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what is the actual use case for SharePoint, because I'm like 90% certain what we're doing isn't it
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AggressivelyStupid posted:what is the actual use case for SharePoint, because I'm like 90% certain what we're doing isn't it document storage and management of thereof
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Nov 14, 2018 20:29
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e.g. y2k dropbox for "copy of final proposal draft (2).doc"
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Nov 14, 2018 20:31
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I guess we're kinda close then
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Nov 14, 2018 20:31
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cinci zoo sniper posted:document storage and management of thereof incorrect, sharepoint is "we need a document storage platform but don't want to spend the time and effort to set one up and manage a proper taxonomy so we'll just pile poo poo into 18 billion sharepoint sites"
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Nov 14, 2018 20:55
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AggressivelyStupid posted:what is the actual use case for SharePoint, because I'm like 90% certain what we're doing isn't it It's for when you're looking for something specific but would rather find every powerpoint slide that mentioned the topic created by anyone at your company over the last decade.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:56
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:incorrect, sharepoint is "we need a document storage platform but don't want to spend the time and effort to set one up and manage a proper taxonomy so we'll just pile poo poo into 18 billion sharepoint sites" if someone asked me what SharePoint is, I'd probably respond with "Microsoft Geocities except not free"
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Nov 14, 2018 21:42
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AggressivelyStupid posted:what is the actual use case for SharePoint, because I'm like 90% certain what we're doing isn't it it's when a company wants to create a little internal website for the company intranet, but wants to spend as little effort on it as possible and doesn't care if it's actually useful or even usable
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Nov 14, 2018 22:04
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its a way to save documents for people too stupid to use explorer mapped drives
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Nov 14, 2018 22:05
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ShartPoint
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Nov 14, 2018 22:35
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have any of you folks used apache isis? e: or i guess naked objects in .net is a similar idea DELETE CASCADE fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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Nov 14, 2018 22:48
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DELETE CASCADE posted:have any of you folks used apache isis? is that where they reclaim their ancestral lands by force?
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Nov 14, 2018 23:01
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:i was talking to a former colleague the other week who said "yeah we were working on a deployment on aws for months then management [of a multinational multi billion dollar org] announced that in future they would only consider using google cloud so we lost the contract ", i just said 'lmao good luck to them with that when Google abandons all support after 18 months" honestly if you stick to the core infrastructure on google cloud (compute/storage/etc, not the fancy machine-learning-bullshit APIs) it'll probably be well-supported for a good long time as it's entirely reasonable for google to invest in amazon not eating the entire internet, and google is pretty okay at running infrastructure anything that is not obviously critical to google's continued survival is p sketch tho edit: examples of google things it is okay to rely on not being deprecated as soon as someone gets bored: web search, advertising examples of google things you should not rely on: literally anything targeted at consumers, anything involving hardware Arcsech fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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Nov 14, 2018 23:12
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DELETE CASCADE posted:have any of you folks used apache isis? missed their chance to call the .NET clone ISIL
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Nov 15, 2018 00:43
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Main Paineframe posted:it's when a company wants to create a little internal website for the company intranet, but wants to spend as little effort on it as possible and doesn't care if it's actually useful or even usable hm we use confluence for this. it's like perl where it's write only and no one reads it
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Nov 15, 2018 08:49
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Arcsech posted:honestly if you stick to the core infrastructure on google cloud (compute/storage/etc, not the fancy machine-learning-bullshit APIs) it'll probably be well-supported for a good long time as it's entirely reasonable for google to invest in amazon not eating the entire internet, and google is pretty okay at running infrastructure one nice thing about aws is they never turn stuff off. simpledb is still there for example. Im fuckin tired of companies deciding that maintaining their poo poo isnt strategic so you get to migrate or else
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Nov 15, 2018 09:22
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my stepdads beer posted:hm we use confluence for this. it's like perl where it's write only and no one reads it too real
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Nov 15, 2018 09:26
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:one nice thing about aws is they never turn stuff off. simpledb is still there for example. Im fuckin tired of companies deciding that maintaining their poo poo isnt strategic so you get to migrate or else one terrible thing about azure is that if you dont like c# youre often stuck doing poo poo the hard way I say as a person whos had to deploy python products in azure. also the documentation is all over the place but I dont know if any place has actual good documentation
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Nov 15, 2018 09:47
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Boiled Water posted:one terrible thing about azure is that if you dont like c# youre often stuck doing poo poo the hard way aws docs seemed ok but that was much earlier and i was doing much simpler things (also was way more clueless than now if that sounds believable to you) now gcp intuitively appears to be trashfire, so im genuinely curious how off about their docs specifically i am, that is one cloud ive had not even a tangential relationship with
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Nov 15, 2018 10:14
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my stepdads beer posted:hm we use confluence for this. it's like perl where it's write only and no one reads it i swear I am the only person that reads or writes anything into our confluence site.
