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BIG HEADLINE posted:X399 Designare-EX has five full lengths plus three M.2. That actually looks pretty good, although I wonder if the card slots are spaced far enough apart to not have overlap from some of the bigger (wider) cards -- I would assume they would have thought through that though. Only other issue I see is that I was going to build this rig using an Intel Xeon E5-2650 v4 and the specs say it only supports Threadrippers. What would be an equivalent AMD processor to a Xeon E5-2650 v4?
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Ice Fist posted:Okay friends, within the next month I'll be looking to upgrade my PC. It's sort of a franken-PC that I've been upgrading at various steps since I started doing my own builds 10-11 years ago. It has an i7-2600 (at least 5, but maybe 6 years old I can't really tell but it's older than my first SSD which I got in 2013 according to some e-mail receipts), with a measly 8Gb of DDR3 and a Geforce 970 for a GPU. My latest upgrade was a Fractal R4 and a Noctura CPU fan a little over a year and a half ago. Reposting this. Trying to get feedback.
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MarksMan posted:That actually looks pretty good, although I wonder if the card slots are spaced far enough apart to not have overlap from some of the bigger (wider) cards -- I would assume they would have thought through that though. Only other issue I see is that I was going to build this rig using an Intel Xeon E5-2650 v4 and the specs say it only supports Threadrippers. What would be an equivalent AMD processor to a Xeon E5-2650 v4? From a little Googling, I found this as well: https://www.officedepot.com/a/produ...wE&gclsrc=aw.ds Ice Fist posted:Reposting this. Trying to get feedback. It looks like a good build. Here are some edits: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qCFVCb 1) There are a lot of good competitors to the 970 EVO coming out soon - chief among them is the Corsair MP510, which kicks the 1TB 970's rear end at 960GB in both R/W and IOPS. 2) I've heard nothing but horror stories about how difficult the Dark Rock 4 is to mount, whereas I've heard nothing but glowing reviews about how easy the Noctuas are. If you want to obscure the ugly beige fan for whatever reason, they sell Chromax kits for that now. Obviously there's also the regular D15, but you selecting the DR4 tells me you want less noise, hence the D15S. 3) Changed your PSU to one with a 12 year warranty. 4) The price has gone up recently (likely due to tariffs), but the R6 is a better case than the Define S. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Oct 21, 2018 |
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Ice Fist posted:Reposting this. Trying to get feedback. The rest of your system is fine, you just have to look in your wallet and your heart to see what you want to spend to chase 4k/60 e: eurogamer have a wordy chartless writeup that's otherwise the information you're looking for vis-a-vis setting expectations - https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-10-17-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-benchmarks-7001
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BIG HEADLINE posted:From a little Googling, I found this as well: https://www.officedepot.com/a/produ...wE&gclsrc=aw.ds I just don't get how that spacing works unless I'm not getting a good idea of the scale from the pic. Of all the 1070ti's manufacturers I could use, even the smallest/thinnest one, a Gigabyte 1070ti 3 fan, seems like it would overlap the PCIe slot next to it, essentially making it so I could only use every other one? I've had this problem a lot with PCIe x1 slots, where usually the two closest to the front of the fans get covered up when the GPU0 card is plugged into the x16 lane
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MarksMan posted:I just don't get how that spacing works unless I'm not getting a good idea of the scale from the pic. Of all the 1070ti's manufacturers I could use, even the smallest/thinnest one, a Gigabyte 1070ti 3 fan, seems like it would overlap the PCIe slot next to it, essentially making it so I could only use every other one? I've had this problem a lot with PCIe x1 slots, where usually the two closest to the front of the fans get covered up when the GPU0 card is plugged into the x16 lane Ideally you'd be using something like Quadro P4000s, but I've a feeling you're paying out of pocket for this. The only way it'd work is if you set up a miner-style hanging rig and used risers, or spent as much as a full rack of P4000s and set up a custom loop for the GPUs. And even then you'd likely have to lose the backplates, since chopping them down would void your warranty. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Oct 21, 2018 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Ideally you'd be using something like Quadro P4000s, but I've a feeling you're paying out of pocket for this. The only way it'd work is if you set up a miner-style hanging rig and used risers, or spent as much as a full rack of P4000s and set up a custom loop for the GPUs. And even then you'd likely have to lose the backplates, since chopping them down would void your warranty. Ideally, that's what I would like to do since I have tons of 8 card and a few 12 card hanging/open air rig structures. It would be great if I was able to just find a motherboard that could support that amount of RAM with enough x1 slots to use with a hanging rig. It would make it so I essentially only have to buy a new mobo, processor (have a ton of Celeron's and one 1920x I got from a trade with a goon recently) and the RAM sticks. Just that amount of RAM and processor needed alone aren't exactly cheap.
