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if you're willing to dump a grand in to finding the car why not just find a decent dealer to work with and buy the car from them
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I used my credit union's purchasing service. I told them what i was looking for in the way of model, trims and colors. They did the legwork of finding dealers, gave me a couple options and when I selected the car i wanted the dealer delivered it to my front door. All this was conducted over email, no haggling or anything, just "here's the Crosstrek you want, here's what it will cost minus title and transfer". Edit: They came in slightly under the quotes i was getting locally from dealers over email too, since the dealer they went with was a fleet dealer in Monterey instead of some place in the bay area.
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Nov 1, 2018 20:45
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:if you're willing to dump a grand in to finding the car why not just find a decent dealer to work with and buy the car from them Yeah, I don't really see the point of paying someone $500 so you can maybe (if you're lucky) get $500 off the price of the car. You're not actually saving any money. Unless the dealer is known to be absolute scum, just go in and tell them what you want.
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Nov 1, 2018 20:47
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Here's something: we've been considering getting a Consumer Reports subscription. Looks like they have a car buying service as well. Are there any differences in these services? Or will they all generally net the same price from dealers?
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Nov 1, 2018 21:26
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DaveSauce posted:Here's something: we've been considering getting a Consumer Reports subscription. Looks like they have a car buying service as well. Check to see if your library offers free consumer reports accounts. Their service basically just let's you contact local dealerships with an upfront price. I think I used it to find dealerships that had cars with options I wanted, but I contacted the dealers directly.
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Nov 1, 2018 23:53
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Anyone have any experience buying a used Tesla? It's an S so the reliability seems to be pretty good.
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Nov 2, 2018 13:24
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DaveSauce posted:Has anyone used a car buying service like Automatch? When my ex wife cracked up her 2015 FiST, I had to replace it, so I tried Carvana. What a bunch of gently caress sticks. 1.) The particular car that I ordered via Carvana, two days before scheduled delivery suddenly "was no longer available" 2.) The "replacement" car for that one was scheduled to be delivered on July 10th. 3.) When I called on July 9th to confirm they said yes, be at the delivery spot by 9:00 AM tomorrow. 4.) At noon on the 10th, still no car. I called and they told me that "There was a problem with delivery we won't be able to deliver until the 19th". 5.) Two days later "The car was damaged in transit, we are sending it to a repair center, we will have it done by the 25th". Sorry for any inconvenience. When pressed about what happened they said that they think that the car delivery folks damaged the roof. Uh what??? 6.) Two days later? Another call that they are not sure it will be done by the 25th. So I cancelled the order. Or rather had to fight with them to cancel the order. They wanted to take 250 dollars off of the price of the car (18k). Mind you this was a 2017 FiST with less than 6000 miles on it. The manager I talked to was a total bag of cocks. Didn't want to try to help didn't do jack poo poo. Finally got them to cancel the order. Found out 4 days later the car was sold two states south for 24.5k (which is what a new FiST costs with the Recaros).
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Nov 2, 2018 13:34
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I also had a poor prospective purchasing experience with Carvana. They won't take any money off the price no matter how much they screw up usually, and their prices are not competitive. Separate from my personal experience I think people value a level of convenience highly so I think they'll do well commercially. I don't think it's for me. For those who didn't know it was created as and used to be a part of DriveTime which is like a crappier CarMax clone?
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Something Offal posted:I also had a poor prospective purchasing experience with Carvana. They won't take any money off the price no matter how much they screw up usually, and their prices are not competitive. Separate from my personal experience I think people value a level of convenience highly so I think they'll do well commercially. I don't think it's for me. Yep, agree with you totally here. They suck but most people would rather deal with something that sucks to do it for them, than do it themselves.
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Nov 2, 2018 15:11
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All that sounds way less convenient then just going to a dealership, especially if the prices aren’t that competitive to begin with.
