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jesus WEP posted:how hard would it be for me to find work in the usa as a well paid finance computer toucher lots of places where they'll hire you if you can breathe and actually touch computers (read: jump through idiot interviewing hoops and do some interview code) your problem is visas. are you from a rich european country or japan
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i hold british and irish passports
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Nov 8, 2018 16:14
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jesus WEP posted:i hold british and irish passports h1b is for you
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Best bet is probably to get job in London then try to transfer to New York
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company i work for has offices somewhere in limeyland and also multiple places in US. not finance though
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Nov 8, 2018 17:34
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cheque_some posted:Best bet is probably to get job in London then try to transfer to New York This sort of works but is still a big pain. Have to justify why you can't hire an American or something
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Nov 8, 2018 17:46
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Have you considered getting a job in London and just being paid a lot less?
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pointsofdata posted:This sort of works but is still a big pain. Have to justify why you can't hire an American or something You just have to put an ad in the physical news paper where nerds don't check anymore, and then be like see no one qualified applied! We need jesus WEP please approve. It's stupid, but part of the song and dance
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pointsofdata posted:This sort of works but is still a big pain. Have to justify why you can't hire an American or something But if it's a big firm and they like you they'll take care of this for you. C/p your resume and call it "job requirements", boom, can't find any one that meets them A couple years ago I saw a classified ad for a Quantitative Analyst at a top investment bank in the classified ads of am New York, in with all the ads for maids, security guards, and massage parlors "we ran an ad for a month in the highest circulation newspaper in Manhattan and found no one qualified, we gotta transfer someone in from Frankfurt" pointsofdata posted:Have you considered getting a job in London and just being paid a lot less? Edit: crap, beaten cheque_some fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Nov 8, 2018 19:07
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i realize the uk with brexit looming seems bad but moving to the us really isn't going to make anything better also don't get fooled by the figgies, there are lots of expenses you'll have that simply don't exist in europe, such as contributing significant amounts of money to political campaigning to try to maybe hopefully avoid actual nazis getting elected for public office
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TheFluff posted:i realize the uk with brexit looming seems bad but moving to the us really isn't going to make anything better these jobs dont exist outside the sfba seattle and some other points of non-crap in the republican darkness
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bob dobbs is dead posted:these jobs dont exist outside the sfba seattle and some other points of non-crap in the republican darkness yea but congress
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jesus WEP posted:how hard would it be for me to find work in the usa as a well paid finance computer toucher in terms of dealing with visa and quality of life stuff youd probably be better off just going to germany or nz like im currently doing
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TheFluff posted:i realize the uk with brexit looming seems bad but moving to the us really isn't going to make anything better the uk's mistake is permanent the us' mistake is at least potentially temporary, assuming free elections dont go away in the process
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Boiled Water posted:I see you’ve also interviewed with palantir lol I just noped a palantir recruiter hard, they're on the prowl
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Achmed Jones posted:lol I just noped a palantir recruiter hard, they're on the prowl I make sure to reply to Palantir recruiters. Make sure to tell them how immoral what their company does and enables is.
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cheque_some posted:Best bet is probably to get job in London then try to transfer to New York This is horrible advice, for two reasons. One is that the visa you'll use to enter the US will be L-1. This is non-transferable. You continue working for your sponsor or you can go pound sand back at home. Your manager will occasionally gently remind you of this fact, particularly if you have the temerity to ask for a raise. The other is that London computer touchers can be paid peanuts whereas New York computer touchers are paid something at least vaguely approaching an equitable share of their generated value. Given that businesses are not generally known for going out of their way to increase their costs...
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Flaming June posted:nothing kills my interest faster than a complicated timed code exercise in a language i said i don't have much experience in, with no option to change it, and no one on the other end to complain to Or working in languages like java or C# whose workflows more or less depend on IDE support, so now you’re fighting compiler errors instead of fighting their test suite and the clock is ticking and in the case of Amazon it’s all just pass-fail and It’ll be 3/4ths of a year before they let you reapply and  AAAAAAAAAAAAAI wish I was some sort of self-promoting known conference speaker / writer and don’t have to walk through the same doors as the Top Coder studying recent-grads.