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MarksMan posted:Ideally, that's what I would like to do since I have tons of 8 card and a few 12 card hanging/open air rig structures. It would be great if I was able to just find a motherboard that could support that amount of RAM with enough x1 slots to use with a hanging rig. It would make it so I essentially only have to buy a new mobo, processor (have a ton of Celeron's and one 1920x I got from a trade with a goon recently) and the RAM sticks. Just that amount of RAM and processor needed alone aren't exactly cheap. You might want to wait for the Z399 (supposedly) coming in November, then. Those will support up to 68 PCIe lanes, and there might be a few insane EATX+ content creator boards that might meet your guidelines.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:From a little Googling, I found this as well: https://www.officedepot.com/a/produ...wE&gclsrc=aw.ds 1) This build wasn't going to be an instant buy so I'm willing to wait for some better performing competitors. How long until these come out? 2) I can't tell you exactly why I picked that fan. I own a Noctua right now and I love it and I don't really mind the fan. I think I"ll go with that. 3) Appreciated 4) I have an R4 currently that I got last February. The only reason I went with the S was price. Based on the listed features it didn't seem like I was going to be missing much. What am I getting in the R6 over the S? Khablam posted:The top-crop of benchmark darlings typically do ~45fps ultra @ 4k on a 1080Ti, and ~60fps on a 2080Ti. Obviously, that ~45 can easily be compromised to 60 with very few sacrifices that'll actually be visible. I'm definitely the kind of person willing to go to 4k/60 with some compromises, especially since it looks like it'll save me 3-4 hundred. I've always been a middle of the road guy when it comes to graphics cards, never been willing to shell out the big bucks for the top shelf and when I see the prices on 2080TIs I start to immediately wonder what I'll get out of that over something not ~quite~ as good. I'm more comfortable with the normal 2080 so I think I'll be going with that.
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Ice Fist posted:What am I getting in the R6 over the S? Honestly, the built-in PWM fan hub (and the sound dampening) on the R6 is worth the price of admission to me - there's also a newer revision that has built-in USB-C Type 2: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352096 The version without the window is $20 cheaper. I was going to go with the updated R6 until the opportunity presented itself for me to get the Evolv X instead. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Oct 21, 2018 |
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What country are you in? United States, but moving to South Korea in a few weeks. What are you using the system for? Primarily gaming, although some light office work is possible as well. General games are Final Fantasy XIV, Monster Hunter: World, Warframe, and other Steam titles. What's your budget? I'm aiming for the area of $1500, in either country. Hey PC builders, a couple questions: I'm moving to South Korea in the next couple weeks and I've been debating between building a gaming PC in a smaller case to take with me or waiting until I'm set up over there to begin building. I've looked around for general advice on part prices between the US and Korea and I've gotten a lot of mixed signals. Does anyone have any experience and/or advice concerning building a gaming PC in Korea? Am I generally ok waiting to buy once I'm in the country, or will it be significantly cheaper to build with access to the US market? I'm looking for a general gaming build that can fit into a case like the Fractal Design Node 202, although I'm not averse to any other suggestions of other small cases.
