awful programming: feature flags and suffering

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

pointsofdata posted:

Yeah letting the applications control the data structures is a surefire way to end up with a lovely db, loads of duplication and misrecs everywhere

hello

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

on 80% of our web projects a database level not null condition on a field is technically impossible, because the php orm used shits it�s bed immediately

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gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

hi thanks for your urgent hotfix pr, however sorry for being pedantic but can you remove these newlines and add some here please

thanks

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distortion park: Apr 25, 2011

cinci zoo sniper posted:

on 80% of our web projects a database level not null condition on a field is technically impossible, because the php orm used shits it’s bed immediately

curse of the orm strikes again

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Bulgakov: Mar 8, 2009; рукописи не горят

# ? Nov 2, 2018 12:49

champagne posting: Apr 5, 2006; YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

pointsofdata posted:

Yeah letting the applications control the data structures is a surefire way to end up with a lovely db, loads of duplication and misrecs everywhere

a combination of huge views and an orm is likewise a terrible idea

although views a pretty good, if the underlying db is bad then, well it�s all gonna be bad

# ? Nov 2, 2018 12:57

AggressivelyStupid: Jan 9, 2012

gonadic io posted:

hi thanks for your urgent hotfix pr, however sorry for being pedantic but can you remove these newlines and add some here please thanks

lmao

# ? Nov 2, 2018 13:13

Bulgakov: Mar 8, 2009; рукописи не горят

cinci zoo sniper posted:

on 80% of our web projects a database level not null condition on a field is technically impossible, because the php orm used shits it�s bed immediately

gonadic io posted:

hi thanks for your urgent hotfix pr, however sorry for being pedantic but can you remove these newlines and add some here please thanks

Boiled Water posted:

a combination of huge views and an orm is likewise a terrible idea

although views a pretty good, if the underlying db is bad then, well it’s all gonna be bad

the talent deficit posted:

in practice you just join the application layer and make sure you handle referential integrity problems at that level. like if someone wants to see all `tags` for a `post` or something you shouldn't just retrieve the tags via the post id, you should also check that the post id is still valid. you can't do this transactionally but it rarely matters with this kind of thing. if you do need transaction and strict referential integrity, just put the related things in the same db and use the same microservice to manage them

Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

stonebraker is still salty about sql winning lol

pangstrom posted:

Maybe it's there under a different name. It's a 4d database
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Dimension_(software)

pangstrom posted:

good stuff for me, a terrible programmer. Was excited to see one of our major and terrible systems not even warrant a mention in the dozens and dozens of things he listed

cinci zoo sniper posted:

hello

fired fired fired fired fired fired

your all fired

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AggressivelyStupid: Jan 9, 2012

finally, I'm free

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Bulgakov: Mar 8, 2009; рукописи не горят

AggressivelyStupid posted:

finally, I'm free

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CRIP EATIN BREAD: Jun 24, 2002; Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T; Soiled Meat

redleader posted:

so is jooq good? it sounds ok and the maintainer sounds like the reasonable sort of crazy

It's really good.

CPColin posted:

jOOQ barely seems different from raw SQL strings. Like, you're just writing SQL with a different syntax. I guess the compile-time sanity checking is nice, but I don't see the appeal.

The difference is that with jOOQ if you write a query that has a different syntax in a different dialect, it does the translation automatically.

https://blog.jooq.org/2018/03/13/top-10-sql-dialect-emulations-implemented-in-jooq/

Plus you can write bindings to convert from/to java types transparently.

Like if you are binding potsgres's "timestamp with time zone" type, and you created a binding for a ZonedDateTime, you can have things like:

code:

public long getFirstIdAfter(final ZonedDateTime timestamp) {
return dsl.select(FOO.ID)
  .from(FOO)
  .where(FOO.CREATED_AT.gt(timestamp))
  .limit(1)
  .fetchOne();
}

# ? Nov 2, 2018 13:34

prisoner of waffles: May 8, 2007; Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

Bulgakov posted:

fired fired fired fired fired fired

your all fired

my buddies are all gone, I quit bitch

# ? Nov 2, 2018 13:35

CRIP EATIN BREAD: Jun 24, 2002; Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T; Soiled Meat

Janitor Prime posted:

I wish I had spent more time figuring out how to integrate JOOQ with Spring since we use that for transaction management.

spring boot ships with a jooq transaction manager that uses spring's tx stuff.

so... it was already done for you if you use spring boot. if not, you can just copy the class.

# ? Nov 2, 2018 13:36

Bulgakov: Mar 8, 2009; рукописи не горят

prisoner of waffles posted:

my buddies are all gone, I quit bitch

sorry to miss over you

you are EXTREMELY fired

# ? Nov 2, 2018 13:37

Bulgakov: Mar 8, 2009; рукописи не горят

prisoner of waffles posted:

my buddies are all gone, I quit bitch

clogging the company toilet after taking such large dumps of code???

fire fired MEGA FIRED

# ? Nov 2, 2018 13:38

distortion park: Apr 25, 2011

Bulgakov posted:

fired fired fired fired fired fired

your all fired

You seem to have fired yourself which is definitely going to break something

# ? Nov 2, 2018 13:43

Bulgakov: Mar 8, 2009; рукописи не горят

pointsofdata posted:

You seem to have fired yourself which is definitely going to break something

yes

that was part of the plan :getin:

the commune needs an anarchic shuffle :blastu:

# ? Nov 2, 2018 13:51

floatman: Mar 17, 2009

gonadic io posted:

hi thanks for your urgent hotfix pr, however sorry for being pedantic but can you remove these newlines and add some here please thanks

Whenever an application breaks, the users can 100% tell that the reason for it breaking is not enough new lines or spaces after commas.
Above all else, formatting is the sure sign of quality code that everyone can feel.

