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Crono S. Magnum posted:Okay, but memes aside how does it actually look? Steel Charge is a valid choice until you start regularly fighting level 100+ enemies in group content. If you're not doing that on the reg, don't sweat it. If you are doing that, or if you regularly do group content with goons who will have an absolute shitfit if you don't have corpro, reforma your aura to a dash and de-level one of your umbral mods (probably fiber) so you don't need the 4 points you're gonna lose.
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Soothing Vapors posted:Steel Charge is a valid choice until you start regularly fighting level 100+ enemies in group content. Seek psychiatric help. Self harm is not okay.
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turn off the TV posted:Seek psychiatric help. Self harm is not okay. Dr. Tallgeese here. I'm sorry to say that reversing a lobotomy is medically impossible at this time.
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Soothing Vapors posted:Steel Charge is a valid choice until you start regularly fighting level 100+ enemies in group content. Or, you know, anything with armor.
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Nov 18, 2018 21:46
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Soothing Vapors posted:Steel Charge is a valid choice until you start regularly fighting level 100+ enemies in group content. If you're not doing that on the reg, don't sweat it. Please don't do this  Use whatever you want in solo mode, but please be a good Tenno and contribute to the team by bringing Corpro to any and all team content above L35. Armor is the strongest damage mitigation enemies in the game have access to.
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if you put corrosive projection in that slot you might lose an umbral mod but you'll gain a significant amount of damage because it won't be reduced by armor as much.NecroMonster posted:They should make a ten drain aura that gives enemies more armor. Yes. This is a good idea.
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If your build requires other people to bring CorPro your build isn’t very good.
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So I'm a bit of a crazy person and last year I decided that I wanted to organize my loadouts so that I always had easy access to a build for whatever I was doing. At that time I had 19 slots, so I listed out all the types of content in the game and assigned slots to everything. Now I'm coming back for my annual Warframe binge and there's been a lot of new stuff added (ESO, Arbitrations, Fortuna, etc), as well as a BUNCH more loadout slots (I have 26 atm, could buy 8 more if I needed). I've made a list of all the types of content that I can think of, but I thought I'd post it here and see if you fine folks could think of anything I missed:
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Nov 18, 2018 21:51
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Captain Oblivious posted:If your build requires other people to bring CorPro your build isn’t very good. Almost all of my builds are designed around people not bringing corpro and they're still better when other people do.
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Nov 18, 2018 21:51
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Captain Oblivious posted:If your build requires other people to bring CorPro your build isn’t very good. Your name is profoundly appropriate given your post.
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Crono S. Magnum posted:Okay, but memes aside how does it actually look? i can guarantee you that the extra 60% melee damage and however much you're getting from this build is several orders of magnitude smaller than the literal millions of damage having corpro will do anything you actually would ever need a "build" for you would also need corpro
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I know jumping in front of the goon corpro train is an exercise in futility, but if his build is intended to optimally solo certain content with a melee Valkyr, Steel Charge is better than Corrosive Projection. Both by itself and in that it allows for enough space for a full Umbral build. If he is trying to make a build for generic stuff or group content, of course he should have the dash aura*, but for solo Steel Charge is potentially better for his build. *technically for organized group play, using Power Donation against non-armor enemies or with a large AoE armor clear like Frost or Oberon is more optimal but that's getting pretty niche
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Yes, it's a train, everyone is just blindly repeating a wrong idea and it's not actually completely true. It's a game, play however you want, but why ask for advice on a build and then disagree when people say how to make it more effective?
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Captain Oblivious posted:If your build requires other people to bring CorPro your build isn’t very good. this only works for Eidolons and you have to hammer out who isn't bringing CorPro before setting foot on the Plains
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Mimesweeper posted:Yes, it's a train, everyone is just blindly repeating a wrong idea and it's not actually completely true. Reread what I said. It depends on what the build is trying to do. The fact is that if his build is specifically trying to solo certain high level endless content with a melee Valkyr build, Steel Charge is better than Corrosive Projection. That's not up for discussion. It's a fact based on the mechanics and numerical values of the game. Of course CorPro is better for a generalist build! No one is arguing with that, unless one mildly snarky reply from the original questioner counts as an argument. The problem with all this is that he hasn't actually elucidated on what his build is intended for. I'm assuming that he wants to do high end solo content, because that is what the build he posted would be best for. However I don't actually know that. That is why I qualified everything with "if the build is for x/y". It all depends. Until Crono S. Magnum speaks up again and actually tells us what he wants to accomplish it's all pissing in the wind. I just wanted to point out that CorPro isn't actually the be-all/end-all Aura in absolute terms. It just is in practical terms, for most players.
