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Terrible Opinions posted:I don't think there have been any other highly sexual serial killers given a positive make over at least in the TV shows
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Oct 19, 2018 06:47
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It was really weird when characters started asking where Jack was when she wasn't onscreen
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Oct 19, 2018 07:06
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Especially when arturia did it
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Oct 19, 2018 07:07
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Endorph posted:yeah ill never forget the scene in the show where everyone goes 'boy jack it sure was great when you murdered those hookers' and then everyone put her on their shoulders going 'jack! jack! jack!'
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Oct 19, 2018 07:40
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Could you explain how Jack's victims are 'coded as deserving their fates?' Like, I get what you mean with Jason, I just don't get how that applies to Jack because the framing of the characters is completely different, and also near as I can tell/remember we never see literally anyone Jack killed. Is it the 'she's made from the souls of aborted/murdered children' thing? Because most of the framing there seems to be on '19th century London was horrible for forcing women to do that and it created this monster,' not 'those individual women got abortions/killed their kids just because'
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Oct 19, 2018 07:47
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It's really the 'she's made from the souls of aborted/murdered children' thing. Like stupid character design aside what she does in the present is fine. But her backstory being "is Jack the Ripper" combined with the aborted children thing kinda turns a case of serial murders into a gross karmic punishment.
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Oct 19, 2018 07:54
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Endorph posted:yeah ill never forget the scene in the show where everyone goes 'boy jack it sure was great when you murdered those hookers' and then everyone put her on their shoulders going 'jack! jack! jack!' 
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Oct 19, 2018 12:48
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Terrible Opinions posted:It's really the 'she's made from the souls of aborted/murdered children' thing. Like stupid character design aside what she does in the present is fine. But her backstory being "is Jack the Ripper" combined with the aborted children thing kinda turns a case of serial murders into a gross karmic punishment. (she's not actually Jack the Ripper)
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Oct 19, 2018 14:00
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If you want to criticize something more sensible, criticize that they put the little girl in a thong and no pants
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Oct 19, 2018 14:30
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Piell posted:If you want to criticize something more sensible, criticize that they put the little girl in a thong and no pants Designed by the same guy as this:  Is it really a surprise? (Man it's been 7+ years...) Anyways, I was going through stuff to check how old the design is and came across something much more important: (source 1, source 2):  We've got FGO, it's the perfect place to add silly stuff, make it happen TM.
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Oct 19, 2018 14:45
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Kyte posted:(she's not actually Jack the Ripper)
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Oct 19, 2018 14:56
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Is that Cardcaptor? Sorry but Beatrice from Umineko is first in line if we are grabbing Casters from other franchises.
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Oct 19, 2018 14:57
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Honestly, this jack’s existence is more like Nursery Rhyme than history canon.
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Oct 19, 2018 15:03
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Nate RFB posted:Is that Cardcaptor? Sorry but Beatrice from Umineko is first in line if we are grabbing Casters from other franchises. It's Yukika, the track girl that has a crush on Rin. Cardcaptor Sakura is Jack and Nero.
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Oct 19, 2018 15:44
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Theoretically it’s not impossible, they are overdue for a prisma cosmos rerun and if it follows the KnK and Zero pattern it’ll come with a new related four star. It’ll probably just be Miyu, though. (It should be Kaleido Ruby because we need more Rin)
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Oct 19, 2018 16:02
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Bakanogami posted:It should be Kaleido Ruby because we need more Rin You say this while there is no Luvia in game, how dare you.
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Oct 19, 2018 17:07
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Luvia recorded lines for FGO recently, and there's always a dead period for reruns to happen on jaunary/february.
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Oct 19, 2018 17:12
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Green Tea Erotica posted:You say this while there is no Luvia in game, how dare you. As a compromise just add Luvia alongside with more Rin.
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Oct 19, 2018 17:19
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Honestly, they should have made Erishkegal be Luvia unless there's some lore reason it couldn't be that I don't know about.
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Oct 19, 2018 17:42
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Robviously posted:Honestly, they should have made Erishkegal be Luvia unless there's some lore reason it couldn't be that I don't know about. There's a major reason why in the babylonia singularity.
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Oct 19, 2018 19:30
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Tae posted:Luvia recorded lines for FGO recently, and there's always a dead period for reruns to happen on jaunary/february. Terrible Opinions posted:It's really the 'she's made from the souls of aborted/murdered children' thing. Like stupid character design aside what she does in the present is fine. But her backstory being "is Jack the Ripper" combined with the aborted children thing kinda turns a case of serial murders into a gross karmic punishment. I do not think that the writers of Fate/Apocrypha think whores should be murdered.