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So here's my final list: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor (Purchased For $544.65) CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Rev 2 98.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (Purchased For $154.90) Motherboard: ASRock - Z390 Taichi Ultimate ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (Purchased For $299.99) Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (Purchased For $169.99) Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (Purchased For $147.99) Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card (Purchased For $1249.99) Case: Lian-Li - PC-O11DW ATX Full Tower Case (Purchased For $127.75) Power Supply: Corsair - RMx White 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $139.99) Case Fan: Corsair - LL120RGB LED (Three Fans With Lighting Node PRO) 43.2 CFM 120mm Fans (Purchased For $109.59) Case Fan: Corsair - LL120RGB LED (Three Fans With Lighting Node PRO) 43.2 CFM 120mm Fans (Purchased For $109.59) Case Fan: Corsair - LL140 RGB LED (TwoFans With Lighting Node PRO) 51.5 CFM 140mm Fans (Purchased For $91.95) Total: $3146.38 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-20 23:12 EDT-0400 I obviously haven't gotten the 9900k, but with these delays and the concerns about the heat, I feel like I might be ok just going with an 8700k. Thoughts? EDIT: Alternatively, how hard is it to sell CPUs? Is there a second hand market for them? I might just pick up the 8700k and pick up a 9900k at a later date. unpurposed fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Oct 21, 2018 |
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Ain't nobody getting a 9900K any time soon. Newegg had just shy of 14,000 preorders and got ~90 CPUs. Initial estimates for *total* US shipments was ~500 units. Not 500 pallets. 500 units. Amazon hasn't bothered saying how many preorders they have and how much stock they got. Details: https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9pvboa/i99900k_delay_thread/?sort=confidence
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Ain't nobody getting a 9900K any time soon. Newegg had just shy of 14,000 preorders and got ~90 CPUs. Initial estimates for *total* US shipments was ~500 units. Not 500 pallets. 500 units. Is this SOP for Intel? Do they always drastically undersupply new releases like this or what?
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My Amazon ordered 9900k showed as arriving Thursday, the 25th, then reverted back to no delivery estimate. I got passed around a bit and whoever I ended up with said their first shipment should arrive on Wednesday, but no promises.MarksMan posted:Is this SOP for Intel? Do they always drastically undersupply new releases like this or what? It happened with the Coffee Lake launch last year, so it's not out of character.
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VelociBacon posted:I wouldn't want to go back to 7 at this point and 10 does some things quite well. I'm a little curious - what would you miss in 7?
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HalloKitty posted:I'm a little curious - what would you miss in 7? Seeing file transfer rates when moving stuff around, the 'your phone' app where I can text and see the photos from my phone on my pc, being able to do dx12 things, win 10 fixed a video issue that a win7 reinstall didn't, better handling of h. 265 files, that sort of thing. VelociBacon fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Oct 21, 2018 |
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MarksMan posted:Ideally, that's what I would like to do since I have tons of 8 card and a few 12 card hanging/open air rig structures. It would be great if I was able to just find a motherboard that could support that amount of RAM with enough x1 slots to use with a hanging rig. It would make it so I essentially only have to buy a new mobo, processor (have a ton of Celeron's and one 1920x I got from a trade with a goon recently) and the RAM sticks. Just that amount of RAM and processor needed alone aren't exactly cheap. Why do you need so many cards? I feel like I'm missing some fundamental use case and I'm curious.
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A couple pages back but I didn't see an answer:emocrat posted:Where do I find [EVGA's Wednesday] sale? If you go to their website on Wednesdays and check the store, you'll see a big "Midweek Madness" banner up top; click that to see the list of eligible items.
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A Strange Aeon posted:Why do you need so many cards? I feel like I'm missing some fundamental use case and I'm curious. Machine Learning/Deep Learning.
