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Notorious b.s.d. posted:that's how you end up working for startups and pretending to be a ubuntu expert in all seriousness, tech companies don't give one gently caress what you wear to work or what you wear while interviewing.
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Jabor posted:that's also why you want to move around a lot - your signing bonus (vesting over x years) is often gonna be larger than the normal yearly handouts, so after your signing bonus is fully vested you can go somewhere else and collect another signing bonus depends on if you achieve the ultimate goal of golden handcuffs or not
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Nov 5, 2018 03:23
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Fiedler posted:in all seriousness, tech companies don't give one gently caress what you wear to work or what you wear while interviewing. mr nice shoes doesn't work for a tech company by that definition
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Nov 5, 2018 03:28
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bob dobbs is dead posted:mr nice shoes doesn't work for a tech company by that definition He's never claimed to
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doesn't nbsd literally work for a major bank in NY
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Ciaphas posted:doesn't nbsd literally work for a major bank in NY yes
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friend sent me this from his PMP book (some sort of product or project manager cert thing)
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agile is what you get if you censor a basically communist work ethos to make it palatable for middle managers
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bob dobbs is dead posted:mr nice shoes doesn't work for a tech company by that definition i did work a contract job at one of the big tech companies put west circa 2006. it sucked real bad and had its own set of weird cultural items clothing was still very important but every employee would mention “you can wear anything you want to work!” within five minutes, because I would be wearing slacks (needless to say, like every other workplace in the history of man, movers and shakers dressed like their bosses, and the bosses dressed like the middle managers, and so on and so forth.)
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KoRMaK posted:friend sent me this from his PMP book (some sort of product or project manager cert thing) 🖕
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Fiedler posted:in all seriousness, tech companies don't give one gently caress what you wear to work or what you wear while interviewing. I mean maybe a few brain cells will care if it's in NYC or London and in finance specifically. But anywhere on the west coast you might even be frowned upon for wearing dress clothes to an interview.
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I'm looking for possibly short term remote work (so I can move to Belize) and so many listings from US companies are 100% remote, theb you get to the small print on the application form and you have to live in the USA. Is there a particular reason for this? They don't make the condition very obvious but I think that's more parochialism than anything
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Nov 5, 2018 10:55
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Fiedler posted:in all seriousness, tech companies don't give one gently caress what you wear to work or what you wear while interviewing. I'd say this depends heavily on the company. I've interviewed with grand old companies where your interviewers are all managers and no one else where you'd have to at least wear trousers and a shirt with buttons.
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pointsofdata posted:I'm looking for possibly short term remote work (so I can move to Belize) and so many listings from US companies are 100% remote, theb you get to the small print on the application form and you have to live in the USA. Is there a particular reason for this? i am going on a limb and saying it's because the companies don't want to deal with another country's legal system & taxes & whatnot else when signing a contract with you edit: i think it'll be fine as long as you're a citizen of the us or someone legally allowed to work & live there
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Nov 5, 2018 12:57
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That's probably true - there are also places that are like "anywhere in utc-8 to utc-2" or something, which sounds like it could be a huge administrative burden if there wasn't a way to simplify it (services contracts?)
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yeah basically you can see remote work in all kinds of variations from "babbi's first remote" to "full blown remote":
in short: the three big blockers are 1. management letting go of being able to hover around employees for them to do their work, 2. having the legal and HR team to work across country boundaries, and 3. having the organizational structure to cope with the lack of synchronous meeting and broadly overlapping work hours
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Nov 5, 2018 14:59
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Boiled Water posted:I'd say this depends heavily on the company. I've interviewed with grand old companies where your interviewers are all managers and no one else where you'd have to at least wear trousers and a shirt with buttons. When I sat in on interviews at Experts Exchange, I would always feel bad for people who'd come in wearing suits while we were all looking lazy and schlubby, but one candidate came in dressed basically like us and I remember thinking, "Does this person even want this job?"
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Boiled Water posted:I'd say this depends heavily on the company. I've interviewed with grand old companies where your interviewers are all managers and no one else where you'd have to at least wear trousers and a shirt with buttons. no matter what the company is you have to dress to meet a bunch of hidden expectations wearing a suit to the interview when the big boss is wearing jeans and a button down is a huge fuckup, an own-goal with no excuse this is one of the things recruiters can really help you with — if they are inside recruiters they see candidates and hiring managers every day and they can tell you what to wear, at least in general terms.
