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DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



Neddy Seagoon posted:

Centrism is the idea that everyone's opinion is valid and we should treat everyone equally. The wheels fall right off when anyone points out that that means "kill all the Jews" must be given equal time as "don't kill the Jews, you racist bigot".

And then the Centrists double-down and get defensive about Centrism.

this isn't entirely correct. it's more 'everyone's opinion is valid except socialists', since centrists have time and again gotten into bed with fascists whenever socialism starts gaining any sort of traction.

they are only interested in winning elections and protecting capitalism. if that means they have to give an ear to minorities and lbgtq people to get into office, they'll do it. or alternatively if equal rights is a controversial idea, they will pass prejudiced laws against minorities and the lbgtq community if that'll give them a better chance at being elected. whatever's popular at the time and will win them elections is all that matters, again unless what's popular at the time is socialism in which case they will team up with nazis to stop it.

DEEP STATE PLOT fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Nov 10, 2018

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Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

SgtSteel91 posted:

Y'know I've been having a lot of fun playing Destiny 2 recently

It's too bad it's probably going to get lovely with added micro-transactions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhLQsegK9AA

After playing Destiny 2 for several hours, I kept getting flashbacks to the IHE video about it and how it lined up with my opinion on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqyco2NYBOs

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

I maintain the base game free trial is gonna turn more people away than it brings in, because it’s just going to line up with what they heard about the game a year ago, when it was bad. Some of the improvements are there, sure, but for the most part, the game gets good when you start Forsaken. Until then, it’s still mostly the same Destiny 2 that people hated but with a few improvements you probably wouldn’t even be aware of if you didn’t play it then.

A Forsaken free trial would’ve been a lot more effective, I think.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

If they're smart at all they'll put the DLCs on a big sale come december or about, so they can slide up on all those people who just got the game for free and got that holidays money to burn.

Andrew Verse
Mar 30, 2011

Yardbomb posted:

If they're smart at all they'll put the DLCs on a big sale come december or about, so they can slide up on all those people who just got the game for free and got that holidays money to burn.

The two lame DLCs were consolidated into Forsaken some time ago, and at least on Battle.net Forsaken is on sale right now.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Harrow posted:

I maintain the base game free trial is gonna turn more people away than it brings in, because it’s just going to line up with what they heard about the game a year ago, when it was bad. Some of the improvements are there, sure, but for the most part, the game gets good when you start Forsaken. Until then, it’s still mostly the same Destiny 2 that people hated but with a few improvements you probably wouldn’t even be aware of if you didn’t play it then.

A Forsaken free trial would’ve been a lot more effective, I think.

yea it's real weird that in the wake of a lot of people saying 'hey ya know Forsaken actually fixed a lot that vanilla D2 hosed up' their solution was...give everyone on PSN vanilla D2 for free but charge full price for Forsaken.

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~
How about next time they make a game that is good and fun to play instead of a piece of poo poo that only gets better if you throw more money at it.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Archer666 posted:

After playing Destiny 2 for several hours, I kept getting flashbacks to the IHE video about it and how it lined up with my opinion on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqyco2NYBOs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmuECGK-_NY&t

he did a video on forsaken and the other DLC. he says its what 2 should have been but its way to late at this point.

i want to like destiny but they waste all their potential constantly. like a bunch of the faction ideas and lore are cool but they don't do poo poo with them. it reminds me of what they did with halo. tons of cool background lore but the main game story is usualy ok at best but it squanders a ton of ideas. then again my favorite halo was reach.

Edit: also holy poo poo i forgot how bad the dialogue is in the destiny games.

Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Nov 10, 2018

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.
SF Debris looks at Watership Down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jky5R29UDzo

Full review on his site.

