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jokes posted:No it's not lol. You need to learn more about socialism, because what you're describing is straight up monarchy/feudalism. Correct Kassad posted:All the factions' political systems are poo poo. No gods, no masters. Also correct TEENAGE WITCH posted:daeth to all colonialists More correct jokes posted:Animancers will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last king! Most correct The Huana socio-economic system is not socialist in even the most lukewarm, fifth-grade civics sense of the term. It is rigidly hierarchical, features a brutally repressive top-down power structure, and its economics are defined by its upward transfer and accumulation of capital and all other resources. In my first playthrough I sided with the Huana but tried to help the Roparu as much as possible. I figured that one day when the Koiki Farmer-Urban Animancer Workers' Party finally embarks upon their Tarauton Revolution, it would be best if it was as free from colonialist influences as possible. Come to think of it, some kind of organized animancy-focused political party embarking upon a revolution against one of the entrenched political entities in Eora might be a really compelling story. Featuring special Don't Let It Go Bolshevik minigame DrPop fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Oct 16, 2018 |
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jokes posted:No it's not lol. You need to learn more about socialism, because what you're describing is straight up monarchy/feudalism.
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Oct 16, 2018 15:14
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I can understand where you are coming from somewhat and agree that Marxist Socialism is very much limited by its scientificisms and conditionals and narrow-mindedness. Marx said and thought a lot of things. Marx thought that the greatest hope for the dawn of communism was the industrialized West. History and modern circumstance continues to prove him wrong. His perspective isn't the be-all, end-all of socialism or any radical thought in general. But at the end of the day, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that a rigidly hierarchical fictional or non-fictional monarchy/priestocracy/gerontocracy has any socialistic aspects beyond "they shared things sometimes."
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Oct 16, 2018 15:22
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Don’t ronparu only get whatever the upper castes don’t want? That’s not even really sharing.
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Oct 16, 2018 15:42
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They literally are forced to live in the town's trash dump. If it wasn't for the smuggling of food, that would be all they are provided to eat.
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Oct 16, 2018 15:51
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Avalerion posted:Don’t ronparu only get whatever the upper castes don’t want? That’s not even really sharing. Honestly I'm not even sure what the exact rule is, they get a percentage of the total yield of the tribe right? Or is it that they all eat from the same pot?
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jokes posted:Honestly I'm not even sure what the exact rule is, they get a percentage of the total yield of the tribe right? Or is it that they all eat from the same pot? I think originally they all ate from the same pot essentially in order of caste. If your pot is big enough that everyone can have enough, its still really lovely but not as bad as Neketaka's situation. When someone can look at you and go "hey what the gently caress I need to eat too maybe don't go stuffing yourself to excess" there's a bit more social pressure than exists in Neketaka.
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RDC and Vailians are imperial scum and the whole “but caste system!” Is a classic colonialist justification for taking poo poo that’s not yours. The majority of Huana outside of the gullet seem perfectly happy with their lifestyle and it’s not for your dyrwoodian bitch rear end to tell them how to structure their society, especially given the widely acknowledged existence of reincarnation, ekera?
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We know reincarnation exists, but does that mean it takes the form their society believes it does? Have there been studies?
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We don’t known but does it matter? It won’t be you anymore, just a new person made up of your soul.
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Oct 16, 2018 16:20
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Unless you awaken, then it's the same you there too.
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Oct 16, 2018 16:40
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Next pillars game better be fully immersive open-world where you lead the socialist revolution.
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Starks posted:RDC and Vailians are imperial scum and the whole “but caste system!” Is a classic colonialist justification for taking poo poo that’s not yours. The majority of Huana outside of the gullet seem perfectly happy with their lifestyle and it’s not for your dyrwoodian bitch rear end to tell them how to structure their society, especially given the widely acknowledged existence of reincarnation, ekera? For the Roparu, starving to death but having your Huana overlords be fabulously wealthy because of your labor is not the preferred outcome to having food and having your RDC/VTC overlords be fabulously wealthy because of your labor. The Dyrwoodan isn't advocating a revolution, they're advocating not valuing hosed up tradition over feeding the people. jokes fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Oct 16, 2018 |
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Oct 16, 2018 17:23
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Until some blight hits the fields your colonial overlords let you use and they refuse to stop exporting the rest of the food your people produce, sending the population of your island into a nosedive for the next 100 years.
