willing to mug him in a dark alley and bank his self-assurance

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

I don’t really want to be nbsd but I’d be willing to mug him in a dark alley and bank his self-assurance

you too can be bottomlessly smug and ready for any and all business scenarios, using the notorious b.s.d seven step program:
  1. spend the best years of your life working in technology
  2. lose all hope
  3. drink a pint of whiskey
  4. phone it in (this is steps 4 through 7, because i follow my own advice)

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


in that case I’d like to know how you fake your assurance and hope without mental collapse

can’t just be the pints

jony neuemonic
Nov 13, 2009

i just throw on some chucks most days because startup but lol if you can’t appreciate a nice pair of shoes.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


derp double post

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Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Ciaphas posted:

in that case I’d like to know how you fake your assurance and hope without mental collapse

can’t just be the pints

working life is poo poo

stunt hard
get paid
go home

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