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AttackBacon posted:Reread what I said. ok, i read your post again, but it still says the same stuff it did the first time. i feel cheated. edit: Soothing Vapors posted:some of the best players who play this game don't use corpro 24/7, believe it or not i'm one of the best players who play this game? holy poo poo! badass! Mimesweeper fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Nov 18, 2018 |
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The weekly corpro chat is my favorite part of this threadMimesweeper posted:Yes, it's a train, everyone is just blindly repeating a wrong idea some of the best players who play this game don't use corpro 24/7, believe it or not Soothing Vapors fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Nov 18, 2018 |
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AttackBacon posted:[loadout slots] That's a pretty granular list and looks like you've got just about all the bases covered. The only things I didn't see immediately was something for excavation, but I reckon your 'defense' builds probably cover that. Also Kuva Survival is rad, but you could do whatever in there, I love Nekros for the extra life support. In regards to the credit farming loadout, I'd pick either Mesa for index killing, or Rhino for point carrying. I dont run enough Arbys to speak on how the meta has evolved there, sorry.
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AttackBacon posted:Reread what I said. It depends on what the build is trying to do. The fact is that if his build is specifically trying to solo certain high level endless content with a melee Valkyr build, Steel Charge is better than Corrosive Projection. That's not up for discussion. It's a fact based on the mechanics and numerical values of the game. Or he could spend 100p on a set of 2 max rank Arcane Fury. And still bring corpro. And do just fine in solo and group content.
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Wow, you guys are coming across as exactly what people praise Warframe's community for not being.
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Avynte posted:That's a pretty granular list and looks like you've got just about all the bases covered. The only things I didn't see immediately was something for excavation, but I reckon your 'defense' builds probably cover that. Also Kuva Survival is rad, but you could do whatever in there, I love Nekros for the extra life support. Yeah, defense is stuff like Frost/Nyx/Gara that can do unique defensive things or large scale lockdown. So that covers Excavation and normal group Interceptions. Do people not do the Fatal Teleport Ash thing in Index anymore? Did it get nerfed? Thanks for the response though! Once I start implementing all of these it's annoying to have to go back and fix it. They have to be in proper order! FileNotFound posted:Or he could spend 100p on a set of 2 max rank Arcane Fury. My point is that different builds are for different things and CorPro isn't universally best at all things, it just the best "set-it-and-forget-it" aura because of how strong it is in general group play. Why is that so difficult to accept? That is literally a fact. CorPro is only numerically the best aura if you are fully stripping armor off of heavily armored units (heavier Grineer/Corrupted units and very little else, light armor actually becomes a damage bonus depending on your damage type, hence 3x CorPro on Eidolons for the Rad bonus) which you obviously cannot do if you are soloing. So if it's a solo build (and shock, people do make those!), it's not the best aura. You probably know this and yet insist on arguing the point for some reason. Why? It's not going to magically make people bring CorPro in your groups if they weren't going to already. Anyways, if you want to get into the minutiae of optimizing for endless arbitration survival as a melee Valkyr or whatever, you probably want Arcane Guardian x2 (maybe Grace but you probably just pop into Hysteria for a quick instant heal), but that's a pretty deep rabbit hole that is largely tangential to my point. You largely take Steel Charge for the extra points allowing you to cap the Umbral mods, not necessarily for the damage bonus (melee damage scales just fine on it's own). I'm done with this tangent for now though, there's nothing more to be added until he actually speaks up and says what he wants the build to do. Kokoro Wish posted:Wow, you guys are coming across as exactly what people praise Warframe's community for not being. Goons aren't any more immune to groupthink and weird ingroup/outgroup poo poo than anyone else, sadly. AttackBacon fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Nov 18, 2018 |
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I mean the game dropped 2 aura mods for me and i was pretty happy because they gave me more capacity but then i read the wiki comments and apparently i've brought great shame on me and my family and the family dog and all my teammates secretly hated me and were making rude jokes about me behind my back (it was the +max hp and the "make infected walk slower" one). So i'm not particularly shocked that passions can run a bit high at times. I haven't actually had a bad experience with teammates in game yet, but i'm also not anywhere near the regions where people are assuming anyone knows what the hell they're doing (or where that matters). Still, 30 hours of playing with randoms without any random racial slurs or homophobia is pretty unique.
