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Did Chibnall say that they weren't doing a season arc this time or did I make that up?
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jivjov posted:Not to disagree with your point; but I have noticed a general tendency to do that more often with female actors than male ones. I don't remember if it was a tweet or an article or something, but I read somewhere that that can be perceived as more dismissive or overly familiar, whereas sticking with surnames for male actors shows more respect. Doctors 4, 5, 6, 7, 12 and 13 all get referred to by their first names. And Eleven is most frequently called by his full name, you ever notice that? Rhyno fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Oct 22, 2018 |
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Oct 22, 2018 20:16
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I'm still giggling over the Tenth Doctor being played by David Tennant Also feels weird to refer to (some) actors by their first names
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Oct 22, 2018 20:19
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Rhyno posted:Doctors 4, 5, 6, 7, 12 and 13 all get referred to by their first names. Oh I'm talking about actors overall, not just Doctor Who ones; but yeah, I get you. That said, in my completely anecdotal experience, I seem to see "McCoy" more than "Sylvester". Agreed on all the others.
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Oct 22, 2018 20:21
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Whittaker is simply too many syllables! Who even has time to say that
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Oct 22, 2018 20:22
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The time rotor does move! https://twitter.com/mattbobross/status/1054306742346113025
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Oct 22, 2018 21:18
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bessantj posted:Did Chibnall say that they weren't doing a season arc this time or did I make that up? All he said was "ten standalone episodes". Which people seem to have interpreted as "no season arc" but which I suspect just meant "no literal two or three part episodes".
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Oct 22, 2018 21:26
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Well, I wasn't agape in horror, so that's a plus. Still, this feels like Chibnall said "I want an episode about Rosa Parks" and they worked around that idea.
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Oct 22, 2018 21:30
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Still don't like the new TARDIS.
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Oct 22, 2018 21:41
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docbeard posted:All he said was "ten standalone episodes". Which people seem to have interpreted as "no season arc" but which I suspect just meant "no literal two or three part episodes". There will be an arc. So far, in three episodes we have: 1. A villain, the Stenza, who have been mentioned twice in the first two episodes and who have an unresolved plot line (they were using the planet in episode 2 to test weapons) 2. A villain, Krasko, who half-told his backstory and then got zapped back into the past by Ryan. That dude is coming back. I just assume it means no 2-parters, but there will be an arc with a season finale that resolves it.
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Oct 22, 2018 21:56
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docbeard posted:All he said was "ten standalone episodes". Which people seem to have interpreted as "no season arc" but which I suspect just meant "no literal two or three part episodes". Ah that's it, thanks.
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Oct 22, 2018 22:03
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I kinda get what they were going for with the new TARDIS having a feeling of being grown, and making it look more alien. But I think 9/10's TARDIS did that a lot better. After watching the latest episode I started going through some old favourites on iPlayer and just finished watching Amy's Choice. I didn't like that TARDIS much in its general look, but it's a brilliantly designed set. The whole thing is like a big adventure playground full of multiple levels and interesting bits to fiddle with, and it allows for some really neat scenes where the cast are all on different levels doing different things being shot from interesting camera angles. I can't see anything like that being possible on the new set. It's also jarring to go back to that episode right after Rosa. The energy, the chemistry among the crew and Toby Jones, the tightness of the plot, smart and funny dialogue, the emotional punch, the music - it's so far removed from the last 3 turgid episodes. For all Moffat's faults, he really came out all guns blazing on that first season and everything worked so well, apart from 90 minutes of Silurian boringness. I never expected Chibnall to quite get there, but I was hopeful because of all the bold changes he was making. Based on the preview from last week I was really hoping this episode would be where the show delivered and reinvented itself again but no, it was another solid meh.
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Oct 22, 2018 22:10
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https://twitter.com/i/events/1054093348963635200 Some powerful tweets. https://twitter.com/VulcanMonk/status/1054083955421573127 https://twitter.com/CosmicWhoNerd/status/1054089815229112320
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Oct 22, 2018 22:11
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Slowpoke! posted:2. A villain, Krasko, who half-told his backstory and then got zapped back into the past by Ryan. That dude is coming back. Scuttlebutt is that in his introductory scene, Krasko was meant to reply to the Doctor asking him who he was by introducing himself as, "Krasko, but in the language of your people, I am called... Timothy Shaw!" It all ties together.
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Slowpoke! posted:There will be an arc. So far, in three episodes we have: You know, the Stenza empire being effectively seeded by a time-travelling human racist would explain why their rite of passage is specifically hunting humans before they've even left Earth. Kept the species target, eventually forgot he only hated certain types of human.
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Oct 22, 2018 22:33
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Slowpoke! posted:There will be an arc. So far, in three episodes we have: I'd say their unresolved plot line is "Are explicitly stated to be holding captive humans in stasis as trophies". The fact they their weapons were developed and tested on some planet at the arse end of the universe by captives doesnt feel so much likse a plot thread to me as a background detail.