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A Strange Aeon posted:Why do you need so many cards? I feel like I'm missing some fundamental use case and I'm curious. They were bought to diversify from only having ASIC's for mining since ASIC's are just bricks if the algo gets forked or better, more efficient machines are released. But the plan for buying all the GPU's (125+, about a dozen 1070's and 6-8 1060's, the rest 1070ti or better) from the start was also to use them for machine learning/dl purposes one day. I could make 3x as much as I make mining if I rented them out for ml/dl uses, going through a third party service, which is still only half of what AWS charges to do the same thing. Right now I'm just building a 1070ti rig or two for ml/dl to do Kaggle competitions with a friend who is a data scientist; I'm donating the electricity and machines for a few months at least. Planning on doing this competition to use news analytics to predict stock prices, with like a $50k reward. Either way though, I'm glad I have them because ml/dl is way more interesting to me than mining ever was. Unfortunately, I'm not a mathematician, but I feel I can still contribute through my resources, which is what I'm trying to do now. The plan with the GPU's has always been to use them for this, but I needed to make a little money back after the very significant expenditure that went in to getting my mining farm going. Hopefully I have time in the future to truly study and learn ml for myself
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I bit the bullet and ordered a load of components and put everything together today, I already had a pretty much brand new PSU (EVGA G3 750W) and GPU (EVGA 1070ti) already along with some SSDs and one HDD but everything else was new, specifically: Intel i5 9600K Asus Z390 TUF Gaming wifi (I'm not a mad overclocker and this was a mid range one, plus my previous Asus wifi card had dreadful driver support so I needed something with it built in) 16Gb of corsair 3200 RAM Samsung evo 970 500GB M2 SSD A ridiculously large Be Quiet Dark Rock cooler with a 135mm fan on it I was aiming to minimise noise and so far, i'm impressed. When the PSU fan shuts down at low load it's virtually silent. The HDD is the loudest thing i nthere now, until I remove it Some notes for anyone who's interested: * I/O shields have not got any better in the last few years and are still a total pain in the rear end to fit into place and get the motherboard into * The cooler mounting is directional but the instructions don't tell you that and rely on you noticing it on the diagram * Fractal and Asus seem to disagree about how many screw holes should be where on an ATX board as the case had a blanking stand off where a screw should be * On first boot, it got stuck in a boot loop which I think was the PSU doing a self test and caused me some alarm * The BIOS doesn't seem to like my keyboard if it's plugged into the rear USB ports, only if it's on the front panel * The Asus driver CD tries to install google Chrome, winRar, Daemon tools and Norton for god only knows what reason. Unfortunately the wifi doesn't work straight off in windows so you have to use it. It then immediately announced it needed an update and downloaded a 414mb wifi driver what the christ * The R6 case model I bought comes with a type C usb connector but this only fits onto a gen 2 motherboard header which I didn't think to look for. I'm not sure if there's an adapter that can be used to set this up or if I'm now stuck. * The R6 is very easy to work with but weighs an asbsolute ton, it's also pretty wide compared to the norm. * The EVGA powerlink thing for connecting graphics cards up sounds like the dumbest idea ever but it is actually pretty useful. I got it free though, suspect it's not worth whatever they actually charge for it. Powerful Two-Hander fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Oct 21, 2018 |
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:Some notes for anyone who's interested: A lot of motherboards do actually come with pre-installed IO shields attached now. I never thought separate shields were a problem but you'd disagree I guess. Fractal put a peg where a hole should be.  It's the middle one of nine so maybe it doesn't matter much.I recommend downloading all the drivers you need and putting them on your install media beforehand. At least all the motherboard related ones.
