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priznat posted:Autonomous motorcycle should just be some kind of yard chipper that people step into directly, same end result. hey, there's a reason ER Docs call motorcycle riders "organ donors"
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Hermsgervørden posted:Boeing with a safety bulletin after Lion Air Flight 610. Could it be that we've finally learned to lay off the wild speculation and wait until the investigation provides some real data?
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Kilonum posted:hey, there's a reason ER Docs call motorcycle riders "organ donors" My cousin is a firefighter and has a lot of motorcycle fatality stories (often they arrive before the ambulance). Heads in helmets come off surprisingly regularly it seems. 
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Ola posted:Not sure what's more American, keeping WW2 aircraft flying as a hobby or dispensing fake butter from a tap. Well, considering that England also has hobbyists who keep WWII aircraft flying but probably don't have many fake butter taps I'm going to go with the fake butter from a tap.
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Murgos posted:Well, considering that England also has hobbyists who keep WWII aircraft flying but probably don't have many fake butter taps I'm going to go with the fake butter from a tap. In England you get separate taps for hot and cold fake butter.
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The article seems to suggest it overran on landing; no fatalities which is always a good thing though. Animal activist sabotage to save the lobsters? Pilot error? Maintenance oversight?
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movax posted:The article seems to suggest it overran on landing; no fatalities which is always a good thing though. Probably the latter two considering the country.
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movax posted:The article seems to suggest it overran on landing; no fatalities which is always a good thing though. No such luck on the lobsters: quote:Airport spokesperson Theresa Rath Spicer said the Sky Lease Cargo plane coming from Chicago was making a scheduled landing to pick up live lobster and then fly to China, with a stop in Alaska along the way. Rath Spicer said the lobster was instead picked up by Gateway Aviation to be transported to its destination.
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so my friend says "Have you had lunch at the Flying Cowboy over in Douglas? No? OK let's go." he mentioned that there was a "special project" being worked on at that airport, maybe we can take a look after lunch there was a flyer  which was attached to something quite special indeed  1 of the 2 functional XP-82s still in existence. We had a conversation with the pilot / project chief - he was in the process of changing the brake pucks because the ones currently fitted didn't work all that well until they got some heat in them - at which point it was too late He was also waiting on a set of wheels. They commissioned new ones made out of aluminum because the magnesium originals burn too easily.
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So this would obviously take quite a bit of time to coordinate, but I was wondering if anyone would be interested in doing a Goon Tour to the Threat Training Facility (and perhaps the Thunderbirds museum) at Nellis AFB in Nevada. Unlike Edwards, which has a monthly tour, Nellis requires a group before their PAO will organize one. You need more than ten, but less than 40 people (presumably because that's the limit of their on-site bus). For those who aren't aware, the Threat Training Facility is colloquially-known as the "Petting Zoo," where you're allowed to touch and/or climb all over/inside a ton of nifty OpFor stuff: http://aviationphotodigest.com/nellis-threat-training-facility/ I'm willing to be the schmuck who organizes it, but I'd like to gauge interest first. Foreign nationals are welcome, but it requires another layer of complexity (over simply getting to Vegas, that is). BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Nov 7, 2018 |
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The petting zoo is very cool and worth a visit. And, you know, Vegas is right there if that’s your thing.
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I’d love to go. I’m local to SoCal. Let’s see what kind of interest you get.
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Depending on timing, I might be in. Might also be looking to split a hotel room and rental.
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buttcrackmenace posted:so my friend says "Have you had lunch at the Flying Cowboy over in Douglas? No? OK let's go." Holy poo poo! I had no idea there were any of those left! That's amazing for you! Thank you for sharing.
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I'd imagine they plan on recouping at least some of the refurbishment cost by offering rides in the other cockpit.
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Is that the XP-82 from this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQP0IHH3FTs
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BIG HEADLINE posted:So this would obviously take quite a bit of time to coordinate, but I was wondering if anyone would be interested in doing a Goon Tour to the Threat Training Facility (and perhaps the Thunderbirds museum) at Nellis AFB in Nevada. Unlike Edwards, which has a monthly tour, Nellis requires a group before their PAO will organize one. You need more than ten, but less than 40 people (presumably because that's the limit of their on-site bus). For those who aren't aware, the Threat Training Facility is colloquially-known as the "Petting Zoo," where you're allowed to touch and/or climb all over/inside a ton of nifty OpFor stuff: http://aviationphotodigest.com/nellis-threat-training-facility/ I'm definitely down, one for sure a 2nd is a strong possibility.