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Nov 2, 2018 20:58
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I recently was selling a car and was in a hurry to sell. Carvana reached out to me with an offer on the low side but way above what other dealerships were offering. They also offered to pick it up at my house and gave me 7 days to decide. On the 6th day I hadn't gotten any bites private party, so I decided to accept their offer. After jumping through the hoops of their online process, I couldn't get them to honor the offer. They insisted it was expired and made a new offer for $150 less. They also said I had to drop the car off 40 miles away. Suffice to say, I said gently caress you, dropped the price of my ad to their original offer, and sold it private party within 48 hours. Hate the bait and switch.
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Nov 2, 2018 23:06
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I'm looking to replace my 03 Forester as this is the 4th time in 9 years that it's blown a head gasket. DD to and from work (50km round trip), very occasionally haul the kids in it. Does anyone have any opinions on this car? It seems like a good deal, but is that too cheap for a 2013 with that low mileage? I've bought from that dealer before and they're definitely on the shadier side of things. Or is there a good reason for that model in particular to be so cheap?
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EKDS5k posted:I'm looking to replace my 03 Forester as this is the 4th time in 9 years that it's blown a head gasket. DD to and from work (50km round trip), very occasionally haul the kids in it. Does anyone have any opinions on this car? It seems like a good deal, but is that too cheap for a 2013 with that low mileage? I've bought from that dealer before and they're definitely on the shadier side of things. Or is there a good reason for that model in particular to be so cheap? The 2013 focus has a bad reputation because that gen had GARBAGE auto transmissions and a major recall. So overall the focus brand is cheap on resale market. You picked out a manual which are hard to sell. But this is still 1-3 thousand under regular market value for that km. I am wondering if its possibly a former rental or even had major work. Ask for the carfax. Compare to other prices for same car.. https://www.autotrader.ca/cars/ford...=advancedSearch
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Nov 3, 2018 01:32
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I'm sorry for the dumb question, but I haven't bought a car in over a decade. Is there a way to see how dealer incentives + dealer financing compares to dealer incentives + bank/CU financing? I'm assuming I'll get the best rate with my credit score, but don't see how paying APR to my credit union is better than financing with the auto company. What am I missing? I'm not doing any tradeins.
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Nov 3, 2018 05:03
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Is there some reason there are suddenly (like within the last 1-2 weeks) a bunch of used 2018 E400 coupes with corporate fleet and dealer title priors in my area? Where did they come from? https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=493868737 https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=463354406 https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=498275215 https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=497774443 https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=498695296 https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=497481068 https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=497505371
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Nov 3, 2018 05:35
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Probably service loaners from the MB dealer.
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Nov 3, 2018 06:23
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skipdogg posted:Probably service loaners from the MB dealer. Likely this. Could also be press cars, or some sort of fleet car for employees.
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Nov 3, 2018 13:09
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I guess buying any of those would probably be a bad plan?
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press cars hard no, loaners no, employee fleet eeeh but it's hard to tell the difference Evil SpongeBob posted:I'm sorry for the dumb question, but I haven't bought a car in over a decade. just to clean up some language - there are dealer "incentives" which are generally just discounts and price supports that an individual dealer offers to get a deal, and there are manufacturer supported incentives, which are offered across all dealers in region. similarly there is dealer financing, which is from a third party usually fairly reputable bank or banks through the dealer, and manufacturer financing (BMW Financial Services, Volkswagen Credit, etc). These are not the same. usually, the manufacturer offers financing support in lieu of other cash based incentives - so there may be $1,500 consumer cash on the hood, but there isn't if you take BMWFS' 0.9% 60 month X down special rate. your options are essentially 1) Dealer price - OEM cash incentives with BYO financing 2) Dealer price - OEM cash incentives with dealer financing 3) Dealer price - OEM cash incentives (which you may not fully qualify for because you are taking the OEM financing) with OEM financing calculate your total OTD price, take out your down payment amount, look at rate and term, and voila, you have your total cost that you can compare. Let's say that the dealer is quoting you a cost of $32,000 OTD for a car, all in with taxes, registration, etc, but before any OEM incentives. Since you are currently a competitive brand lessee, the OEM is going to give you five hundred bucks. The OEM is also going to offer you either $1,000 in cash on the hood, or a 1.9% 60 month loan. You plan to put 5,500 down on the car. You can get a rate of 2.9% through your local bank and have been preapproved for an appropriate amount, and the dealer will give you a rate of 3.5% 1) $32,000 - ($500 + $1000) = $30,500. Less your downpayment brings you to $25,000. Through your own financing, you are going to pay $1886 in interest on 60 months. 2) $32,000 - ($500 + $1000) = $30,500. Less your downpayment brings you to $25,000. Through the dealer's financing, you are going to pay $2,228 in interest on 60 months. 2) $32,000 - ($500) = $30,500. Less your downpayment brings you to $26,000. Through the manufacturer's financing, you are going to pay $1,275 in interest on 60 months, but you've paid a thousand bucks more for the car so your total cost is going to be higher than if you had taken either of the other financing options. Basically - just do the math as above and you'll be able to figure it out.
