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sorry to the five remaining bsd users that linux got a decent init. maybe use linux then you can have a decent init too setting up systemd-networkd to handle ENIs attached to k8s workers at runtime was ez-pz, just a file with like two lines. wildcard match on ifname and "yes use dhcp" hey we're done systemd-timesyncd syncs time which is very needs suiting systemd-resolved makes split dns on openvpn painless i dont give two sloppy shits about monoculture or any of that poo poo. if poettering goes off the deep end and fucks everything up I rest easy knowing that some other insufferable nerd will step up to take a crack at starting processes for me
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Suspicious Dish posted:BSDs only survive because they implement the more popular Linux APIs (see: GEM/KMS/evdev), not because anybody else cares to port their software to the BSDs. There are thousands of Linux-specific APIs and projects that you use every day that only "just barely" run on BSDs and nobody gives a poo poo. I don't know why people latched onto this with systemd. A main reason for BSD continuing to be used and developed for is the licensing. If you want to build a closed source commercial project, then you're probably going to avoid GPLv3 and similar licenses, which means you're probably using bsd. A lot of financial software runs on bsd, mostly due to the licensing but also unix software compatibility for legacy code. Both OpenBSD and FreeBSD are on fairly secure financial footing due to this.
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Broken Machine posted:A main reason for BSD continuing to be used and developed for is the licensing. If you want to build a closed source commercial project, then you're probably going to avoid GPLv3 and similar licenses, which means you're probably using bsd. A lot of financial software runs on bsd, mostly due to the licensing but also unix software compatibility for legacy code. Both OpenBSD and FreeBSD are on fairly secure financial footing due to this. see: ps4
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NeoHentaiMaster posted:Is CentOS dead ? most likely
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Broken Machine posted:A main reason for BSD continuing to be used and developed for is the licensing. If you want to build a closed source commercial project, then you're probably going to avoid GPLv3 and similar licenses, which means you're probably using bsd. A lot of financial software runs on bsd, mostly due to the licensing but also unix software compatibility for legacy code. Both OpenBSD and FreeBSD are on fairly secure financial footing due to this. el dorito posted:see: ps4 sony is conspicuously absent from the freebsd foundation funding list. a list that seems to shrink a bit every year. they have a few big donors, but you can count them on one hand. if anything, pointing at the ps4 is an argument against using the bsd license for large software projects, because there is nothing stopping a multi-billion dollar company from going "yeah, thanks for doing 95% of the work for us for free so we can build a closed platform. maybe we'll throw some trivial patches back upstream if we have time, but don't expect much. so long suckers" iirc, openbsd was so broke a few years ago they were begging for money just to keep the lights on. The_Franz fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Oct 29, 2018 |
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The_Franz posted:sony is conspicuously absent from the freebsd foundation funding list. a list that seems to shrink a bit every year. they have a few big donors, but you can count them on one hand. also the ps4 menus are an awful laggy pile of poo poo so not a great endorsement for bsd anyway
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Broken Machine posted:A main reason for BSD continuing to be used and developed for is the licensing. If you want to build a closed source commercial project, then you're probably going to avoid GPLv3 and similar licenses, which means you're probably using bsd. A lot of financial software runs on bsd, mostly due to the licensing but also unix software compatibility for legacy code. Both OpenBSD and FreeBSD are on fairly secure financial footing due to this. Corporations like BSD because they don't have to pay for it. Neither OpenBSD nor FreeBSD are on fairly secure financial footing due to this.
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jit bull transpile posted:also the ps4 menus are an awful laggy pile of poo poo so not a great endorsement for bsd anyway but iOS somehow manages it
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Suspicious Dish posted:Corporations like BSD because they don't have to pay for it. Neither OpenBSD nor FreeBSD are on fairly secure financial footing due to this. there are so many people and companies who rely on bsd that if either of those, probably netbsd as well, were in serious danger of shutting down they would get the money they needed. they're not large businesses like redhat but they're not going anywhere. i know it's the linux thread and ripping on bsd is de rigueur but they're nice to use and well designed with friendly communities, especially freebsd
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Broken Machine posted:there are so many people and companies who rely on bsd that if either of those, probably netbsd as well, were in serious danger of shutting down they would get the money they needed. they're not large businesses like redhat but they're not going anywhere. i know it's the linux thread and ripping on bsd is de rigueur but they're nice to use and well designed with friendly communities, especially freebsd ah yes the openssl model
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Broken Machine posted:there are so many people and companies who rely on bsd that if either of those, probably netbsd as well, were in serious danger of shutting down they would get the money they needed. they're not large businesses like redhat but they're not going anywhere. i know it's the linux thread and ripping on bsd is de rigueur but they're nice to use and well designed with friendly communities, especially freebsd About 10 companies are listed as FreeBSD donors. The place probably gets around $300,000 a year in total, which, while not nothing, pays for a server, a sysadmin, and a developer.