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Yeah, I'm looking at a timeline of setting this up of late May at the earliest, and September/October at the latest. They specifically say on the information page that they won't hold tours from 6/1 to 8/31 because of the summer heat. Also, I just noticed this: Groups are responsible for their own transportation (individual vehicles or caravanning is not allowed) and making all other arrangements outside the formal tour (e.g. if tour includes a lunch stop). A maximum of 1 bus per tour. I'm thinking this means "get your own bus." GOONBUS!  Again, this'll take some coordination, but I'm sure I can pull it off. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Maybe they mean fly in?  Can we combine bobafett to TDY a goon V-22 
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SeaborneClink posted:Maybe they mean fly in? (ear protection required) I already found and sent a pricing query to a bus company out there that evidently has a DoD contract, which I'd imagine would make certification through Nellis' PAO easier. They offer 15-20 person airport shuttle-type busses and 40-50+ person motor coaches. I kind of shudder to think what the latter would cost for ~6-8 hours of use. I also don't know if there are any Nellis goons - I'm sure there are, but when I inquired a while back in the Air Force thread, I got no bites, and I'm not going to bug someone into having to worry about their careers if someone they vouched for runs amok on the base and gets arrested. Oh, that's the other thing - Edwards did a full NCIC background check for their tour, and I'd imagine Nellis would want the same. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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The only ones I'm aware of (there are probably others) are contractors, which doesn't help.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I'm willing to be the schmuck who organizes it, but I'd like to gauge interest first. I would love to do this, but unfortunately I won't be able to participate unless it falls beyond your current timeline. Great idea and I hope you get a great group for this!
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BIG HEADLINE posted:So this would obviously take quite a bit of time to coordinate, but I was wondering if anyone would be interested in doing a Goon Tour to the Threat Training Facility (and perhaps the Thunderbirds museum) at Nellis AFB in Nevada. Unlike Edwards, which has a monthly tour, Nellis requires a group before their PAO will organize one. You need more than ten, but less than 40 people (presumably because that's the limit of their on-site bus). For those who aren't aware, the Threat Training Facility is colloquially-known as the "Petting Zoo," where you're allowed to touch and/or climb all over/inside a ton of nifty OpFor stuff: http://aviationphotodigest.com/nellis-threat-training-facility/ I'm definitely interested but am currently not a US national, although according to USCIS that will not be the case by February 2019. Not sure how that works with the timing of everything.
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Foreign nationals were welcome at Edwards and simply used their passports (there were two of them). I'd imagine instead of a NCIC check, they'd go through Interpol, which would likely take a little longer. Supposedly so long as you're confirmed 30 days in advance, it should be fine, but you'd better believe I'd make sure for you so there'd be no surprises. I'm not even going to contact Nellis until I can figure out a good day for it that doesn't conflict with any big conferences or events in Vegas or any events at Nellis, and until we've enough people with enough of a margin to still stay above the minimum of ten. So no to Memorial Day Weekend, even if it'd be convenient. Nellis occasionally has an air show over the Memorial Day Weekend, and the base will be a madhouse. And I'm eying mid-to-late May (17th or the 24th) of next year at the earliest, and September/October at the latest, because they don't give tours from 6/1-8/31 because of Nevada's summer temperatures. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Godholio posted:May is usually pretty busy. Not sure how that particular week looks. Probably September or October, then. I figure six months is the bare minimum of time to get something like this organized and locked down. I'm taking down the profile links of everyone who says they're interested, so even if forum names change I'll have a record. Going to have to resist the temptation to say we're all from a "dead gay internet comedy forum" when they ask what the group is. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Hermsgervørden posted:Boeing with a safety bulletin after Lion Air Flight 610. Faulty Angle of Attack sensor. A stall doesn't occur due to low airspeed, it occurs due to the critical angle of attack being exceeded. Despite this being hammered into the head of every student pilot ever it's still a thing the industry doesn't really grok. High AoA cues and the stick shaker activation point are both typically displayed on the airspeed indicator which leads to confusion about the aerodynamic state of the airplane in the event of either of the systems failing. In AF 447 the pilots ignored stall warnings that were real because they assumed they were erroneous do to their failed airspeed information. Here it looks like the lion air pilots may have assumed their airspeed was wrong (it still may have been, we don't know yet) and tried to recover from an erroneous stall indication made worse by the airplane continuing to trim nose down to reduce the AoA.
