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Haystack posted:Turkey I'm not too worried about, but Qatar I'm less certain about. I really don't know a ton about Qatar besides their Al-Jazeera cred. I wouldn't have expected the US to lick Saudi boots either, but hey, here were are. Qatar has enough money to throw at think tanks and stuff, but they're really not a heavyweight that can be a lynchpin of our foreign policy like Saudi Arabia. Their population makes Israel's look large.
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Haystack posted:So, as I understand it, the act of killing of Khashoggi isn't really all that new of a move for the Saudis. The usual play would have been to abduct him and fly him back to Saudi to disappear him. That was possibly even the plan, with his death at the consulate being a gently caress up that they tried to cover-up. Regardless, still very within the Saudi's normal MO. The Saudis pulled this poo poo and a bunch of other dumb poo poo in the last couple of years. Wouldn't it be nice to be allied with competent evil for a change?
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Awkward https://twitter.com/trtworldnow/status/1054342727351988224?s=21 [edit] They're so bad at crime https://twitter.com/nawaroliver/status/1054350246506041344?s=21 Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Oct 22, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/KSAmofaEN/status/1054346089141358597 Tomorrow Erdogan will be speaking, and has promised to detail the murder "in full nakedness", hopefully speaking about the details rather than his state of dress. The amount of information coming out today might be pre-empting the material revealed tomorrow. If there's audio played tomorrow then it'll be interesting to see the international reaction. I expect the EU will have a strong reaction and Trump will utterly some empty promises and hope it all goes away.
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Flavahbeast posted:A rouge operation.... The Saudis don't play when it comes to makeovers.
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Flavahbeast posted:A rouge operation.... 
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Brown Moses posted:https://twitter.com/KSAmofaEN/status/1054346089141358597 Screencapping this in case they wise up:  Will also cross-post to the awful charts and graphs thread, because LOL.
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Frightening Knight posted:I genuinely don't understand the point of the body double. Were they trying to establish some kind of alibi? it seems like it was for the "No, he's still alive, he left the embassy the same day and then disappeared" story they were pushing early on. the weird thing is that they never actually used these images to support that story, so maybe they knew that Turkey was on to their bullshit early on. or maybe the strategy was based on hoping Turkey would see him on surveillance and buy their story, and that never worked.
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Throatwarbler posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8rDHAQ09BM Chechen jihadis always look like a peek into what a Montana/Idaho islamist insurgency would look like.
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What I wouldn't give for audio of a call between MbS and Khashoggi.
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Some nerd managed to become a Finnish newspaper quiz answer.
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We've found the true victims here: https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1054337430390743040 The ghouls are expressing condolences for the murder they ordered now. https://twitter.com/KSAmofaEN/status/1054137658040033281 Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Oct 22, 2018 |
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Frightening Knight posted:I genuinely don't understand the point of the body double. Were they trying to establish some kind of alibi? He took a cab, so maybe the plan was that the driver would back the story. I just don't understand how they didn't think that there'd be CCTV everywhere they went in Istanbul. Or maybe these geniuses thought that security cameras in year 1440 after Hijra would record on betamax cassettes with grainy b/w quality.
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Frightening Knight posted:I genuinely don't understand the point of the body double. Were they trying to establish some kind of alibi? I don't get why they had a body double but didn't use him. To respond to the accusation that Khashoggi never left, the Saudis could have released footage of the double leaving the premises. Of course the Turks would have seen through it, but the Saudis didn't even try, they just said "he totally left" while giving no evidence. Or maybe they did, just behind the scenes? The whole thing is baffling.
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Count Roland posted:I don't get why they had a body double but didn't use him. The fiancee completely hosed up whatever Benny Hill routine they had planned. That's pretty much the only reason this story blew up. She went straight to the Turks when he took more than two hours to get his papers, and the Saudis clearly do not improvise well under time pressure.
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I hope they keep denying and there is something that ties directly to MbS. Not that he would necessarily be kicked out of the line of succession, his consolidation of power may have been too strong for this to change that. One thing I wonder is why his father didn't abdicate in favour of him officially.
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Coldwar timewarp posted:One thing I wonder is why his father didn't abdicate in favour of him officially. It's good to be the king.
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yeah not that im in a huge rush to see any of that imagery, but at some point there needs to be proof that this photo/audio/video collection exists beyond turkish news twitter insisting it exists. e; i'm seeing photos of sinaloa handiwork being passed off as being Kashoggi, but that's, y'know, not really the same thing. Willie Tomg fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Oct 22, 2018 |
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Sinteres posted:It's good to be the king. It seems like he abdicated a lot of the duties to his son anyway. I guess I dont understand these octagenarians who need to cling onto power until death. Or at least not in this case.
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Quick question, considering how vitally important both are in the region I really know nothing about Turkish-Iranian relations both now or in the recent past, obviously the Iranians are at the Saudi's throats but seeing Turkey's obvious bad blood with them too now, is there sign that Iran and Turkey are aligning together more closely, especially since the war in Syria is winding down?
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Coldwar timewarp posted:It seems like he abdicated a lot of the duties to his son anyway. I guess I dont understand these octagenarians who need to cling onto power until death. Or at least not in this case. My actual answer is that there's probably some degree of regime stability offered by having a father/son duo working in tandem--if you kill one and the other one manages to survive, you're pretty much hosed, so it might deter anyone from getting any ideas. Plus the crown prince being the effective ruler isn't unique to this duo, since Abdullah was effectively running the country for much of the time his brother Fahd was king. Most monarchs just don't abdicate, and while they've abandoned traditional succession in the country with this group of rulers, there's no need to completely break with tradition, especially since being the titular ruler of a country is probably pretty nice even if you let your son run things day to day. Plus if MBS fucks up and has to be replaced as crown prince, that's a lot easier/less of a terrible precedent for the kingdom than having to remove a king. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Oct 22, 2018 |
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khwarezm posted:Quick question, considering how vitally important both are in the region I really know nothing about Turkish-Iranian relations both now or in the recent past, obviously the Iranians are at the Saudi's throats but seeing Turkey's obvious bad blood with them too now, is there sign that Iran and Turkey are aligning together more closely, especially since the war in Syria is winding down? I doubt it. Iran and Turkey are natural rivals, just because of the hand geography dealt them. That being said, they're on ok terms. Turkey just re-started a scheme of exchanging gold for goods, smuggled over their shared border to dodge US sanctions. They are both pretty friendly with Qatar, and pretty unfriendly with KSA/UAE. They both don't want a Kurdish state. So they'll work together, a bit, and may see more of that. But I think it's similar to Turkey's relationship with Russia. Whatever they do in the short term to work together, they're natural (and historical) enemies in the long run, so don't expect solid alliances to come of this.
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I'm guessing that Turkey is waiting till right before the US midterm elections to release the conclusive evidence that shows the brutal execution and MbS's direct ties to it. I don't now why they'd want to gently caress over Trump though, it's not like the Dems would treat Turkey any better. Maybe it really is just Erdogan being angry that he lost to Trump in that pissing match over the pastor.
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Missionary Positron posted:They used Skype to communicate their SUPER DUPER SECRET murder plans? loving Skype? These loving idiots seem to actually believe that the world of spies should work like 24. 
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qkkl posted:I'm guessing that Turkey is waiting till right before the US midterm elections to release the conclusive evidence that shows the brutal execution and MbS's direct ties to it. I don't now why they'd want to gently caress over Trump though, it's not like the Dems would treat Turkey any better. Maybe it really is just Erdogan being angry that he lost to Trump in that pissing match over the pastor. The world doesn't revolve around the US.
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