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Gatts posted:If Lowtax were to devote time to make this site well it’d resurge IMO. But it’s probably secondary to his main job or life Everytime lowtax comes back to actively moderate and manage the forums they get worse quickly
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FilthyImp posted:There was an attempt to Make SA Funny Again after Kiwifarms made anti-klurfing memes, but that didn't go so well. In my view the reason I SA used to be funny is because of the kinds of posters that once thrived here. This used to be a place where effortposts were rewarded with effortposts in response. And while it's not like every effort poster every thread was good or anything like that, but the kind of poster who made SA what it used to be is drawn to an environment where there's lots of effort posting going on. Basically every time lowtax gets involved he winds up making changes that drive that kind of poster away, and that's why there's been this decline over the years and the quality of posting here. At the end of the day low-tax is a white boy from Missouri and based on some of the private communications I've seen between him and some of the mods- he is extremely blinded by his privilege. Well-intentioned mind you, but extremely blinded by his privilege.
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Prester Jane posted:I believe this is also why whenever you have the situation arise in history where you have 1.) an entrenched Elite Class caught between 2.) rising fascism on one side and an 3.) an energized leftist movement on the other- the elites will always choose to support the fascists over the leftist. This is because they always view the fascists as an incompetent threat to the status quo, whereas they view the leftist as a competent threat to their control of the status quo. In their minds than they see an energized leftist movement as a more significant threat to their power than fascism presents. You can see this today in articles about the Proud Boys vs. breathless fear mongering about antifa.
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420 Gank Mid posted:Everytime lowtax comes back to actively moderate and manage the forums they get worse quickly Collectivize SA Prester Jane posted:I believe this is also why whenever you have the situation arise in history where you have 1.) an entrenched Elite Class caught between 2.) rising fascism on one side and an 3.) an energized leftist movement on the other- the elites will always choose to support the fascists over the leftist. This is because they always view the fascists as an incompetent threat to the status quo, whereas they view the leftist as a competent threat to their control of the status quo. In their minds than they see an energized leftist movement as a more significant threat to their power than fascism presents. Fascism typically tends to function as a defence mechanism for capitalism in times of crisis, either to attack or as an alternative to the left, hence the phrase "fascism is capitalism in decline". You can see this today in Brazil, where Bolsonaro - over his socdem rival - has the support of bourgeois neoliberal types who would more likely support Hillary in the USA. This also demonstrates the need for antifascists to ultimately also be anti-capitalist.
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Oct 20, 2018 03:04
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Catboy Autonomist posted:Fascism typically tends to function as a defense mechanism for capitalism in times of crisis, either to attack or as an alternative to the left, hence the phrase "fascism is capitalism in decline" It's really cute how people say this with a straight face.
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Oct 20, 2018 04:09
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fishmech posted:It's really cute how people say this with a straight face. 
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Oct 20, 2018 04:13
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fishmech posted:It's really cute how people say this with a straight face. Whatever you say, comrade-major anime avatar. Besides, the better saying is "Fascism is colonialism brought home." I like yer postin' friend.
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Oct 20, 2018 04:19
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Yes yes I get it, college philosophy 101 blew your mind, maan. It's still a bogus statement.
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Oct 20, 2018 04:53
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When you make your new thread make sure to link it, some of us aren't cspammers.
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Oct 20, 2018 05:12
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fishmech posted:Yes yes I get it, college philosophy 101 blew your mind, maan. It's still a bogus statement. You haven't even elaborated but until then keep
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Fascism definitely seems to spring up whenever liberalism fails. Which is often because liberalism is an ideology of failure.