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Khablam posted:Break-even on mining right now is longer than any GPU's warranty, so in no sense do you "make back" the money. Again, the plan all along was to use the GPU's for ml/dl. Maybe that ever actually pays anything, maybe it doesn't. It's my money though, right? I've made far more money trading coins than I have mining them so far and that more than offsets any losses I've incurred. But, personally, I would like to see crypto succeed and become huge, although if it doesn't, it isn't like my world is going to collapse. I bought 100 S9's 10 months ago as a way to try in earnest to make money on mining; the GPU's were just a way to diversify and also to give myself some good resources in the future to use on the stuff I actually wanted to do, rather than what I could make money off of.
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Wooper posted:A lot of motherboards do actually come with pre-installed IO shields attached now. I never thought separate shields were a problem but you'd disagree I guess. io shields are the perfect combination of sharp and flimsy for ending up ripping a chunk out of a hand as you try to pop them into place in my (in fairness limited) experience. And yeah, I downloaded most of the drivers I needed in advance but forgot to move them off the one ssd I wasn't shifting and couldn't be bothered to move it thinking "how big can some drivers possibly be?".
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MarksMan posted:Again, the plan all along was to use the GPU's for ml/dl. Maybe that ever actually pays anything, maybe it doesn't. It's my money though, right? I've made far more money trading coins than I have mining them so far and that more than offsets any losses I've incurred. But, personally, I would like to see crypto succeed and become huge, although if it doesn't, it isn't like my world is going to collapse. I bought 100 S9's 10 months ago as a way to try in earnest to make money on mining; the GPU's were just a way to diversify and also to give myself some good resources in the future to use on the stuff I actually wanted to do, rather than what I could make money off of. e.g. the cheapest gtx 1070 bought new right now would cover its costs in a little under 3 years.
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Khablam posted:My point was the GPU wear isn't worth GPU mining anymore, even if you assume the electricity is free and you don't care about environmental impact one bit. That's true; and I do care about the environmental impact, although like many (but not all) things in life, I kind of have to make compromises to a degree.
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In October of 2018, cryptomining does not seem like something worth making a compromise on that for.
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Koramei posted:In October of 2018, cryptomining does not seem like something worth making a compromise on that for. To each his own I guess (cue "The Dude" Lebowski opinion meme.) The power just running the GPU rigs is pretty negligible to be honest. I used more electricity in my marijuana business in San Francisco, although I never felt bad about using electricity for that purpose. The ASIC's are extreme power hogs (any SHA-256 machines at least,) but they have been off for about 2 months, although I can't say it's for environmental reasons, rather it just wasn't profitable to have them running, even with my industrial power rates. But again, the GPU's were always intended to be used for ml/dl, which I consider a very worthy use of electricity.
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This is an advice and opinion thread. My opinion is that you are wasting money and wasting energy and that your endeavour is minor league but morally dubious. Further, you're making bad decisions and aren't going to find sympathy here. My advice is to post in the crypto thread or not at all about your dumb rig.
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LRADIKAL posted:This is an advice and opinion thread. Thanks broseph. "That's just like, your opinion, man." -- Jeff "The Dude" Lebowski Khablam posted:I'd consider "higher than the value of the product" more than negligible. Fair enough
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MarksMan posted:The power just running the GPU rigs is pretty negligible to be honest
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MarksMan posted:To each his own I guess (cue "The Dude" Lebowski opinion meme.) The power just running the GPU rigs is pretty negligible to be honest. I used more electricity in my marijuana business in San Francisco, although I never felt bad about using electricity for that purpose. The ASIC's are extreme power hogs (any SHA-256 machines at least,) but they have been off for about 2 months, although I can't say it's for environmental reasons, rather it just wasn't profitable to have them running, even with my industrial power rates. But again, the GPU's were always intended to be used for ml/dl, which I consider a very worthy use of electricity. Well, if you use electricity to grow marijuana, you end up with a whole bunch of marijuana, which probably improves the world in some small way. With crypto, you are literally throwing away electricity by design, and getting nothing in return. You're not solving anything or making anything, you're just trading watts for fundamentally pointless hashing algorithms.
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