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


Mr.Radar posted:

SF Debris looks at Watership Down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jky5R29UDzo

Full review on his site.

wow, i had no idea about the composer

rudecyrus
Nov 6, 2009

fuck you trolls
What if Neil Breen made a high fantasy film? GB or BB looks at The Unexpected Race, which might as well be a LOTR fan film.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
Man I loved Watership Down when I was a kid. I still do, but - I mean yes it's violent but I dunno. It didn't give me nightmares or upset me. I suppose it all depends on the kid.

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

HopperUK posted:

Man I loved Watership Down when I was a kid. I still do, but - I mean yes it's violent but I dunno. It didn't give me nightmares or upset me. I suppose it all depends on the kid.

I saw it as a kid at about the same age that I saw Animals of Farthing Wood and both of them were pretty goddamn intense to young kids.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Testekill posted:

I saw it as a kid at about the same age that I saw Animals of Farthing Wood and both of them were pretty goddamn intense to young kids.

Oh yeah, it was intense, but I really, really liked it. I used to rent it from the video place every week. I am extremely old.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I feel like the Cheesecake Factory is thread-adjacent as a sometimes-Algonquin Club setting for thread-regular producers, so I thought I’d share this weirdly compelling piece of micro-anthropology dedicated to understanding it:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MaxKriegerVG/status/931373170791198720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2Fe

It seems a little uncharitable, though. Are there less cynical takes? The theme-park quality reminds me of the Rainforest Cafe, which is also an eructation of the neoliberal fever dream of the late 90s, one that I don’t think made it to 2018.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
You want an interesting take on the ol'e CheFac, read this about a bunch of white people trying to carve out parts of a minority-dominated Atlanta suburb to attract more Cheesecake Factory and less Waffle House.

FoldableHuman
Mar 26, 2017

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

It seems a little uncharitable, though. Are there less cynical takes?

I don't think a less cynical take is possible. The aesthetic is so... Cheesecake Factory that you're either conscious of it or you're not, and if you are conscious of it the only answer is "what the living hell is going on here?"

Kim Justice
Jan 29, 2007

Sounds like something that would exist in Blackpool, and only in Blackpool.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

I feel like the Cheesecake Factory is thread-adjacent as a sometimes-Algonquin Club setting for thread-regular producers, so I thought I’d share this weirdly compelling piece of micro-anthropology dedicated to understanding it:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MaxKriegerVG/status/931373170791198720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2Fe

It seems a little uncharitable, though. Are there less cynical takes? The theme-park quality reminds me of the Rainforest Cafe, which is also an eructation of the neoliberal fever dream of the late 90s, one that I don’t think made it to 2018.

yeah, its really loving weird. it has has its like cheap baroque meets Disney's Agrabah mixed with the gilded age. also id love to take my girlfriend to a rainforest cafe.

SatansBestBuddy
Sep 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

Mr.Radar posted:

SF Debris looks at Watership Down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jky5R29UDzo

Full review on his site.

I remember reading the book ages ago. Never saw the movie though.

They uh... they didn't hold back, huh. :stare:

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe
Liked that Watership Down video, I've never seen the movie but there sure seems to be a lot of poo poo that happens in it for only one movie huh?

Also got a good laugh out of Chuck trying to justify reviewing it even though it's not a Sci-Fi or fantasy movie. You don't need excuses man, just call it a palate cleanser from your usual fare and you're golden.

Hemingway To Go!
Nov 10, 2008

im stupider then dog shit, i dont give a shit, and i dont give a fuck, and i will never shut the fuck up, and i'll always Respect my enemys.
- ernest hemingway
Chuck's fans have had him review multiple My Little Pony episodes, surely an actually influential animated feature which takes after the science of real rabbit colonies is far more justifiable.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



HopperUK posted:

Man I loved Watership Down when I was a kid. I still do, but - I mean yes it's violent but I dunno. It didn't give me nightmares or upset me. I suppose it all depends on the kid.
That was me as well, but watching the review dredged up a whole bunch of emotions as I kind of connected things in my head with the lessons the movie was intended to convey with the things I struggled with as a kid and how I grew up, even how I now think as an adult. (Also my rabbit died like two years ago and it turns out I was not ready to relive that)

HopperUK posted:

Oh yeah, it was intense, but I really, really liked it. I used to rent it from the video place every week. I am extremely old.
Watership Down and The Last Unicorn were basically my after-school cartoons for quite a while because they were my favourite out of what we had on VHS and we didn't live in a country where there was anything else but what we had on tape.