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Oct 20, 2018 05:52
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Catboy Autonomist posted:You haven't even elaborated but until then keep There's nothing to elaborate on, dude. Your bargain basement slogan is hardly a thesis, and your praxis is poo poo. Mantis42 posted:Fascism definitely seems to spring up whenever liberalism fails. Again, no. Let's take a look at Trump support for instance - very heavy among wealthy white people who have long opposed liberalism and were particularly angry that liberal practices were popular. Or if we want to talk the Nazis themselves, they were for the most part quite unpopular with the people that the Weimar Republic failed, and of course the Weimar Republic was throughout its entire life full of directly anti-liberal sentiment actively attempting to tear it all down and at best revert to Kaiser-era much more limited democracy.
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So is this yet another person who refuses to realise that 'liberal' and 'left' are being used to mean different things here
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Ghost Leviathan posted:So is this yet another person who refuses to realise that 'liberal' and 'left' are being used to mean different things here No, dude. Unless you sincerely think Republicans or the Deutschnationale Volkspartei believed in representative democracy, in which case gently caress, you're probably ignorant enough to have voted for Trump. You could do with a lot less straight up buying into hitler's/trump's propaganda lines about how clearly the majority of Real Citizens are with them and a little more critical thinking. fishmech fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Oct 20, 2018 |
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fishmech posted:No, dude. Unless you sincerely think Republicans or the Deutschnationale Volkspartei believed in representative democracy, in which case gently caress, you're probably ignorant enough to have voted for Trump. 
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Oct 20, 2018 07:07
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Fishmech failing to understand that liberalism is an ideological movement older than the United States is pretty great.
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EdithUpwards posted:Fishmech failing to understand that liberalism is an ideological movement older than the United States is pretty great. Slightly unfair to put Fishmech under the spotlight for a distinction lost on an enormous swathe of this subforum.
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fishmech posted:There's nothing to elaborate on, dude. Your bargain basement slogan is hardly a thesis, and your praxis is poo poo. gently caress it, I'll bite. Your response to Catboy Autonomist posted:Fascism typically tends to function as a defence mechanism for capitalism in times of crisis, either to attack or as an alternative to the left, hence the phrase "fascism is capitalism in decline". You can see this today in Brazil, where Bolsonaro - over his socdem rival - has the support of bourgeois neoliberal types who would more likely support Hillary in the USA. This also demonstrates the need for antifascists to ultimately also be anti-capitalist. fishmech posted:It's really cute how people say this with a straight face. I would like to hear your full argument as to why Catboy's post is wrong.
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Office Pig posted:Slightly unfair to put Fishmech under the spotlight for a distinction lost on an enormous swathe of this subforum. Well I’m not the smartest boy in America so
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Mantis42 posted:Fascism definitely seems to spring up whenever liberalism fails. Which is often because liberalism is an ideology of failure. A big difference between fascism and liberalism is that it's easier to convince right wing people to march in lockstep and get extremely organized. It doesn't last once they get power, power corrupts, infighting starts, and the people they're oppressing fight back (see: every authoritarian government and, you know, the U.S. literally right now) but once the threat is perceived to be big enough they get very organized and very nasty. Leftists will argue minutia even when the enemy is through the gates. The right fights very dirty and just doesn't care if they have to break the rules and do horrible things. The left is far less keen on just outright forcing people to do things.
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Fascism and socialism both spring up whenever civil government.of whatever kind - liberal, monarchist, etc -- isn't meeting the needs of the population.
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fishmech posted:Yes yes I get it, college philosophy 101 blew your mind, maan. It's still a bogus statement. hmmm i wonder why PJ wants to move this thread to a forum you're not allowed to post in it's a mystery, folks!
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Torchlighter posted:gently caress it, I'll bite. Your response to Here's the full response: it is wrong. It is that simple. It is not a defense mechanism for capitalism. To say otherwise is to massively misrepresent all relevant parties' interests and motivations. It really seems like some of you only ever took surface level history classes and then took Hitler straight at his word. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Fascism and socialism both spring up whenever civil government.of whatever kind - liberal, monarchist, etc -- isn't meeting the needs of the population. Wrong. Socialism springs up when the civil government isn't meeting the needs of the population. Fascism springs up when the mid-to-wealthy classes get pissy, usually with little reason (see fanatical Trump support among whites who are by all measures doing great but are angry a black guy might get to earn an extra dollar). These are entirely separate things. Not to mention that fascism is nearly a century newer than socialism, and has frequently not shown up afterwards even when socialism was showing up, it's pretty clear the motivations are nowhere near as simple as you're trying to allege. EdithUpwards posted:Fishmech failing to understand that liberalism is an ideological movement older than the United States is pretty great. You really don't know what liberalism is besides "thing I'm scared of". 
