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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It seems kind of ominous that our culture has linked profundity with spectacle-driven mass-culture children’s entertainment. I know original Star Wars pulled its visual vocabulary and characters (to some degree) out of historical reality, it seems to be aiming for a certain mood or visual shorthand that assists in telling the story rather that trying to argue that American involvement in the Vietnam War was wrong and imperialism is bad or whatever. How? I think it's weird to say that "big" movies can't and shouldn't try to be profound.
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The idea that someone dislikes something so they must care to much is hilariously dumb but an incredibly goon thing to think.
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Nov 18, 2018 03:24
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I mean, Israel's had quite a few profound movies that weren't spectacles and were very commercially successful as well as critically acclaimed. It's not like it's impossible.
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Nov 18, 2018 03:25
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CharlestheHammer posted:The idea that someone dislikes something so they must care to much is hilariously dumb but an incredibly goon thing to think. It's not about that, it's about the continual tenacity with which that opinion is expressed. It's really, really hard to talk about TLJ almost anywhere without the loving wolves descending.
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Nov 18, 2018 03:25
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Max Wilco posted:Some days, I just wish George Lucas had just made American Graffiti 2*, and some other films, and then faded into obscurity, just so the world could be free of the annoying assholes who gripe about trying to determine whether the prequels/sequels were good or bad, and the other annoying assholes who gripe about the behavior of the first group of annoying assholes while also simultaneously trying to determine if the prequels/sequels are good/bad. Supposedly he tells people that he secretly directed some thrillers and action movies for his friends in the 80s. It’s probably just trolling, but it’s fun to think about sometimes, because he hasn’t really done enough as director that would allow anyone to peg his style, aside from “likes pastiche” or something.
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Nov 18, 2018 03:26
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Arist posted:It's not about that, it's about the continual tenacity with which that opinion is expressed. It's really, really hard to talk about TLJ almost anywhere without the loving wolves descending. Is Penny Arcade seriously still pushing that? drat, learn to cut your losses, dudes.
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Nov 18, 2018 03:27
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RareAcumen posted:Is Penny Arcade seriously still pushing that? drat, learn to cut your losses, dudes. Wait, what? e: oh, that. Not what I was referring to by any means
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Arist posted:It's not about that, it's about the continual tenacity with which that opinion is expressed. It's really, really hard to talk about TLJ almost anywhere without the loving wolves descending. I mean people are gonna give their opinions. Being negative isn’t inherently inferior. I mean your defending it so you obviously do care and you know what? It’s fine to care. I know the goon thing is to pretend to care about nothing even slightly but it’s okay to care a bit.
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Arist posted:How? I think it's weird to say that "big" movies can't and shouldn't try to be profound. Traditionally cultures have developed other domains for serious ideas, usually more than one. It’s not that all-ages entertainment can’t be thoughtful, but if those movies become the place where people engage serious ideas, it might mean the culture is in bad shape. Like, if I see another Harry Potter sign at a counterdemonstration against nazis, I’ll loving scream.
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Nov 18, 2018 03:32
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Arist posted:It's not about that, it's about the continual tenacity with which that opinion is expressed. It's really, really hard to talk about TLJ almost anywhere without the loving wolves descending. Maybe you're identifying every opinion about Star Wars that you don't want to hear as the wolves descending. Arist posted:I'm not going to have an argument about the merits of TLJ here, because no one cares and neither do I (I love the movie and its detractors genuinely seem to care about it far more than I am ever capable of), I just want to point out that your comment is exactly the kind of thing I was referring to when I talked about it being impossible to loving talk about this movie on the internet. Like, someone posts that they like it and you immediately jump to making them defend it against anything you can come up with.
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Nov 18, 2018 03:33
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Traditionally cultures have developed other domains for serious ideas, usually more than one. It’s not that all-ages entertainment can’t be thoughtful, but if those movies become the place where people engage serious ideas, it might mean the culture is in bad shape. Like, if I see another Harry Potter sign at a counterdemonstration against nazis, I’ll loving scream. Yeah, it's really a depressingly hollow cultural touchstone, isn't it? Like pumice.
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Hemingway To Go! posted:Maybe you're identifying every opinion about Star Wars that you don't want to hear as the wolves descending. Dude, come on. You have no idea what kinds of discussions I've been having. Why do you even care?
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Nov 18, 2018 03:35
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Though I will say the idea that mass entertainment or kids entertainment can’t be resonating or something that engages you is kind of lovely. If the messages in the Last Jedi work for Arist then that’s perfectly fine. To believe that a certain arbitrary mark has to be met before something can qualify is weirdly elitist and doesn’t really accomplish much.
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Nov 18, 2018 03:43
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Yeah, it's really a depressingly hollow cultural touchstone, isn't it? Like pumice. It’s like that Star Trek with the planet where they only speak in references to their national literature, only it’s exclusively references to the star trek movie franchise.
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Nov 18, 2018 03:52
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It’s like that Star Trek with the planet where they only speak in references to their national literature, only it’s exclusively references to the star trek movie franchise. Woah. Meta.
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Nov 18, 2018 03:53
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It’s like that Star Trek with the planet where they only speak in references to their national literature, only it’s exclusively references to the star trek movie franchise. Critic Thread, when Star Wars talk began. Junpei, her  swung.
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Nov 18, 2018 03:56
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That thing where that goon had a really long face, in the FYAD.
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Nov 18, 2018 03:58
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When that one goon made that barnacle Jim dildo(??) from the 3D printer was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen. Just seeing it formed was amazing.