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gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

floatman posted:

Whenever an application breaks, the users can 100% tell that the reason for it breaking is not enough new lines or spaces after commas.
Above all else, formatting is the sure sign of quality code that everyone can feel.

I wonder if this has ever happened about minimised js

users complaining that the company's js that they see in the browser uses bad variable names and no comments or whitespace

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CRIP EATIN BREAD: Jun 24, 2002; Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T; Soiled Meat

gonadic io posted:

I wonder if this has ever happened about minimised js

users complaining that the company's js that they see in the browser uses bad variable names and no comments or whitespace

it definitely has. i've seen it. it's probably a gently caress-up on our end, or maybe the minify tool, and it should never happen, but it does.

# ? Nov 2, 2018 14:27

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

cjs: what's the solution for a CTO that works 16-20 hour days but does nothing but work on features/bugs that are all low-medium priority when everyone else is crunching to get high-priority bugs fixed because we were supposed to launch this terrible russian platform months ago.

note: this is a startup dev team of me, a junior dev, and CTO.

# ? Nov 2, 2018 15:44

champagne posting: Apr 5, 2006; YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Finster Dexter posted:

cjs: what's the solution for a CTO that works 16-20 hour days but does nothing but work on features/bugs that are all low-medium priority when everyone else is crunching to get high-priority bugs fixed because we were supposed to launch this terrible russian platform months ago.

note: this is a startup dev team of me, a junior dev, and CTO.

someone might get fired

it's probably not the CTO

# ? Nov 2, 2018 15:50

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

oh good CTO just slack'd me with some code cleanup tips on this russian garbage, which is about the most turd polishing/pig lipsticking thing I can think of.

# ? Nov 2, 2018 15:51

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Boiled Water posted:

someone might get fired

it's probably not the CTO

(hint: it's the junior dev, who everyone hates because he insists on leaving at a normal time every day)

My goal at this point is to just ride this posh private jet of figgies right into the ground, and my parachute plan is contracting until I find a lovely bank job and slowly sink back into nothingness.

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Osmosisch: Sep 9, 2007; I shall make everyone look like me! Then when they trick each other, they will say "oh that Coyote, he is the smartest one, he can even trick the great Coyote."; Grimey Drawer

Finster Dexter posted:

(hint: it's the junior dev, who everyone hates because he insists on leaving at a normal time every day)

Protip: also start doing this if you aren't.

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Osmosisch posted:

Protip: also start doing this if you aren't.

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champagne posting: Apr 5, 2006; YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Osmosisch posted:

Protip: also start doing this if you aren't.

pros of not leaving on time: nothing

cons: all of the cons

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big shtick energy: May 27, 2004

Boiled Water posted:

pros of not leaving on time: nothing

cons: all of the cons

but you�re not going to get that promotion to the next ICT level if you�re not a team player that delivers impressive results!

the best way to get it is to switch companies

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AggressivelyStupid: Jan 9, 2012

Osmosisch posted:

Protip: also start doing this if you aren't.

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elite_garbage_man: Apr 3, 2010; I THINK THAT "PRIMA DONNA" IS "PRE-MADONNA". I MAY BE ILLITERATE.

Leave before you even hit 8 hours.

# ? Nov 2, 2018 17:28

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

Finster Dexter posted:

cjs: what's the solution for a CTO that works 16-20 hour days but does nothing but work on features/bugs that are all low-medium priority when everyone else is crunching to get high-priority bugs fixed because we were supposed to launch this terrible russian platform months ago.

note: this is a startup dev team of me, a junior dev, and CTO.

take the important work, mark it trivial, assign it to cto

# ? Nov 2, 2018 17:44

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

take the important work, mark it trivial, assign it to cto

lmao

# ? Nov 2, 2018 17:48

prisoner of waffles: May 8, 2007; Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

pointsofdata posted:

Yeah letting the applications control the data structures is a surefire way to end up with a lovely db, loads of duplication and misrecs everywhere

there are legit usecases where the app should control the database schema and there are legit usecases where the database schema is its own thing and >1 app uses the same database.

# ? Nov 2, 2018 18:26

prisoner of waffles: May 8, 2007; Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

take the important work, mark it trivial, assign it to cto

"how to gently caress with people using the issue tracker" a book I would buy

# ? Nov 2, 2018 18:27

suffix: Jul 27, 2013; Wheeee!

ctps i used to think yaml was an overcomplicated, unpredictable and dangerous file format
but now i'm learning about anchors and merge keys and i'm realizing it is even worse than i thought

# ? Nov 2, 2018 21:39

prisoner of waffles: May 8, 2007; Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

suffix posted:

ctps i used to think yaml was an overcomplicated, unpredictable and dangerous file format
but now i'm learning about anchors and merge keys and i'm realizing it is even worse than i thought

wao, that's... interesting.
seeing that, my immediate reaction is "if I were using YAML on a team, I think we'd want to strictly limit the use of anchors etc"

e: lomarf at the deserialization vulnerabilities that no doubt were crawling all over the ruby libraries, for a start.

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Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

orms are bad sprocs are worse

bye

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gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

dbs are bad

not dbs is worse

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hailthefish: Oct 24, 2010

everything is bad

especially me

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redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

Finster Dexter posted:

cjs: what's the solution for a CTO that works 16-20 hour days but does nothing but work on features/bugs that are all low-medium priority when everyone else is crunching to get high-priority bugs fixed because we were supposed to launch this terrible russian platform months ago.

note: this is a startup dev team of me, a junior dev, and CTO.

you know the answer

:sever:

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