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Suspicious Dish posted:The PS4 menus are incomprehensibly written in WebGL, which is why they suck. but I thought WebGL was the future
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pseudorandom name posted:I assume IBM looked at how much they were paying Red Hat to maintain Linux on obsolete platforms like POWER and z/Architecture and decided it would be cheaper to just outright buy Red Hat. was ibm ever paying for this? i mean, yes, ibm paid for compiler development and such, but they historically favored suse it seems to me that their partnership with redhat was more about joint sales forces than ibm funding anything @ red hat
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Broken Machine posted:there are so many people and companies who rely on bsd that if either of those, probably netbsd as well, were in serious danger of shutting down they would get the money they needed. they're not large businesses like redhat but they're not going anywhere. i know it's the linux thread and ripping on bsd is de rigueur but they're nice to use and well designed with friendly communities, especially freebsd there is one company that relies on freebsd, and they are a mostly-dead storage vendor (netapp) sony and apple incidentally use freebsd, but neither one will notice if the paid freebsd developers disappear
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Suspicious Dish posted:Corporations like BSD because they don't have to pay for it. Neither OpenBSD nor FreeBSD are on fairly secure financial footing due to this. openbsd lacks a secure financial footing because it is dogshit for idiots
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if IBM ports over some OS/2 Warp themes, i'll be all over that because i am a person of awful taste, which has got to be their target market, certainly.
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Suspicious Dish posted:The PS4 menus are incomprehensibly written in WebGL, which is why they suck. hahahaha they get worse with every update too, and they inexplicably removed the ability to pin video playing apps to the main screen in an update. God I'd love more tea about how hosed up that machine's internals are
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jit bull transpile posted:hahahaha
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Sapozhnik posted:dns is a protocol. if you mean systemd-resolved afaik nobody actually uses it by default and it's an /etc/nsswitch.conf setting to opt in or out ubuntu definitely uses it, because it completely broke dns resolution in 17.04: https://superuser.com/questions/1153203/ubuntu-17-04-systemd-resolved-dns-lookups-randomly-fail
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Laslow posted:if IBM ports over some OS/2 Warp themes, i'll be all over that because i am a person of awful taste, which has got to be their target market, certainly. OS/2 Warp: "let's take the windows 3.1 themes and bitcrush them!" My brother had the 32 floppy version.
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Suspicious Dish posted:The PS4 menus are incomprehensibly written in WebGL, which is why they suck. haha lol wtf
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the year of linux on ibm. oracle really needs to buy suse now
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:openbsd lacks a secure financial footing because it is dogshit for idiots isn’t open SSH’s development tied in openbsd and or does that get separate funding and separate governance because it’s so fundamental? RE: PS4 WebGL menus ... guessing they don’t want to ship native code for every small UI change (I don’t own a console)
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Coffee Jones posted:isn’t open SSH’s development tied in openbsd and or does that get separate funding and separate governance because it’s so fundamental? one of those cases where the line drawn is a lot clearer in the mind of some people than it is in any actual reality though
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they have to ship webgl code instead doesn’t really make a difference. the menus work when you’re not online after all
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Suspicious Dish posted:About 10 companies are listed as FreeBSD donors. The place probably gets around $300,000 a year in total, which, while not nothing, pays for a server, a sysadmin, and a developer. more than that. they take in somewhere between $600k and $1.5 million in donations, depending on whether or not a large company like intel and/or some philanthropic foundation throws any huge amounts their way, and their operating budget is around $1 million they finished 2015 way in the red, which i guess prompted them to step up their money game the next year, although their income seems to be tapering off again as they've only taken in about $400k so far this year
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re: ps4 and webgl the biggest work they have to do when shipping a new version of their UI is QA and having it written in webgl doesn't change that it's just that the game industry loves using lovely web tech to build UIs for some reason (see also: scaleform, a flash player used by most major games)
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Zlodo posted:re: ps4 and webgl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_using_Scaleform#2016 lol, I hope that means that it's fallen out of fashion and not just that this list is incomplete
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Suspicious Dish posted:The PS4 menus are incomprehensibly written in WebGL, which is why they suck. web based uis are always a mistake
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option A: let your graphic designers use Adobe's Flash tools to design your game's glitzy animated UI, then shove it through an asset pipeline meat grinder to import their work into your game engine option B: try to convince them to learn some terrible Lua poo poo and constantly restart dev builds of your game from scratch whenever they want to move a button five pixels to the left
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akadajet posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_using_Scaleform#2016 flash in general is rapidly dying thank god scaleform is a relic from the pre-mobile period in the mid-00s when the trend was "everything is fast enough, just shove it through an interpreted scripting language"
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akadajet posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_using_Scaleform#2016 hahaha no it's incomplete as hell Sapozhnik posted:option A: let your graphic designers use Adobe's Flash tools to design your game's glitzy animated UI, then shove it through an asset pipeline meat grinder to import their work into your game engine this doesn't require the runtime to also be flash and the action script code is written by UI programmers these days anyway (thankfully) all you want the UI artists to have is a way to author vector graphics animations (flash should be used only as an authoring tool for that) and for a lot of things they're happier using illustrator anyway
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The_Franz posted:more than that. they take in somewhere between $600k and $1.5 million in donations, depending on whether or not a large company like intel and/or some philanthropic foundation throws any huge amounts their way, and their operating budget is around $1 million also a lot of the core team is either financially independent or have a well compensated day job. a lot of the key foundation / dev members are fairly eggheaded and either profs or they work at big tech; places like MS, Cambridge etc e: typo Broken Machine fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Oct 29, 2018 |
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