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Oct 22, 2018 23:38
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marktheando posted:Yank viewers- how were the accents? I was catching up on The Last Ship as well, and the incredibly stereotypical Southerners at a down south rich folks fundraiser were far, far more hokey and put on than anything in Rosa. 
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Oct 23, 2018 00:10
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Elevator Screamer posted:
I think this episode was great, but that brass music that kept constantly repeating through the episode did really stand out.
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Oct 23, 2018 00:24
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Nodosaur posted:I've grown up in the Midwest, specifically might-as-well-be-the-Deep-South Missouri. Missouri isn't part of the Deep South? Huh, first time I've heard this. Not joking, here.
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Oct 23, 2018 00:44
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EimiYoshikawa posted:Missouri isn't part of the Deep South? I mean it's not even considered the south by many people, myself included (I'm a native). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States
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Oct 23, 2018 00:46
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Astroman posted:Far Beyond The Stars was blunt but not every single white person in that episode was a cruel, Snidely Whiplash racist, though apparently every white person in Montgomery was. Far Beyond The Stars was set in New York. Yes, New York and Montgomery were vastly different in terms of their racism levels, even if institutional racism was still extremely pervasive and prevalent (as seen in Far Beyond The Stars largely expressing it via a nationally published magazine and the police, rather than the average citizen on the street), and New York certainly wasn't racism free. So...yeah, both episodes were fairly accurate, overall.
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Oct 23, 2018 00:56
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Now I come to think of it a bit, it is kind of interesting (as a white dude) that the far future as envisioned predominantly by white dudes is usually one where the only racism that exists is in coded forms; other species are racists among themselves, or against other species, or WE-ARE-THE-SU-PER-I-OR-BE-INGS, but racism amongst humans is completely unheard of, hell, we're not even Americans or Russians or Pakistani any more, we're humans. Whereas we get Doctor Who written by a black woman and hell yeah there are future white supremacists, or at least one. Who was a mass murderer held in Space Supermax and only let free on the condition that he be wired up so he literally couldn't hurt anyone, so you could probably draw certain conclusions about how widespread the Space Proud Boys actually are in the 72nd Century. Hell, you can still have your idealized future if you want by saying that what Kresko meant by this being "when everything started to go wrong" is that in his time there's little to nothing in the way of institutionalized racism and he's fed whatever his personal grudge against society is with ridiculous tales of the "good old days". If you felt the need for this to somehow be unwritten, I mean, which the more I think about it, the more I do not. Not because I'm not into optimistic visions of the future, but because, even in science fiction, if you want to write about racism, it's completely okay to just loving write about racism without hiding it behind a bunch of layers of metaphor and setting lore and whatnot. Not that those things are bad (and science fiction in particular is a medium through which that can done very powerfully indeed), but I certainly don't think they're necessary. Which isn't to say that Kresko was an especially compelling villain, but that's more because he was just there to be a plot device, not because he was a Racist from the Future and that's Impossible.
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JustinMorgan posted:Wait, do Brits actually learn about Rosa Parks in school? I know I revived a lovely UScentric education and couldn't tell you a drat thing about civil rights in any other country. Few pages back, but... At least back in the 80s, they taught the poo poo out of American 20th century history when I was in school. I think that at least was a period of time where British history was seen as a bit embarrassing and imperialistic. We definitely covered Rosa Parks. E: mycomancy posted:I mean it's not even considered the south by many people, myself included (I'm a native). Yeah, Missouri was also all over the place in the Civil War, so they've never really been 'The South' in that sense, either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_in_the_American_Civil_War Wolfechu fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Oct 23, 2018 |
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Oct 23, 2018 01:57
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Ryan needs to be nicer to Graham. I like how Graham was like “This is my Grandson, fuckers!”
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Oct 23, 2018 02:24
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navyjack posted:Ryan needs to be nicer to Graham. I like how Graham was like “This is my Grandson, fuckers!” Graham is literally the best. We're 3 eps in and I can safely say that if Graham ever gets mind wiped, or takes a deathraven to the chest, or gets sent into the past to die by lovely masonry demons, or leaves the show to gently caress David Tennant offscreen forever, this show is loving dead to me I really like Yaz too but that's more a testament to how charismatic Mandip Gill is than anything to do with her character itself
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Oct 23, 2018 02:30
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yeah I really want to like Yaz but she's not giving me enough to work with, she is a cool cop and needs to do more Graham is everything I wanted from an atypical companion and then some, dude is owning it Ryan is okay but Graham needs him to play off of so I will be patient
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Oct 23, 2018 02:34
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navyjack posted:Ryan needs to be nicer to Graham. I like how Graham was like “This is my Grandson, fuckers!” Ryan going for the fistbump to scare off a racist and then responding with 'no, I don't do that' when Graham tries is so good. Largely because, at least the way I read him, he probably is telling the truth on that one and Graham's just extremely out of touch with both kids in general and his kid specifically. Also, some clever credit to Graham's old-man-ness, his failed attempt to describe a smartphone sounds like something that would've existed briefly in the 50s or 60s.