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jokes posted:For the Roparu, starving to death but having your Huana overlords be fabulously wealthy because of your labor is not the preferred outcome to having food and having your RDC/VTC overlords be fabulously wealthy because of your labor. The Dyrwoodan isn't advocating a revolution, they're advocating not valuing hosed up tradition over feeding the people. You can actually do a quest that helps them get food from the crown. You can’t do a quest that prevents the RDC or VTC from being colonialist assholes unless you wipe them out.
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this is why being a pirate is the only moral choice as you'd either be stealing from the imperialists or the landed gentry of the huana
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DrPop posted:History and modern circumstance continues to prove him wrong. I don't know much about Marx' theories, but wasn't he basically saying that capitalism is poo poo and the biggest threat to mankind, would lead to huge inequalities, etc. ? Because if so, I think that bit is right on the money. It's exactly what we're seeing right now.
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Furism posted:I don't know much about Marx' theories, but wasn't he basically saying that capitalism is poo poo and the biggest threat to mankind, would lead to huge inequalities, etc. ? Because if so, I think that bit is right on the money. It's exactly what we're seeing right now. I think it's safe to say he certainly thought it would lead to huge inequality between the haves and the have-nots, yes. I was saying that in reference to "Classical Marxist Determinist" view of social progression as Feudalism -> Capitalism -> Communism and This Is The Only Way to Do Things. I find this to be a particularly important part of Marxism to critique, as in my opinion the most promising truly libertarian (in the leftist sense, not the American "consumer's rights"/Gadsden Flag bullshit sense), radical social revolutions have historically occurred in territories that are generally considered economically and socially "underdeveloped." This includes historically anarchist Spain and Catalonia and the left-libertarian elements of the Russian Revolution and contemporarily the Zapatista territories and Rojava.
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DrPop posted:I think it's safe to say he certainly thought it would lead to huge inequality between the haves and the have-nots, yes. Okay thanks for clarifying. However what you said in your second paragraph doesn't match what I've seen so let me comment on it  I believe France was one of the first nation where anarchist ideas took off (after Spain), which also led some of them to become home-grown terrorists (which is what gave "anarchy" its bad name, now associated with "chaos", but it's not what it is) who wanted to start a revolution. France is also famous for its Revolution, which is probably the largest social revolution that ever happened (think about it: throwing out nobility and monarchy after being under that regime, or variations of it, for literally more than a thousand years). In both times (early 20th and late 18th centuries) France was one of the richest country in the West. And to be honest, whenever the next (social) revolution will happen (I don't know if it's going to be two years or 100 years from now, but something will happen), it'll probably start in the West first, too.
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Starks and Kassad know what's up. Also, I'm glad that if you side with the New Blood pirates the ending slides are effectively, "It's 24/7 raping, murdering, and pillaging across the Deadfire, now. I hope you're happy you swamp donkey." Amazingly enough, having the best set of amusing one-liners doesn't translate to a well-governed region.
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How are u posted:Next pillars game better be fully immersive open-world where you lead the socialist revolution. phil spencer's microsof is going to radicalize gamers
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Oct 16, 2018 20:50
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Any hidden Gotchas for inviting undesireables into your ship crew? You know, drunks, cannibals, kobolds. (also the kobold is my best crewperson, adorable)
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Agent355 posted:Any hidden Gotchas for inviting undesireables into your ship crew? You know, drunks, cannibals, kobolds. The main gotcha with ship crews is each crew member has five stars max total so to get a max skill cannoneer that cannoneer can't have any stars in anything but cannon
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The main gotcha with ship crews is each crew member has five stars max total so to get a max skill cannoneer that cannoneer can't have any stars in anything but cannon The anti gotcha being that shipmate skill level does nothing outside of a couple CYOA sequences which rarely matter and ship battles - and fighting ship to ship is sub optimal to boarding. edit: uh, offer void during storms, unless you've got That Voulge. There is an auto gameover path there iirc Grimoire fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Oct 16, 2018 |
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Oct 16, 2018 23:17
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I love blowing up ships with my cannons and it's pretty easy to boot.
