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Jekyll and Hyde posted:My argument was that anime dubs are effectively a method of marketing a show to make it more appealing to a particular market. This doesn't deny any artistic merit to the act of dubbing, but that is the reason it's done, and OP dubbing can be an aspect of that What you're missing is that the OP's and ED's generally have their own independent artistic merit. The vast majority of them are tracks by popular Japanese bands rather than something written specifically for the show, so you're getting the performance of a big-name band cheapened with a bunch of random C-tier American guys belting out a cover. And if you check out most English covers of anime OP's on youtube, it's not hard to see why they don't work at a professional production level as they fumble lines to try and keep the lyrics in-line with the rhythm. There are of course a few good ones out there though, I'm quite fond of Jonathon Young's various renditions, and that's not to say there aren't shows where it'd work when the OP's actually written for the show itself (Cells at Work, for example, especially when it's a pretty simple song), but by-and-large, it's not to the benefit of the show. Augus posted:YO HO HO HE TOOK A BITE OF GUMGUM God dammit, I don't even watch One Piece and it's stuck back in my head  .
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Neddy Seagoon posted:What you're missing is that the OP's and ED's generally have their own independent artistic merit. The vast majority of them are tracks by popular Japanese bands rather than something written specifically for the show, so you're getting the performance of a big-name band cheapened with a bunch of random C-tier American guys belting out a cover. And if you check out most English covers of anime OP's on youtube, it's not hard to see why they don't work at a professional production level as they fumble lines to try and keep the lyrics in-line with the rhythm. I don't think it's fair to compare an amateur fanwork on youtube to the work of professional translators. Yeah, songs are difficult to translate for a variety of reasons namely rhythm. But that doesn't merit a translated song as inherently having less artistic merit anymore than the dub of the anime itself has any artistic merit. You seemed to be arguing that the act of dubbing an OP is a cynical marketing move as if that it isn't such a move to get a band on a record label the same executives happen to have a stake in to do the opening from your show in hopes of getting more of that sweet, sweet otaku money
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Jekyll and Hyde posted:I don't think it's fair to compare an amateur fanwork on youtube to the work of professional translators. There have been shoddily-translated songs in professional anime dubs over the years, that is not exclusively in the domain of amateurs. Jekyll and Hyde posted:You seemed to be arguing that the act of dubbing an OP is a cynical marketing move as if that it isn't such a move to get a band on a record label the same executives happen to have a stake in to do the opening from your show in hopes of getting more of that sweet, sweet otaku money. Yes and that sweet, sweet, otaku money is exactly what they're still targeting in the rest of the world. Again; anime hasn't been mainstream aside from a brief stretch in the early/mid-00's around the Ghibli films.
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I love that Jenny has also seen Paranormal Home Inspectors because yea that was such a beautiful trainwreck and it's shamefully unknown to many who haven't had drunken Netflix binges.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:There have been shoddily-translated songs in professional anime dubs over the years, that is not exclusively in the domain of amateurs. Yes and???
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Anime hasn't been mainstream since a brief glimpse in the early/mid-00's Anime's more mainstream than it's probably ever been right now 
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Yardbomb posted:Anime's more mainstream than it's probably ever been right now the medium as a whole definitely is anyway
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Jekyll and Hyde posted:the medium as a whole definitely is anyway The medium definitely is, individual shows notsomuch. Jekyll and Hyde posted:Yes and??? Your point seemed to be they should dub these popular songs shoddily in English because people might like it that way, even though they're chasing the wallets of people who are guaranteed to detest them.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The medium definitely is, individual shows notsomuch. No?? My point was mostly that I liked them and wish more shows had them, while acknowledging that the majority of reasons to do so are based in marketing
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Jekyll and Hyde posted:No?? My point was mostly that I liked them and wish more shows had them, while acknowledging that the majority of reasons to do so are based in marketing Fair enough, my bad  .
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anime? more like banime.
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Welp, that was the dumbest argument yet in this thread.
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Puppy Time posted:Welp, that was the dumbest argument yet in this thread. I apologise
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That Playboy article Jenny Nicholson wrote has some real choice quotes like Jenny Nicholson posted:Like, how Pinocchio is a carnival of fear vaguely in support of the idea of being a good boy.
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I’d rather watch a show about home inspection than ghost hunting. Costly home damage is a lot scarier to find.
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Bar Crow posted:I’d rather watch a show about home inspection than ghost hunting. Costly home damage is a lot scarier to find.