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To be fair things break on airplanes all the time and the plane will continue flying perfectly safe and normal, so when something erroneous happens it’s easy to write it off as part of the failed system, especially when other systems appear to be fine, like the airspeed in 447 and now maybe the AoA with this flight. The sound and feel (if there even is real feel, most control feel is artificial) of a large transport category aircraft when it’s slow is very subtle and is nothing like the pronounced feel of a Cessna. I’m not saying it’s right, but human factors are a hell of a thing.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:So this would obviously take quite a bit of time to coordinate, but I was wondering if anyone would be interested in doing a Goon Tour to the Threat Training Facility (and perhaps the Thunderbirds museum) at Nellis AFB in Nevada. Unlike Edwards, which has a monthly tour, Nellis requires a group before their PAO will organize one. You need more than ten, but less than 40 people (presumably because that's the limit of their on-site bus). For those who aren't aware, the Threat Training Facility is colloquially-known as the "Petting Zoo," where you're allowed to touch and/or climb all over/inside a ton of nifty OpFor stuff: http://aviationphotodigest.com/nellis-threat-training-facility/ I'm interested in this.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:So this would obviously take quite a bit of time to coordinate, but I was wondering if anyone would be interested in doing a Goon Tour to the Threat Training Facility (and perhaps the Thunderbirds museum) at Nellis AFB in Nevada. Unlike Edwards, which has a monthly tour, Nellis requires a group before their PAO will organize one. You need more than ten, but less than 40 people (presumably because that's the limit of their on-site bus). For those who aren't aware, the Threat Training Facility is colloquially-known as the "Petting Zoo," where you're allowed to touch and/or climb all over/inside a ton of nifty OpFor stuff: http://aviationphotodigest.com/nellis-threat-training-facility/ I am extremely interested in this.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Probably September or October, then. I figure six months is the bare minimum of time to get something like this organized and locked down. I'm taking down the profile links of everyone who says they're interested, so even if forum names change I'll have a record. I'm also a socal local and am super interested in this as long as I'm in town.
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Re: Lion Air incident, Boeing has issued an emergency AD, 3 day compliance, for modified flight ops procedures due to the speed control system causing uncontrolled nose down due to erroneous AoA readings (that's not a direct quote so don't shoot the messenger if it's not 100% exactly correct).
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hobbesmaster posted:For the max series only? That’s a huge fuckup Don't know the extent, treat what I said as hearsay because I'm not on the 737 group emails, it's just what I've heard from my colleagues who have seen the details. I'll try and get a little more info tomorrow.
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737-8 and 737-9 models.quote:(e) Unsafe Condition http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgad.nsf/AOCADSearch/83EC7F95F3E5BFBD8625833E0070A070?OpenDocument
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I'm not sure that it's a screw up with the system design itself, but more a lack of training or understanding of what to do when something goes wrong with it. So the procedure is being emphasized through the SB and AD. The high AoA indication can cause automatic nose down pitching, but can be corrected by control column input and cutting out the system. Who knows yet exactly what all went on, though. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/faa-follows-boeings-737-safety-alert-with-an-emergency-directive/ quote:The FAA directive tells operators that the false AOA reading can create a cascade of false indications on the flight deck that may confuse the flight crew. This popped up in my feed and seemed sorta similar, maybe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cSh_Wo_mcY https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/the-untold-story-of-qf72-what-happens-when-psycho-automation-leaves-pilots-powerless-20170511-gw26ae.html And this just happened, though entirely pilot error. Unexpected nose downs must be quite intense. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46137445 "Plane drops 500ft in 18 seconds after error" AzureSkys fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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