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CPColin posted:When I sat in on interviews at Experts Exchange, I would always feel bad for people who'd come in wearing suits while we were all looking lazy and schlubby, but one candidate came in dressed basically like us and I remember thinking, "Does this person even want this job?" nobody wanted that job
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pointsofdata posted:I'm looking for possibly short term remote work (so I can move to Belize) and so many listings from US companies are 100% remote, theb you get to the small print on the application form and you have to live in the USA. Is there a particular reason for this? they don’t want to pay for your international flight or wait for you to manage layovers every time you make a quick trip to HQ also you will almost certainly be an illegal immigrant in Belize and the company wants no part of that lastly, hardly any American companies have offices or legal teams or HR or accounting in Belize. how are they going to avoid breaking the law themselves? — remember every “digital nomad” blogger is breaking a shitload of laws in his host country. “tax evading vagabond” is not a desirable traveler classification
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:nobody wanted that job We might not have even hired anybody after that series of interviews. If we did, they were gone within a few months. I can't imagine they're ever going to hire a programmer again between now and the final demise of the company.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:no matter what the company is you have to dress to meet a bunch of hidden expectations Agreed there, particularly for first impressions. At some point, some people in the company will look for a "culture fit" whatever the very loose definition of that is to them, and it may very well (consciously or not), include clothes. If they have a policy of "no dress code" but you still show up in a suit while everyone is in a hoodie, you are less likely to be seen as a fit. There's definitely conferences where I spoke at where I had to willingly dress less nicely than some of the stuff I'd have possibly wanted to wear because the content I wanted to speak about had some content in it that will be better-received if it sounds like it comes from a community insider. However sometimes what I did is give training to a group of devs, and especially if you look young, dressing up a bit nicer than what people in the room will wear may turn up doing well for you. I wouldn't expect it go really specific (you came in driving a car with these wheels?) unless you somehow end up right in someone's niche while they're also in a position of power and likely to make superficial judgement calls off of that niche. It's usually fine to ask a recruiter what the dress code is like before going for an in-person interview anyway.
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pointsofdata posted:I'm looking for possibly short term remote work (so I can move to Belize) and so many listings from US companies are 100% remote, theb you get to the small print on the application form and you have to live in the USA. Is there a particular reason for this? you know the terrible programmer thread title is a joke right?
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I'm not actually moving to Belize, I will be a legal immigrant in an EU state, and I am going to be paying the correct taxes (sadly significantly more than Belizean ones!), I just need to have a bit of flexibility about location for a while. Plenty of companies seem support this now, Mononcqc's summary makes a lot of sense.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:wearing a suit to the interview when the big boss is wearing jeans and a button down is a huge fuckup, an own-goal with no excuse
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yeah it really doesn't seem like a big deal. I've certainly seen candidates who did the opposite get hired
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wearing a suit to an interview is generally a massive fuckup because either you look like a dick, or youre interviewing somewhere where you have to wear a suit because of abstract arbitrary reasons which instantly makes it a garbage workplace you can be goddamn sure that if your boss cares about how you dress they approach everything else in the workplace from the same petty and superficial place
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I go to all my interviews in gym shorts and a stained T-shirt & scratch my crotch at least once per interviewer
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Gazpacho posted:I go to all my interviews in gym shorts and a stained T-shirt & scratch my crotch at least once per interviewer i unironically have done this and got an offer it was pretty lowball, i admit, but it was my second job out of school (i didnt take the offer)
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otoh if you own nice suits and have the confidence to pull them off you probably look pretty cool, do what you feel
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Mao Zedong Thot posted:wearing a suit to an interview is generally a massive fuckup because either you look like a dick, or youre interviewing somewhere where you have to wear a suit because of abstract arbitrary reasons which instantly makes it a garbage workplace west coast moron spotted
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i don't understand why suits don't appeal more to the spectrum-adjacent tech world. you get to look great without actually understanding fashion or style, just follow these rules and you are objectively Dressed Correctly. plus you can really nerd out and spend money on high quality clothing to advertise your superiority
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i used to wear lovely suits to work almost every day and it was pretty great suits are designed to be comfortable, and there was pretty much no thinking about what to wear in a given day it's like wearing a uniform except that it's not actually a uniform
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Gazpacho posted:I go to all my interviews in gym shorts and a stained T-shirt & scratch my crotch at least once per interviewer only interview naked
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MononcQc posted:It's usually fine to ask a recruiter what the dress code is like before going for an in-person interview anyway. it's always fine you may not get a useful answer, but it never hurts to ask
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DELETE CASCADE posted:i don't understand why suits don't appeal more to the spectrum-adjacent tech world. you get to look great without actually understanding fashion or style, just follow these rules and you are objectively Dressed Correctly. plus you can really nerd out and spend money on high quality clothing to advertise your superiority but suits are Businessy and anything Businessy isn't Cool
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Arcsech posted:but suits are Businessy and anything Businessy isn't Cool
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Arcsech posted:but suits are Businessy and anything Businessy isn't Cool getting figgies is pretty cool
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i used to wear lovely suits to work almost every day and it was pretty great yeah it's a shame their image has turned into the polar opposite of what they were originally for and i hope they make a return at some point
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so are suits still a thing east of the mississippi? at least for architect/manager level outside finance? god i feel old for remembering when it was a navy vs black suit thing.
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