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The revolution will be animated!
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fishmech posted:Here's the full response: it is wrong. It is that simple. It is not a defense mechanism for capitalism. To say otherwise is to massively misrepresent all relevant parties' interests and motivations. Are you going to ignore the "alternative to the left" part because that's pretty loving important as its not going to be v effective if socialist sentiment is already sufficiently strong i.e. The Nazis came to power in 1933, 14 years after the German Revolution had been crushed, Trump came to power after 30 years of overwhelming dominance of neoliberalism ("there is no alternative")
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yeah I'm gonna check outta this thread until it hits cspam
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Catboy Autonomist posted:Are you going to ignore the "alternative to the left" part because that's pretty loving important as its not going to be v effective if socialist sentiment is already sufficiently strong You just keep illustrating how your statement isn't true. Trump came to power because of the established wealthy and near-wealthy who were not in any way countering a serious leftist movement, and were doing very well under "neoliberalism". Similarly Hitler barely managed to ge into power as a shrinking minority party because the established anti-liberal-democracy conservative parties couldn't trust each other enough to destroy the Weimar Republic on their own terms to revert to Kaiserine limited democracy in oligarchy But you seem to be one of those people who thinks Bernie Sanders, an established wealthy neoliberal, is a socialist so lol good luck with your inability to comprehend politics.
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fishmech posted:But you seem to be one of those people who thinks Bernie Sanders, an established wealthy neoliberal, is a socialist so lol good luck with your inability to comprehend politics. lol if you think i am a socdem lol that you continued to ignore the fact that i outright said trump arose in place of any actual alternative google gilles dauve bich (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Yall gonna be arguing with each other as the redhats toss as in the ovens, jeebus!
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Peanut Butler posted:yeah I'm gonna check outta this thread until it hits cspam Save us, Jane.
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Thalantos posted:Yall gonna be arguing with each other as the redhats toss as in the ovens, jeebus! Apologies for the arguing but eh, headasses gonna headass ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Catboy Autonomist posted:lol if you think i am a socdem Trump didn't arise "in place of alternatives". Trump is in line with the Republican mainstream of anti-democracy and racism that is the Republican party. The dude didn't even acheive plurality of votes or anything like that, he relied on longstanding abuse of the electoral system by his party. This is why it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about.
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fishmech posted:But you seem to be one of those people who thinks Bernie Sanders, an established wealthy neoliberal, is a socialist so lol good luck with your inability to comprehend politics. Can we get the N-word filter turned back on?
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New thread going up Monday.Jazerus posted:hmmm i wonder why PJ wants to move this thread to a forum you're not allowed to post in
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https://mobile.twitter.com/SallyAlbright/status/1053427729482350592
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I'm vaguely aware that Sally Albright is a tremendous piece of admit but she's one among many and there's too many to keep straight.
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Pope Guilty posted:I'm vaguely aware that Sally Albright is a tremendous piece of admit but she's one among many and there's too many to keep straight. Albright is a HRC devotee to the deadest of ends and a financial backer behind a fleet of Shareblue bots. Former Gingrich stooge, as well.
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Albright is a turd using persona management software and bots, to amplify her lovely opinions, btw. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5aa2f548e4b07047bec68023/comments
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Office Pig posted:Slightly unfair to put Fishmech under the spotlight for a distinction lost on an enormous swathe of this subforum. Not when he's such a gigantic condescending prick about it.
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T-man posted:The revolution will be animated!
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