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Oct 23, 2018 02:46
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docbeard posted:Now I come to think of it a bit, it is kind of interesting (as a white dude) that the far future as envisioned predominantly by white dudes is usually one where the only racism that exists is in coded forms; other species are racists among themselves, or against other species, or WE-ARE-THE-SU-PER-I-OR-BE-INGS, but racism amongst humans is completely unheard of, hell, we're not even Americans or Russians or Pakistani any more, we're humans. I'm kinda ok with the idea of there not being a Dalek episode this series if we can count this episode. The Daleks are often played for laughs and it's nice to remember that this type of darkness is exactly what they were intended to represent.
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Oct 23, 2018 04:28
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They implied that Yaz has weird family stuff last week, so I assume they're planning on going somewhere with that.
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Oct 23, 2018 04:53
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I just wanted to say that I’m so relieved the 13th Doctor doesn’t know everything. I’m sure my memory is exaggerating, but so much of Capaldi’s Doctor felt like: “What is that?” “It’s a Vogul. One of the oldest races in the universe. They can weigh up to 30kg and are bright blue.” “That one’s purple.” “So it is. A mystery!” Meanwhile we’ve had multiple planets and currencies and races where the Doctor is just straight up, “Never heard of ya.” The universe is big, yo.
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Oct 23, 2018 05:14
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I like how there's already a dozen-journey-wide gap for Big Finish to drop stories into
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Oct 23, 2018 05:21
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I actually expected Graham was going to have to be the Bus driver that gets Park's arrested
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Oct 23, 2018 05:54
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The episode with The Family where Martha was a maid was a better racism episode, but I guess this is okay. Kids will get to see how lovely and ugly racism is at the least. Kind of annoyed because any previous incarnation from 9 to 12 would've really hosed that racist time-loving bastard up. They've hosed people up for much less, this guy didn't even get a proper "Don't ever gently caress with me" speech and it's a companion who finally dispatches him. And then the Doctor has to contribute to Rosa's injustice on top of all that.
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Oct 23, 2018 06:09
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Soothing Vapors posted:if Graham ever .... leaves the show to gently caress David Tennant offscreen forever I heard this is how they got him to sign the contract in the first place!
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Oct 23, 2018 08:10
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Davros1 posted:https://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/third-doctor-jo-grant-and-liz-shaw-return This is interesting. I wonder how long before we see the Master pop up here, and if they'll recast Delgado or just fit Beevers in to the Third Doctor's era. Surely there's nothing to stop them doing the former now that they're recasting beyond the Doctor himself? Could see them wanting to do 3DA v6 featuring the final story of the Delgado Master
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Too late in my time zone for detailed thots but Graham is great. Also this is probably the best "time traveling series tackles racism in the 1950's" episode. Also Krasko himself is just a neutered time traveling Proud Boy, but liked the reference to Stormcage as the show up until now did seem set in a different universe, and it's a little comforting to see a little nod to the broader universe. Krasko feels like he needs to come back, because he implied things when talking to Ryan. Also it wasn't clear if he was alien or human, if he were alien it would take on an interesting spin, like that human progress out into the stars depends on social progression, so if you can derail that, you can stop humans from ever spreading through the galaxy. But it seems darkly plausible that there's still white supremacist dipshits in the far future, too. 
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I was hoping they'd be ballsy enough to say "yeah he's from the future of this time...the year 2018" or something
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Weirdly specific opinion but I thought the episode was really good but the use of the "Rise Up" song was really a bit much. It felt very "X-Factor contestant gets through", inappropriate for the era (and playing it during the credits was weird), and I feel like "Rise Up" isn't quite the right thing to use lyrically for a person who sparked a revolution by sitting down. Very good bold and effecting episode otherwise. Song just reminded me of being in school having James Blunt songs blasted at us for positive reinforcement.
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Szmitten posted:Weirdly specific opinion but I thought the episode was really good but the use of the "Rise Up" song was really a bit much. It felt very "X-Factor contestant gets through", inappropriate for the era (and playing it during the credits was weird), and I feel like "Rise Up" isn't quite the right thing to use lyrically for a person who sparked a revolution by sitting down. Wasn't a fan of the song either but it was pretty funny they kept the song going over the Next Time trailer, bridging Rosa Parks being arrested with an attack of the Giant Spiders.
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Szmitten posted:Weirdly specific opinion but I thought the episode was really good but the use of the "Rise Up" song was really a bit much. It felt very "X-Factor contestant gets through", inappropriate for the era (and playing it during the credits was weird), and I feel like "Rise Up" isn't quite the right thing to use lyrically for a person who sparked a revolution by sitting down. It probably would have been more appropriate to choose a more period-appropriate song. Perhaps they thought "We Shall Overcome" was overdone or something. Fun fact: the writer of "We Shall Overcome", the Reverend Charles Tindley, helped to organise protests outside cinemas showing Birth of a Nation in 1915. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Oct 23, 2018 |
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