KayTee
May 5, 2012

Whachoodoin?

SatansBestBuddy posted:

I remember reading the book ages ago. Never saw the movie though.

They uh... they didn't hold back, huh. :stare:

They also did Plague Dogs. That one is even more intense.

Took me several weeks to get up the guts to watch it (I have a /thing/ with poorly doggies) and it is a superb adaptation and a wonderful film and I never want to see it again. :(

Kim Justice
Jan 29, 2007

The guns fall silent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa1ALtQqrVs

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

Who could've guessed

https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/1061627552396124160

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

KayTee posted:

They also did Plague Dogs. That one is even more intense.

Took me several weeks to get up the guts to watch it (I have a /thing/ with poorly doggies) and it is a superb adaptation and a wonderful film and I never want to see it again. :(

the plague dogs movie is alot more depressing for me. the book has an actual happy ending. the movie is a alot more ambiguous and more depressing.

SatansBestBuddy
Sep 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

Most interesting thought that came to mind while watching this was the fact that, because this was done post launch, game reviewers literally had no idea it was in the game and couldn't score the game accordingly, which made me think, well, has that ever bothered game reviewers before?

I can't think of a game that was critically panned for having lootboxes, most of the time those concerns come from the playerbase, and there's usually a degree of math involved where people sit down and figure out "oh, I need at least 200 hours of playtime to get the stuff they're charging $5 for" and collectively realize they're being preyed upon, which hasn't really been a concern for most game reviewers, they're primarily thinking about how the game stacks up to it's peers.

Which made me think, does that mean micro-transactions are making games less fun? And I mean, obviously, yes, but it's in very abstract ways compared to yesteryears.

It used to be, during the PS2 days, a game wouldn't be fun because it controlled poorly, or the level design was bland, or any number of things that made the game not fun to play. But nowadays most games are actually pretty fun to play, even Black Ops 4 is still fun to pick up the controller and get into a match and shoot some dudes. It feels good, it moves fast, it looks great, it's gameplay is designed to give maximum impact in minimal playtime. The game is, at the basic, pick up the controller and play level, incredibly fun.

Where it gets not fun is in it's time investment, ie the more you play the more you'll grind. At higher levels people have access to better gear, but that better gear comes with a price tag of either obscenely long playtimes or pay-to-win micro-transactions. So if you want the game to stay fun, you need to pay up.

Which means that Activision is literally holding fun hostage until you pay for the privilege of having more fun, which is a very, very different metric to be rating games with than what we're used to. I'm not even sure how game reviewers could quantify "time until not fun" as a game score, as most of them have hard deadlines to get game reviews done and won't ever have the kind of time needed to even know whether or not the micro-transactions are bullshit.

SatansBestBuddy fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Nov 11, 2018

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

SatansBestBuddy posted:

Most interesting thought that came to mind while watching this was the fact that, because this was done post launch, game reviewers literally had no idea it was in the game and couldn't score the game accordingly, which made me think, well, has that ever bothered game reviewers before?

A whole lot of people and even outlets got really pissed when Square Enix pulled/tried to pull that with Deus Ex, since it was such a blatantly deceitful thing to do.

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


Kim Justice posted:

The guns fall silent.


i'm really glad they were able to do this project. i never got much in the way of an education on wwi over here in the u.s.
covering the whole drat war in 'real time' was a crazy undertaking and it's incredible they were able to accomplish it on top of all the supplemental video work they did.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Hemingway To Go! posted:

Chuck's fans have had him review multiple My Little Pony episodes, surely an actually influential animated feature which takes after the science of real rabbit colonies is far more justifiable.