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Sapozhnik posted:This is horrible advice, for two reasons. yeah, just go for a us only company and say you need sponsorship
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huh. apparently i had a phone screen to be a consultant at a consulting firm? ok i know zip about consulting tho they have a 4.2 on glassdoor and are in chicago too so hey
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any company with a high rating on glassdoor is astroturfing. there are two believable ratings on glass door: average and below average
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yeah the bad reviews on glassdoor are 100x more believable than the good ones. not all good reviews are fake but set the shill detector to maximum sensitivity before reading them
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oh my god I just realized that interviewing for programming jobs is its own loving field that you could spend hours doing. Like part time amount of hours learning all these loving katas and different dev processes like tdd or ddd. It's it's own specialized field. How annoying. This came rushing to me as I read this as I was giving a new friend recommendations http://codingdojo.org/kata/RomanNumerals/ quote:* if you don’t know an algorithm to do this already, can you derive one using strict TDD? Question two feels like such a "duh" from me, which then makes me a little concerned with what I don't know. anyway, I came across this because I'm helping a buddy and all the different poo poo he could do to learn and get a job came rushing to me and I realized how much time you could spend just on interviewing stuff alone. I'm going to send him this thread instead.
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:yeah the bad reviews on glassdoor are 100x more believable than the good ones. not all good reviews are fake but set the shill detector to maximum sensitivity before reading them ehhhh i dunno. i've seen negative reviews for previous places i've worked where it was clear the person had a chip on their shoulder and didn't realize they were the problem. just gotta take it all with a grain of salt, postive or negative, and use it as guidance for asking prodding questions during your interview. generally if you read enough of them the overall trends will start to emerge where the genuine positives will come out even if the reviewer is typing in all caps about how much they hated working there or negatives will be mentioned because the hr turfing can't make it *that* obvious that they're pumping the numbers
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FMguru posted:i always figured that contacting you months after you apply was a sign that the guy they hired didnt work out so before they start the whole expensive hunt up again why not see if any of the better qualified applicants they passed on are still available. a longshot (esp in this labor market) but hey if it pays out it can save the company a lot of time and effort and money never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
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KoRMaK posted:oh my god I just realized that interviewing for programming jobs is its own loving field that you could spend hours doing. Like part time amount of hours learning all these loving katas and different dev processes like tdd or ddd. It's it's own specialized field. How annoying. This came rushing to me as I read this as I was giving a new friend recommendations That's kinda the thesis of this thread tbh, see title
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any interviewer that asks me to tdd a roman numeral is gonna get an eyeroll and a thanks for your time
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KoRMaK posted:oh my god I just realized that interviewing for programming jobs is its own loving field that you could spend hours doing. Like part time amount of hours learning all these loving katas and different dev processes like tdd or ddd. It's it's own specialized field. How annoying. This came rushing to me as I read this as I was giving a new friend recommendations I was reading a scala book (I work at a scala shop now) that described "mess around with the REPL before you start your real work so you have an idea of what you're going to do" as "experiment driven development" It was a really satisfying thing to read, not because I need to be told "gently caress around with poo poo until you think you know what you want to do", but because now I have a name i can drop while I look down my nose at someone suggesting I tdd a problem before I even know what the gently caress I'm doing
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KoRMaK posted:oh my god I just realized that interviewing for programming jobs is its own loving field that you could spend hours doing. Like part time amount of hours learning all these loving katas and different dev processes like tdd or ddd. It's it's own specialized field. How annoying. This came rushing to me as I read this as I was giving a new friend recommendations i mean, yeah, interviewing is a separate skill from programming, which is a separate skill from software development. unless you're really really good at one of them, you usually need to be decent at all three (but you don't need to be great) so yeah you need to practice it separately. honestly study outlines, interviewing books, practice problems, and practice interviews are going to be more productive than this thread (i say this as someone who read every single post in this thread during my job search). but the great thing is you can usually do this on your employers' time because you're leaving anyway Pie Colony fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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also treating it like a separate thing means you treat the process differently if a company passed on me because i didn't know domain-driven design, that doesn't mean i think i'm a bad developer, or that the interviewing process is poo poo the process is actually working, it's telling me that company is bad, and i probably wouldn't want to work there
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ADINSX posted:someone suggesting I tdd a problem before I even know what the gently caress I'm doing I still don't understand what "tdding the problem" or "strict tdd" practically means. Does it mean not using an interactive console to do prodding and instead all experimental code changes get run through the test and thats the only way to get an answer?