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Nov 18, 2018 04:04
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And now, for something completely different: A Youtube personality at a flat earth conference: https://twitter.com/mekosoff/status/1063991736467378179
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Nov 18, 2018 04:07
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Arist posted:It's not about that, it's about the continual tenacity with which that opinion is expressed. It's really, really hard to talk about TLJ almost anywhere without the loving wolves descending. Oh word? Wouldn't know what that is like at all. Antifa Turkeesian posted:It seems kind of ominous that our culture has linked profundity with spectacle-driven mass-culture children’s entertainment. I know original Star Wars pulled its visual vocabulary and characters (to some degree) out of historical reality, it seems to be aiming for a certain mood or visual shorthand that assists in telling the story rather that trying to argue that American involvement in the Vietnam War was wrong and imperialism is bad or whatever. I mean, it can do both. As an aside, something that bothered me about the NT is that from what I noticed it seems to almost exclusively reference or borrow its visual language from other star wars stuff. The OT would happily borrow from real world history, pulp sci fi and Kurosawa just as readily as from Errol Flynn and Laurence of Arabia, but the new trilogy would instead look almost exclusively within the star wars universe for its inspiration, which I feel is lame. Edit:Beaten while typing, but you said it better. Shaka, when the walls fell McCloud fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Nov 18, 2018 |
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Nov 18, 2018 04:10
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Absurd Alhazred posted:And now, for something completely different: A Youtube personality at a flat earth conference: How did a man this stupid become a multimillionaire?
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Nov 18, 2018 04:12
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quote:George Lucas: I was thinking that this old guy could have been his mentor. He could have known this little girl when she was just a kid. Had an affair with her when she was eleven.
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Nov 18, 2018 04:12
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nine-gear crow posted:How did a man this stupid become a multimillionaire? "Holy poo poo, look at what a man this stupid is doing on video".
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Nov 18, 2018 04:25
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All right, that was a good star wars chat. You arenow all legally obligated to instead discuss *spins franchise wheel* The DC movies. Have fun
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Nov 18, 2018 04:28
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Burn After Reading is my favorite entry in the DC Cinematic Universe
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Nov 18, 2018 04:33
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I like my movies AC, thanks.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I like my movies AC, thanks. The colours are warmer that way.
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Nov 18, 2018 04:35
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You mean to tell me that the DC Cinematic Universe isn't just all the movies set in Washington, DC?
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Nov 18, 2018 04:35
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nine-gear crow posted:You mean to tell me that the DC Cinematic Universe isn't just all the movies set in Washington, DC? They couldn't possibly make Wag the Dog and Air Force One work in the same universe without some serious reboots and retcons.
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nine-gear crow posted:How did a man this stupid become a multimillionaire? Once you hit the runner's high in lacking self-awareness, it is very easy to fail upwards.
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Nov 18, 2018 04:40
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nine-gear crow posted:You mean to tell me that the DC Cinematic Universe isn't just all the movies set in Washington, DC? Sorkin plz go
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Nov 18, 2018 04:42
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I like my movies AC, thanks. the Assassin's Creed movie sucked, tho
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Nov 18, 2018 04:50
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Junpei Hyde posted:the Assassin's Creed movie sucked, tho I was referring to Alternate Continuity, thank you very much.
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Nov 18, 2018 04:51
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I'm glad George Lucas didn't make Big Fish.
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McCloud posted:As an aside, something that bothered me about the NT is that from what I noticed it seems to almost exclusively reference or borrow its visual language from other star wars stuff. The OT would happily borrow from real world history, pulp sci fi and Kurosawa just as readily as from Errol Flynn and Laurence of Arabia, but the new trilogy would instead look almost exclusively within the star wars universe for its inspiration, which I feel is lame. no it doesn't https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfjT9JAmVYY new Disney Star Wars, or Disney Trilogy (DT for short), are constantly adding new and updated visual language to the series, like, the cinematography is incredibly complex and interesting and fresh in TLJ now, the aesthetics of the DT films are very definitely cribbing hard from the OT films, which is probably the one thing the PT did right was expand how the Star Wars universe looks while still keeping it coherent within the series, while the DT doesn't want to do more than maybe remix things a bit, and it's few attempts at expansion like the casino planet come off as... undercooked? or maybe I'm just biased and it's fine Junpei Hyde posted:All right, that was a good star wars chat. You arenow all legally obligated to instead discuss *spins franchise wheel* the uniform aesthetics of the DC films suuuuuucks and is also boring as sin
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Nov 18, 2018 05:11
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Junpei Hyde posted:the Assassin's Creed movie sucked, tho How bad was it? i am tempted give it a watch but i can't get it on any streaming service for free. i have heard they play everything super straight with no levity at all.
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Nov 18, 2018 05:25
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It’s like Prince of Persia level of bad, minus white guy playing a... Persian. It’s not terrible or anything but just bland, completely unimaginative, and by the numbers.
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Nov 18, 2018 05:28
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Kibayasu posted:It’s like Prince of Persia level of bad, minus white guy playing a... Persian. It’s not terrible or anything but just bland, completely unimaginative, and by the numbers. sucks. you could totally do a decent assassins creed movie.
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Nov 18, 2018 05:30
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Dapper_Swindler posted:sucks. you could totally do a decent assassins creed movie. This would require studios giving a single poo poo.
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We still have not reclaimed the glory of Mortal Kombat and Street Fighters the Movie, the two obvious winners for best live action video game movie. Though all of the animated Tekken movies are a very good sort of stupid.
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