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Oct 19, 2018 22:22
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Endorph posted:She said she recorded lines, but she didn't specify when she did, and FGO records lines ludicrously far in advance. Sieg's VA recorded lines before the Apocrypha anime had even started airing, and it was like a year before he was in the game. Aoi Yuuki recorded lines for Okita Alter at the same time she recorded lines for Okita, and Okita Alter was added like 2 and a half years after regular Okita. I wouldn't be surprised if they have recorded dialogue for a lot of characters laying around, like Bazett and Caren. Didn't Sakura Tange's imdb profile or some other site list one of her roles in FGO as "Mother Harlot" at some point before being taken down? Which means they probably already have lines recorded for a future Nero Alter character.
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Oct 19, 2018 22:46
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Endorph posted:Literally nothing in the text or subtext ever remotely implies murder is a good thing or that the people she killed in the past somehow deserved it, and in fact everyone except Atalante treats her as a horrible murder monster, which she is, and Atalante only treats her that way because of her own issues, and she's fundamentally incapable of understanding what she's doing as murder.
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Oct 20, 2018 00:29
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Terrible Opinions posted:Yeah I doubt they thought about it much either, given the whole lack of thought they put into most things in the series. They just happened to create a universe in which whores happened to be magically murdered by a magical being made out of aborted and abandoned babies. So how would you have handled a character inspired by Jack the Ripper considering the impact they have had on cultural history and how little we actually know about it?
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Oct 20, 2018 00:32
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Hunt11 posted:So how would you have handled a character inspired by Jack the Ripper considering the impact they have had on cultural history and how little we actually know about it? Strange/Fake Jack
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Oct 20, 2018 00:36
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Hunt11 posted:So how would you have handled a character inspired by Jack the Ripper considering the impact they have had on cultural history and how little we actually know about it? Plutonis posted:Strange/Fake Jack
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Oct 20, 2018 00:46
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Terrible Opinions posted:Yeah I doubt they thought about it much either, given the whole lack of thought they put into most things in the series. They just happened to create a universe in which whores happened to be magically murdered by a magical being made out of aborted and abandoned babies. Apo Jack is really more like the spirit of the Industrial Revolution than whatever weird wraith hellbent on killing whores thing you think she is. And well, the Industrial Revolution definitely chewed up a lot of poor people if nothing else.
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Oct 20, 2018 01:15
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Terrible Opinions posted:They just happened to create a universe in which whores happened to be magically murdered by a magical being made out of aborted and abandoned babies. quote:However, even they themselves do not know for certain whether or not they were “Jack the Ripper”. After all, they are an amalgamation of evil spirits, so their memories are always vague. What they kill as Assassin is not a specific individual, but rather the society that killed them. so, uh, no. No. The thing you're saying is factually untrue.
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Oct 20, 2018 01:39
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Terrible Opinions posted:It's really the 'she's made from the souls of aborted/murdered children' thing. Like stupid character design aside what she does in the present is fine. But her backstory being "is Jack the Ripper" combined with the aborted children thing kinda turns a case of serial murders into a gross karmic punishment. What? I'm not sure if you just really misinterpreted what Jack was or if you're trying to get worked up about something, but I genuinely can't figure out how you got this interpretation. Murder Daughter Jack wasn't an avenging ghost of dead babies or something back when she/they were alive in London. She was a girl who had ??? happen to her parents, and she then went on to cut up prostitutes before dying. The spirits of abandoned children combining together to make the servant of Jack wasn't something that happened until after she died. Good Girl, Jack. 
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Oct 20, 2018 01:46
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Endorph posted:so, uh, no. No. The thing you're saying is factually untrue.
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Oct 20, 2018 03:02
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Terrible Opinions posted:Yeah I doubt they thought about it much either, given the whole lack of thought they put into most things in the series. 
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Oct 20, 2018 03:03
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Dude what the gently caress are you smoking
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Oct 20, 2018 03:15
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Terrible Opinions posted:Then why call her Jack the Ripper? Why did the author? because the servant system is weird and mashes stuff into historical figure-shaped containers like kojiro isn't kojiro, and I'm sure there are deeper lore pulls of weird servants someone more versed could make
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Oct 20, 2018 03:22
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i mean i think everyone can agree we would not be having this conversation in this way if jack had pants thats probably not in question
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Oct 20, 2018 03:28
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given how people get about fapo in general, i wouldn't put money on it
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Oct 20, 2018 03:29
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i'm going to be honest, speaking as a decently big Fate fan nothing Terrible Opinions is saying is really, like, that invalid like obviously we know the deep lore reasons why Jack is... the way Jack is, but that whole situation is a really loving bad look when you don't know those reasons, and i'm willing to go as far as "even when you do know what's going on in depth it's still kinda  "
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Oct 20, 2018 03:58
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also, god drat y'all get pissy when people criticize this franchise.
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Oct 20, 2018 04:01
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:i'm going to be honest, speaking as a decently big Fate fan nothing Terrible Opinions is saying is really, like, that invalid 
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Oct 20, 2018 04:02
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Terrible Opinions posted:Then why call her Jack the Ripper? Why did the author? Do you actually interact with Fate stuff past skimming a wiki or something dude.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:also, god drat y'all get pissy when people criticize this franchise.
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