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it means writing failing unit tests before writing an implementation. then you implement what you need to make the tests pass. so that's why you wouldn't want to think of an algorithm before writing tests. at least i think, i've never done TDD
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jesus WEP posted:how hard would it be for me to find work in the usa as a well paid finance computer toucher under the current regime experience isn't enough anymore. they are now dotting i's and crossing t's in the visa process. since sometime in 2017, to get or renew an h1b, you need a relevant degree you can still get hired and live in the usa using other visa classes. many large firms will hire you via a local subsidiary and move you to the states on an L-1 visa the problem is that the h-1b is the only broadly available dual intent visa class. no matter how well you do on an L-1 visa, you can never become a permanent resident on an L-1 -- it is not an immigrant visa, ever. h-1b expressly allows you to immigrate, if you jump through enough hoops, which is why it's so desirable. Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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the trump administration has made the h-1b process so bad that $WORK has expanded a satellite office in toronto just to hold all the software people who have been thrust into visa limbo after a bad renewal of an h-1b the company's immigration lawyers are doing weekly workshops on the latest stupid bullshit. and there is new poo poo every week to some extent the trump administration has cracked down on h-1b fraud, which is good. but they've also hosed with totally legitimate uses of the h-1b process, which is bad, and hurts people who are likely to be our most valuable citizens, and it just makes me crazy 
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:under the current regime experience isn't enough anymore. they are now dotting i's and crossing t's in the visa process. since sometime in 2017, to get or renew an h1b, you need a relevant degree second easiest is the EB5, which requires you to make a business by scraping together a cool mil (half mil if you're willing to make a business in a shithole) (go get the h1b, lol)
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bob dobbs is dead posted:second easiest is the EB5, which requires you to make a business by scraping together a cool mil (half mil if you're willing to make a business in a shithole) o-1 is also a thing for technology people, believe it or not
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:o-1 is also a thing for technology people, believe it or not you need national or international recognition for an o-1 "Evidence that the beneficiary has received a major, internationally-recognized award, such as a Nobel Prize" so if you've got a turing award lying around, that would help, but otherwise lol
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jesus WEP posted:i hold british and irish passports these are extremely good passports for an h-1b getting an h-1b, your passport doesn't matter pretty much at all. it is all about having enough documentation, the right degrees, and an employer willing to jump through hoops after you have the h-1b, and you live in the united states, your passport determines how long you have to wait for a green card after a successful application. the current wait for an irish person is a year or two. chinese, about ten years. indian? fifty to one hundred years. you may think it ridiculous to worry about getting permanent residency, but it's not. a very large fraction of the people who come to work in the united states "temporarily" find that they have fallen in love with their adopted country the united states is a very good place to be a computer toucher, and it is genuinely tragic when L-1 visa holders have to go "home" against their will
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bob dobbs is dead posted:you need national or international recognition for an o-1 a nobel prize will close the deal without any effort, for sure, but the hurdle isn't that high if you have your name on some solid-rear end work, and you've been routinely invited to speak at technology events in the united states, applying for an o-1 isn't totally out of the question i know more than one o-1 holder and they are not famous enough in any industry that you would know their names
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