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Great, thanks! I didn't know dealer was different from manufacturer. I don't trust anyone with my PII, so that somewhat figures into the deal. I'll crunch that after coffee this morning.
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Car recommendation (via template) Proposed Budget: $30k or less. Hopefully much less. New or Used: Used. Possibly lease, but greatly prefer used. Body Style: Compact or Midsized How will you be using the car?: Congested city driving (Greater Boston area). What aspects are most important to you? (e.g. reliability, cost of ownership/maintenance, import/domestic, MPG, size, style) This is a car for my wife. What I'm looking to stick with
What's new to me - modern safety features:
Disclaimer: I never paid more than $20k for a car. I got very lucky when I bought used so far, and I've gotten my share of used cars. That said, I'm "old" and every car I had so far was simple. For example, if I wanted to add a GPS to my Pilot, I just took out the 2-Din tape player and replaced it with an after-market android-auto box with touch screen/etc. I know the newer cars have this stuff built in and don't like to be messed with, but aside from that I'm totally out of the loop. *Edit: Love Subarus but I get scared when that make passes 80k miles. *As for an awd 2 series, that's the only one that I'd think of leasing instead of buying. *Edit2: She loves the look of a Mini. *Edit3: The Infiniti M35, obviously not the army truck. diadem fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Nov 5, 2018 |
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ok a couple of points 1) all cars are fine in the snow with some very edge case exceptions. get snow tires. 2) lane departure systems will not try to keep you in your lane if you use your turn signals correctly and you can always turn them off 3) as a former South End resident i would not consider such things as an Infiniti M an appropriate size to park in the city but you do you 4) to get the tech you want, you are going to have to go relatively new, and at that point you should consider just buying new the Mini is a perfectly OK choice for all your other criteria besides reliability, which is also true of another few suggestions that I will add which are the Fiat 500 Abarth / 500c Abarth the Volkswagen GTI both of which meet all of your criteria except reliability. if you really want reliability i suggest very gently used: mazda3 honda civic any of the current gen of weird baby CUVs like the Buick Encore, Mazda CX-3, Toyota CHR, et al (except they're kind of slow) I'm also going to point out as I tend to do in these threads that it's a car for your wife and at some level the less involved you are in the process the happier both of you will probably be.
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Yeah, echoing Kyoon's points. There are literally dozens of different cars that could work for you, and the only way to narrow it down is to go drive some. You can afford to be picky. Don't like the driving position? Axe it. Interior looks tacky? Axe it. Be honest and brutal. You've got a big list to work through. Also echoing that if it's going to be your wife's car, stand back and let her do all the choosing. You can ask questions about what she likes or doesn't like, but honor her responses and don't try to talk her into anything. My wife drives a minivan which is huge and I hate driving it. It's her car, though, and she loves it. That's all that matters. My daughter drives a SmartCar. I hate it too, for different reasons. But again, she loves it so I keep my mouth shut.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:ok a couple of points The Fiat 500??? are you serious? Those things are the worst cars on the roads in North America. Tons of issues, low reliablity, and god help you if you get in ANY type of accident with them. They are literally poo poo. I would recommend the Mazda 3 as well. They are darn good vehicles. Reliable, safe and get decent gas milage.