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Nov 15, 2018 11:35
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:i swear I am the only person that reads or writes anything into our confluence site. yeah, probably. everyone else thought it was a waste of time
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Nov 15, 2018 12:07
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same here, we have 5 writers and maybe 20 readers in confluence ostensibly for 4 digits of people
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Nov 15, 2018 12:40
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cinci zoo sniper posted:aws docs seemed ok but that was much earlier and i was doing much simpler things (also was way more clueless than now if that sounds believable to you) I wrote some bad docs for the gcp product I work on but my team has a tech writer now, so they should be getting better. I like the parts of gcp I've used on my gently caress around / learn stuff projects. right now it uses gcp dns, load balancer, cdn, and cloud storage. GCLB recently added 'automatically managed https certificates' which is nice because now I don't have to run a bunch of letsencrypt commands every couple months. I'm confident https://www.goatse.gop could efficiently handle millions of users if it ever needed to (it won't). Cloud shell is also really convenient, and I've enjoyed loving with cloud build and kubernetes engine.
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Nov 15, 2018 12:59
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gcp has the best cost exploration out of all of the providers, with a simple way to split projects up and look at them individually. their kubernetes offering is also the best by far.
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Nov 15, 2018 17:07
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the aws cost explorer is pretty good once you setup all your tagging. its pretty useless otherwise
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Nov 15, 2018 17:13
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Boiled Water posted:one terrible thing about azure is that if you dont like c# youre often stuck doing poo poo the hard way c# rules python drools
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Finster Dexter posted:c# rules python drools not when your boss has mandated python for all future projects and azure because and I quote active directory is neat  
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Boiled Water posted:not when your boss has mandated python for all future projects and azure because and I quote active directory is neat Python 3.6+ is fine. 
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Boiled Water posted:not when your boss has mandated python for all future projects and azure because and I quote active directory is neat AD and azure AD are both very nice. python is very bad. use c# and just tell him you're using python
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ratbert90 posted:Python 3.6+ is fine. its ok if youre rigorous with type annotations and dont try to do clever things spent the day ripping out some pointless metaclass bs someone was far too proud of that ultimately did nothing whatsoever. like we literally had a config file that contained all the necessary information to get exactly the same result with fewer classes and no magic
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Nov 15, 2018 19:20
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Soricidus posted:its ok if youre rigorous with type annotations and dont try to do clever things everyone seems to get a bit crazy when they first learn about some metaclass bs
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i learned about metaclasses in college and was like dur i dunno then i learned about them again a few years ago and was like nope this is magical bs for making things break in terrible ways
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Nov 16, 2018 09:04
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you havent lived til youve generated new classes and swizzled framework methods at runtime
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Nov 16, 2018 09:53
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what if classes were a mistake?
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Nov 16, 2018 10:00
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turns out, they werent
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because I never formally learned to be a terrible programmer (I just do whatever because we don't have enough 'real' developers to do the work we have) I had never heard of metaclasses but it seems like you should just use inheritance, an interface, or a public method instead of passing some funky magic other class around to add methods that guarantees your refactoring is going to be more complicated than it has to be like, it seems too clever for its own good.
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Nov 16, 2018 10:49
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:because I never formally learned to be a terrible programmer (I just do whatever because we don't have enough 'real' developers to do the work we have) I had never heard of metaclasses but it seems like you should just use inheritance, an interface, or a public method instead of passing some funky magic other class around to add methods that guarantees your refactoring is going to be more complicated than it has to be What if you don't know when you write the code what methods you want?? Common metaprogramming uses are things like defining data classes from some parsed schema file If you're lucky this happens at build time and then you can then use that generated class as if it were any other in your code. If you're unlucky this happens at runtime and then you're in full reflection territory basically forced to have code that looks at the string method names etc it's so bad
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Nov 16, 2018 11:20
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in Foundation, automatic notification of key-value observers for a property involves generating a subclass on the fly that then overrides the propertys setter(s) to send the will/did notifications around invocations of the original, and swizzle the objects class identity (its isa pointer) to the subclass
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Nov 16, 2018 11:28
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LOL you say that like its some horrible inefficiency to traverse a few runtime data structures
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eschaton posted:LOL you say that like its some horrible inefficiency to traverse a few runtime data structures depending on your platform it absolutely can be, especially if its a common pattern
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