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Grimoire posted:The anti gotcha being that shipmate skill level does nothing outside of a couple CYOA sequences which rarely matter and ship battles - and fighting ship to ship is sub optimal to boarding.
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Greedy and / or malicious crew members exist to cause random morale drops. Religious crew exist to scream YOU WILL REGRET THIS when you walk under a ladder or whatever
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Ravenfood posted:How? I was pretty sure having the voulge makes you effectively immune to storms. sorry, shouldve made that more clear. Storms CYOA have an instadeath path, avoidable with crewmate skill. Or you can just voulge it to avoid the whole mess.
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Grimoire posted:The anti gotcha being that shipmate skill level does nothing outside of a couple CYOA sequences which rarely matter and ship battles - and fighting ship to ship is sub optimal to boarding. I think having high level deckhands also makes your ship go faster.
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I'd also like to remind everyone that the entire Huana society in Nekataka is based on some pretty hosed up poo poo. That dragon being a magical slave does not cast their system in a good light at all and it's why I chose not to side with them first time around.
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What's the Voulge?
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Grimoire posted:The anti gotcha being that shipmate skill level does nothing outside of a couple CYOA sequences which rarely matter and ship battles - and fighting ship to ship is sub optimal to boarding. And the ultimate twist gotcha being that you get more loot from boarding actions anyway, to the point that -- and this is really the kicker -- if you buy the big ship and all the fancy guns and use it to sweep the map of every available ship encounter, you won't make back the cost of the big ship or the fancy guns.
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Oct 17, 2018 01:22
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Are moon godlikes supposed to be related to Wael or Eothas? I used to think it was Ondra because of her moon obsession but now we know she has fish children.
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Starks posted:Are moon godlikes supposed to be related to Wael or Eothas? I used to think it was Ondra because of her moon obsession but now we know she has fish children. I think still Ondra. Ondra also has aspects associated with the moon.
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I'd play the poo poo out of a Wael godlike.
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DrPop posted:What's the Voulge? Lord Darryn's Voulge https://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/Lord_Darryn's_Voulge Found on an island that you need to sail through a never-moving storm to get through. Will let you ignore every storm after that one.
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if you don't get the voulge is there any benefit / reward to sailing through storms? there's never been a situation in the game where a storm was in my path and i HAD to go through it with no other option to go around, so i've literally never sailed into one, but from what i've read they're basically just CYOA things where the best outcome is that nobody dies and you don't lose too many resources. can you actually gain anything from the random storms or are they just minor inconveniences you have to dodge occasionally?
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Freaking Crumbum posted:if you don't get the voulge is there any benefit / reward to sailing through storms? there's never been a situation in the game where a storm was in my path and i HAD to go through it with no other option to go around, so i've literally never sailed into one, but from what i've read they're basically just CYOA things where the best outcome is that nobody dies and you don't lose too many resources. You get a small amount of crew experience I suppose?
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Freaking Crumbum posted:if you don't get the voulge is there any benefit / reward to sailing through storms? there's never been a situation in the game where a storm was in my path and i HAD to go through it with no other option to go around, so i've literally never sailed into one, but from what i've read they're basically just CYOA things where the best outcome is that nobody dies and you don't lose too many resources. Not really, some marginal crew xp. Mostly it is just a tax on attention, so sail around
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Freaking Crumbum posted:if you don't get the voulge is there any benefit / reward to sailing through storms? there's never been a situation in the game where a storm was in my path and i HAD to go through it with no other option to go around, so i've literally never sailed into one, but from what i've read they're basically just CYOA things where the best outcome is that nobody dies and you don't lose too many resources. You definitely need to do it to get the voulge, and they tend to linger outside of ashen maw and poko kahara so if you don’t feel like waiting you might have to run into them. Ginette Reno posted:I think still Ondra. Ondra also has aspects associated with the moon. I guess gods can have more than one then, there’s still hope for ice godlikes or a different Galawain aspect. Wonder what a Woedica godlike would look like Starks fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Oct 17, 2018 |
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