It would be super nice if the people who pony up enough to pay him to review stuff actually gave him good stuff to review.

SatansBestBuddy
Sep 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

Yardbomb posted:

A whole lot of people and even outlets got really pissed when Square Enix pulled/tried to pull that with Deus Ex, since it was such a blatantly deceitful thing to do.

Wait, wasn't that was another case of sending out review copies that didn't have the micro-transactions, so reviewers didn't see them, and then adding them in after launch?

I meant micro-transactions that were available to reviewers. Like, Star Wars Battlefront 2, that game was ranked over the coals for it's lootboxes but I don't remember many game reviews mentioning them at all or if they did, it didn't really affect the score.

Dawgstar posted:

It would be super nice if the people who pony up enough to pay him to review stuff actually gave him good stuff to review.

I did! He still hasn't reviewed it :(

stillvisions
Oct 15, 2014

I really should have come up with something better before spending five bucks on this.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

yeah, its really loving weird. it has has its like cheap baroque meets Disney's Agrabah mixed with the gilded age. also id love to take my girlfriend to a rainforest cafe.

Rainforest Cafe is like an 80's era Disney jungle ride in restaurant format. There's only a few left, and it's... an experience at the very least. The food is peak "Applebees tries to be exotic" so it's best to stick to your standard family restaurant fare and avoid their attempts at international flavors. You get a big "storm" every half hour or so, and they activate all the outdated animatronics at the same time so it's like the walls are shuddering. Eat light to save your money on the bad food, exit through the gift shop and have fun if you can find one.

rudecyrus
Nov 6, 2009

fuck you trolls

SatansBestBuddy posted:

I meant micro-transactions that were available to reviewers. Like, Star Wars Battlefront 2, that game was ranked over the coals for it's lootboxes but I don't remember many game reviews mentioning them at all or if they did, it didn't really affect the score.

Most game reviewers are garbage because they depend on access granted by the publisher, which is why every AAA game has a minimum score of 8/10, unless it wipes your hard drive.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

SatansBestBuddy posted:

I did! He still hasn't reviewed it :(

Even without knowing what it was, I'm positive Chuck's time would be better spent with it than Full Moon.

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.

Oh my god that was really really great, somehow following this for so many years caused this to really hit home for me, this is one of the best historical media projects ever undertaken and it was just a bunch of guys making youtube videos.

I don't know if everyone is aware, but Indy Neidell and some of the other Great War team have already started another channel looking at the Second World War in real time too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-A1gVm9T0A

Its a bit bare bones so far but I think it will pick up quickly as they can shift away from the Great War and put their resources into this, they also have a third series looking at events between the two wars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgWhbrqhWaY

Also, I've noticed that History Buffs is in the OP, I don't want to judge anybody too much but I just wanted to mention that that particular channel is a little bit iffy in terms of rigor and accuracy. There are also some other channels to recommend like Kings and Generals (though they've made some trip ups too).

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
History Buffs tends to be hit and miss depending on the film, but the main tact is that he prefers authenticity to accuracy and admits that films need to entertain before they teach. A file that can do both reigns supreme but concessions need to be made.

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



Even though I have a healthy interest in history and paid attention in class that channel has thought me so much about one of most meaningless and all round horrible events in history.

Zedd fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Nov 11, 2018

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006


Oh my god. This is the clearest view into the dark heart of white suburbia that has ever been afforded. People who keep demanding that the rest of the country reach out to the ever-diminishing relict populations of coal miners interviewed for the nyt Cletus safaris really need to read more material like this.

Imagine seeing Cheesecake Factory as the greatest height to which your culture can rise. They’re not wrong, but imagine being proud instead of ashamed.

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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
I mean the greatest example of white Suburbia was when those two people from the daily show fougjt hard against busing poorer minorities into their school district.

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