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EvilMerlin posted:The Fiat 500??? are you serious? Those things are the worst cars on the roads in North America. Tons of issues, low reliablity, and god help you if you get in ANY type of accident with them. They're tiny and good for getting around in cities. If that's a hugely important factor, you can live with the rest. It's all a matter of priorities. His priorities aren't necessarily yours.
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I thought recent GTI reliability was supposed to be pretty decent (post 2010 or 15?) and certainly nowhere near being lumped together with the dumpster fire FCA products.
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EvilMerlin posted:The Fiat 500??? are you serious? Those things are the worst cars on the roads in North America. Tons of issues, low reliablity, and god help you if you get in ANY type of accident with them.
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Deteriorata posted:They're tiny and good for getting around in cities. If that's a hugely important factor, you can live with the rest. It's all a matter of priorities. His priorities aren't necessarily yours. I would figure reliability and not loving dying to be high on most people's lists are there by default.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:
As someone who used to live in boston, you should know why is is a problem for someone who lives in boston.
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EvilMerlin posted:I would figure reliability and not loving dying to be high on most people's lists are there by default. dawg the Fiat 500 does well at everything except small overlap: https://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/fiat/500-2-door-hatchback and i specifically said it didn't meet the reliability requirement nm posted:As someone who used to live in boston, you should know why is is a problem for someone who lives in boston. oh for sure
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Nov 5, 2018 17:15
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The 500 did get bad scores on euroncap.
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I will say again, the Fiat 500 is a piece of dangerous poo poo.
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The Fiat 500 is maybe the 20th best subcompact car on the market today. There are about 21 in the category. The only thing it has going for it is being stupid easy to park because its dangerously undersized, and its gets bonus points for being "zany and european" but really its just Chrysler poo poo. Good small cars you can buy for around 20k 2017+ corolla 2018+ Any civic that doesn't have the turbo engine 2016+ Mazda 3 2018+ elantra Good small suv things that will cost more like 25-30k Rav4 CRV Sante Fe If you find you are more comfortable in the snow in a fake suv thing, I'd buy a RAV4. But I've driven in DEEP snow in a corolla with good winters and driving appropriately and never got stuck or driven off the road.
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the 500 abarth is still really fun to drive, cheap, very small, and interesting, and a logical thing to cross shop if people like the way MINIs look
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zapplez posted:The Fiat 500 is maybe the 20th best subcompact car on the market today. I'd also add for 21k you can get the Fiesta ST which is a loving hoot to drive. Not a winter car at all. But drat its fun.
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EvilMerlin posted:I'd also add for 21k you can get the Fiesta ST which is a loving hoot to drive. Not a winter car at all. But drat its fun. manual only, if that matters to the dude's wife edit: also not available in red these days. i had a FoST in greater Boston and it was just fine with winter tires KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Nov 5, 2018 |
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Any FWD car with ESC and snow tires will be fine in any urban or suburban environment unless you need to like get to the hospital or fire station because you're a nurse, doctor, or firefighter, etc.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:manual only, if that matters to the dude's wife Yeah FiST here, 90 minutes north of Boston, put winter tires (Blizzaks) on it and it was no problem. Forgot it was stick only... but everyone should know how to drive a stick!
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:the 500 abarth is still really fun to drive, cheap, very small, and interesting, and a logical thing to cross shop if people like the way MINIs look The 500 abarth is another one of those goon love it cars that the general public doesnt care about and is probably a terrible choice for 99% of "non-car" people. Dont buy a fiat goon wife. And I wouldn't buy a focus/fiesta either unless they have somehow improved their auto transmissions as it was looking like it was close to a class action against them for how lovely they are.
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The 500 was a cool car when it came out in 2007 or whatever but it's been unchanged ever since. It actually predates the Fiat/Chrysler tie-up, if anything it's a distant relation to some European market Fords.
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