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Zedd posted:If you haven't seen it yet, we had a Groverhouse esque saga involving a bathtub on SA this year (maybe later 2017?) Haha the guy that cut out supports in his floor for a bigger tub right?
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MacheteZombie posted:Haha the guy that cut out supports in his floor for a bigger tub right? Yup.
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Puppy Time posted:Welp, that was the dumbest argument yet in this thread. That's not even remotely true and you know it.
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MacheteZombie posted:Haha the guy that cut out supports in his floor for a bigger tub right? Even better: for a sunken shower pan that he was going to fill with rocks and then put the tub on top of.
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FoldableHuman posted:Even better: for a sunken shower pan that he was going to fill with rocks and then put the tub on top of. what?
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a cartoon duck posted:That's not even remotely true and you know it. OK, revised: It's the dumbest subject for an argument. At least it was something new, I'll give it that.
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Puppy Time posted:OK, revised: It's the dumbest subject for an argument. reminde rthat lornekates meltdown was in this thread
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I know Linkara doesn't get posted here much since his content is more in the mold of "classic" Channel Awesome, but he's celebrating the 10th anniversary of his channel today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYHJoZPNWW4 He'll be hosting a livestream starting at 1 PM Central time (about an hour after this post) with past episodes, Jackbox games, and the premier of his 10th anniversary episode at 7 PM.
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I remember there was a Linkara video years back that started by emulating his beginning style, before he eschewed it for the style he had adopted. I was kinda sad when he started going back to his shouty voice because he would be so much easier to listen to if he just used a normal speaking voice.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGEdNXhWTw Neil Breen and Neil Breen recap Nightbeast, a Don Dohler film that was also covered by RLM years ago.
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Jekyll and Hyde posted:Reminder that lornekates meltdown was in this thread They still weren't wrong.
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Yardbomb posted:They still weren't wrong. yes but the inciting drama was really dumb
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rudecyrus posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGEdNXhWTw Not even a minute in yet and I'm super glad this exists. More channels need to celebrate Hallobreen.  ...even though this isn't a Neil Breen film.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:God dammit, I don't even watch One Piece and it's stuck back in my head Of course it did, it isn’t one of the greatest TV Openings of all time for nothing.
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It feels nice to have my love of that stupid rap validated by others.
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I maintain to this day that despite the obviously cynical motivation behind a lot of their work, a lot of aspects of 4kids dubs are charming, and they did good openings. They also apparently paid VAs well.
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Jekyll and Hyde posted:what? He cut a six foot long strip out of the top of four engineered supports (wooden I beams) so that he could put in a shower pan full of rocks that would be flush with the tile floor, and that was going to be the base for his new tub. Not only did he do over $30,000 in damage to his house, he spent days arguing that cutting the tops off his joists was no big deal because he did some math.
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FoldableHuman posted:He cut a six foot long strip out of the top of four engineered supports (wooden I beams) so that he could put in a shower pan full of rocks that would be flush with the tile floor, and that was going to be the base for his new tub. Not only did he do over $30,000 in damage to his house, he spent days arguing that cutting the tops off his joists was no big deal because he did some math. Don't forget how he said his motivation for doing the remodel was to make his house more appealing for  and then several women showed up in the thread to tell him how terrible his design was from their perspective.
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Jekyll and Hyde posted:I maintain to this day that despite the obviously cynical motivation behind a lot of their work, a lot of aspects of 4kids dubs are charming, and they did good openings. They also apparently paid VAs well. They were also by all accounts very kind to Madeleine Blaustein (the voice of Meowth among others), who came out as a trans woman and transitioned during her time working for 4kids. I don’t enjoy a lot of their work in Pokemon (which was one of their better dubs on account of starting from a show that was aimed for the same target demographic in both countries), but that’s more because of my dislike of particular voice talents in the show. And the movie dubs. And the Chronicles dub. hopeandjoy fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Oct 26, 2018 |
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FoldableHuman posted:He cut a six foot long strip out of the top of four engineered supports (wooden I beams) so that he could put in a shower pan full of rocks that would be flush with the tile floor, and that was going to be the base for his new tub. Not only did he do over $30,000 in damage to his house, he spent days arguing that cutting the tops off his joists was no big deal because he did some math. what were the rock supposed to do????
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Puppy Time posted:It feels nice to have my love of that stupid rap validated by others. The Dragon Ball GT rap theme was incredible, even if the show was majority bad. Even now, I can't help but grin like an idiot at that song.
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I forgot to post Mark Brown's video about Mega Man 11's level design https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYxHMZX6lN8 edit: lmao
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