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Last Chance posted:thats because you probably spent 15 yrs compiling it 
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counter argument: if your doing poo poo with docker redhat/centos have old kernels that have stuff randomly backported to it. it’s gotten better, but it’s still a shitshow. most folks doing kubernetes use coreos, Ubuntu or Debian for the host, and only RHEL derivatives if they are doing openshift or otherwise mentally challenged. At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter, as GKE uses a ChromeOS derivative(which is a derivative of Gentoo) and it’s the best hosted kubernetes platform at the moment. it actually makes more sense to bake your host as an immutable image and destroy the whole thing when you want to upgrade a package so the chromeos/coreos model is superior. as for docker containers themselves, most use Debian or alpine as a base, if you see someone using rhel for docker, they are doing it wrong.
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freeasinbeer posted:counter argument: if your doing poo poo with docker redhat/centos have old kernels that have stuff randomly backported to it. it’s gotten better, but it’s still a shitshow. quote:as for docker containers themselves, most use Debian or alpine as a base, if you see someone using rhel for docker, they are doing it wrong. I use BuildRoot for release, CentOS for development.
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writing go and deploying it as a container with 1 file in it looks nice. will never get to do that but it looks nice
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I know that this is the desktop thread but wasn’t there a Fedora Atomic Host that was Red Hat’s answer to CoreOS? I think it uses the same idea of using an immutable image. Are they still developing that?
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Oct 30, 2018 03:02
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if only there were a way to find out
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el dorito posted:I know that this is the desktop thread but wasn’t there a Fedora Atomic Host that was Red Hat’s answer to CoreOS? I think it uses the same idea of using an immutable image. Are they still developing that? they bought coreos and the plan is to replace coreos with atomic. Everyone’s pissed as redhat is missing the point of it(I don’t want to use ostree, and we settled on immutable images, I don’t care about updating the host).
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Oct 30, 2018 03:05
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roll up ur sleeves and just hit up lfs like a champion http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/ still updated
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Coreos already hosed up bigtime imo when they ditched aci for oci. Proper image discovery and building dropped overnight in favour of.... what? buildah? podman? skopeo? Cri-o?? Runc? Who loving knows any more
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And good luck finding a straight answer in their docs or hundreds of github issues
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Oct 30, 2018 03:20
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freeasinbeer posted:they bought coreos and the plan is to replace coreos with atomic. other way around. ContainerLinux is becoming Fedora CoreOS, and that'll be the upstream to Red Hat CoreOS, which will be the immutable host OS for OpenShift. Atomic is essentially being sunset.
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Oct 30, 2018 05:06
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ratbert90 posted:Gentoo is indeed trash. I tried in in a VM recently and it hasn't changed much in the last 15 years. NetBSD hasn’t changed much in the last 20 years except for under the hood and it’s good that way
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Oct 30, 2018 05:41
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gentoo is ~what you make it to be~, it's a meta distribution, a build-your-own-distro kit. if you think it still it trash it is because you didn't do anything in it.
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is that still true that ubuntu is just a sid snapshot? that sounds a bit trash.
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Oct 30, 2018 08:57
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IBM®️ Aptiva Tablet Pro™️ with Red Hat Enterprise Linux Inside.
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Bulgakov posted:roll up ur sleeves and just hit up lfs like a champion i can't imagine having so much free time that this seems like a worthwhile use of it
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https://twitter.com/chaosaffe/status/1057242446407589888/photo/1
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Tankakern posted:gentoo is ~what you make it to be~, it's a meta distribution, a build-your-own-distro kit. if you think it still it trash it is because you didn't do anything in it. i think we're using different words to say the same thing. yes, gentoo is a pile of garbage that you get the joy of picking through to cobble together a half-working system. if that is what you want to do on your free time that's fine, everyone needs a hobby. i myself did some questionable things in college, including gentoo experimentation. what i object strongly to is the notion that gentoo is ever appropriate for any use in the workplace, where innocent coworkers and customers will be impacted by the gentooer's bad decisions
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i used gentoo in highschool which helped me learn a lot about linux and constantly reinstall because i broke something and was too dumb to fix it now i use fedora/centos
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Lightbulb Out posted:i used gentoo in highschool which helped me learn a lot about linux and constantly reinstall because i broke something and was too dumb to fix it My man.   Although I started with Slackware, then: Gentoo, LFS, Ubuntu, and finally Fedora. The correct desktop distro.
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time to put that cube in the trash lol
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Oct 30, 2018 19:52
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You have thirty minutes to move your cube
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Oct 30, 2018 19:54
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carry on then posted:time to put that cube in the trash lol
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Oct 30, 2018 19:57
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The_Franz posted:in the context of the thread, macos is the last capital-u unix for the desktop still being developed now that oracle put solaris into maintenance mode Ironically, AIX is actually still being actively developed.
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feedmegin posted:Ironically, AIX is actually still being actively developed. ehhh it’s more of a maintenance mode. iseries and z/os are actively developed, and z has a posix compliant environment tho but none of those are desktop oses, even aix
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I use ubuntu because I am the basicest of bitches.
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i use gentoo privately because:
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Tankakern posted:i use gentoo privately because: lol
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carry on then posted:ehhh it’s more of a maintenance mode. iseries and z/os are actively developed, and z has a posix compliant environment tho is it iseries or z/os that will still run old system/360 programs that were written when we were still landing people on the moon?
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feedmegin posted:Ironically, AIX is actually still being actively developed. so is Solaris neither of them are being developed for the desktop
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my secret hope for the IBM/Red Hat merger is that IBM will devote some resources to maintaining official Swift builds for RHEL/CentOS/Fedora right now the only official Linux builds are Ubuntu
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wonder how soon RHEL et al will adopt JFS as their only supported filesystem and DB2 as their only supported database
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Changelog posted:New default editor: /bin/xedit
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:is it iseries or z/os that will still run old system/360 programs that were written when we were still landing people on the moon? zSeries is System/z is a direct, compatible successor of System/360, System/370, and System/390 iSeries is System/i is AS/400
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Changelog posted:New compiler: /usr/bin/rpgii
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eschaton posted:so is Solaris Nonsense, I've administered machines running both that had CDE installed as recently as a few years ago  AIX is more active than Sol 'no new major version ever' aris though. Let alone HPUX 
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eschaton posted:so is Solaris oracle axed most of the solaris and sparc teams last year. solaris is in permanent maintenance mode now
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Tankakern posted:i use gentoo privately because: ur fuckin with me, i can tell
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why would i people who's only experience with gentoo is setting CFLAGS in make.conf couldn't possibly understand how great it is
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