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Look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Goons use Corpro, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Vor, know the true power of the Aura slot. I was cut in half, destroyed, but through its Steel Charge mod capacity, the Aura slot called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn. We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an impostor who knows not the secrets of the Aura slot. Behold the Goons, come to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm. My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of Steel Charge. Forever bound to the Aura slot. Let it be known, if the Goons want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my Steel Charge. It is time. I will teach these trespassers the redemptive power of my Steel Charge. They will learn its simple truth. The Goons are lost, and they will resist. But I, Vor, will cleanse this place of their impurity. You've become a cargo cult, it's 2018 there's a million different ways to bypass armor now. Corpro does not matter 99% of the time. It is nice to have but usually not important.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Goons use Corpro, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Vor, know the true power of the Aura slot. I was cut in half, destroyed, but through its Steel Charge mod capacity, the Aura slot called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn. We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an impostor who knows not the secrets of the Aura slot. Behold the Goons, come to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm. My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of Steel Charge. Forever bound to the Aura slot. Let it be known, if the Goons want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my Steel Charge. It is time. I will teach these trespassers the redemptive power of my Steel Charge. They will learn its simple truth. The Goons are lost, and they will resist. But I, Vor, will cleanse this place of their impurity.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Goons use Corpro, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Vor, know the true power of the Aura slot. I was cut in half, destroyed, but through its Steel Charge mod capacity, the Aura slot called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn. We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an impostor who knows not the secrets of the Aura slot. Behold the Goons, come to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm. My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of Steel Charge. Forever bound to the Aura slot. Let it be known, if the Goons want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my Steel Charge. It is time. I will teach these trespassers the redemptive power of my Steel Charge. They will learn its simple truth. The Goons are lost, and they will resist. But I, Vor, will cleanse this place of their impurity. 
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I'm somewhat new at this game and don't fully understand it. I've been working my way through the planets and starting to feel real underpowered (just beat Uranus boss). I'm playing my rhino (excalibur only other warframe I have) with a hek shotgun. Rhino has like def/shields/health/+rifle damage and my gun is like damage/reloadtime/crit. I'm mastery 5 or 6 now. I think 5. Seems like poo poo is taking way longer to kill now. Especially compared to some other players. But since power is tied to mods, there doesn't seem like easy avenues to increase my damage since the obvious ones are already maxed or close. But this game is very confusing so I'm sure I'm missing something. What should I be working towards to do more damage?
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Captain Oblivious posted:Look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Goons use Corpro, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Vor, know the true power of the Aura slot. I was cut in half, destroyed, but through its Steel Charge mod capacity, the Aura slot called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn. We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an impostor who knows not the secrets of the Aura slot. Behold the Goons, come to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm. My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of Steel Charge. Forever bound to the Aura slot. Let it be known, if the Goons want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my Steel Charge. It is time. I will teach these trespassers the redemptive power of my Steel Charge. They will learn its simple truth. The Goons are lost, and they will resist. But I, Vor, will cleanse this place of their impurity.
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AttackBacon posted:My point is that different builds are for different things and CorPro isn't universally best at all things, it just the best "set-it-and-forget-it" aura because of how strong it is in general group play. Why is that so difficult to accept? That is literally a fact. Nobody is arguing with you that Corpro is better for solo. Nobody. Steel Charge outperforms corpro solo in every case. No argument. The reason goons are throwing a fit is that it's basically a difference of a 60% dmg boost vs 40% damage boost solo. The trade off being that you just made a frame sub-optimal for groups to get that extra 20% damage when solo. It's a poo poo trade to me - but hey if you are trying to min max for solo - it's the right call.
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ultrachrist posted:I'm somewhat new at this game and don't fully understand it. I've been working my way through the planets and starting to feel real underpowered (just beat Uranus boss). I'm playing my rhino (excalibur only other warframe I have) with a hek shotgun. Rhino has like def/shields/health/+rifle damage and my gun is like damage/reloadtime/crit. I'm mastery 5 or 6 now. I think 5. You can look at the damage bonuses against whatever types of enemies you're planning to kill and switch out elemental damage to take advantage of their weaknesses, but if you don't have a full mod collection that's not going to be possible. Are you in the clan yet? If you're missing mods let us throw them at you until you can murder everything forever.
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Soothing Vapors posted:some of the best players who play this game don't use corpro 24/7, believe it or not You won't believe my K/D Ratio in Warframe. I'm one of the bestest players around. I 360 noscope everyone in warframe tournaments.
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ultrachrist posted:I'm somewhat new at this game and don't fully understand it. I've been working my way through the planets and starting to feel real underpowered (just beat Uranus boss). I'm playing my rhino (excalibur only other warframe I have) with a hek shotgun. Rhino has like def/shields/health/+rifle damage and my gun is like damage/reloadtime/crit. I'm mastery 5 or 6 now. I think 5. Post your current hek build - use this site: http://warframe-builder.com/Primary_Weapons/Builder/Hek Then we will tell you why your build is bad (can't fit corpro in shotgun) and give you the mods to make it good.
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sockpuppetclock posted:Aura chat If you don't bring Sprint Boost to capture/sabotage/spy you're unironically dead to me now this is the kind of new wave thinking I can get behind Jack Trades posted:You won't believe my K/D Ratio in Warframe. I'm one of the bestest players around. cool
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I'm finally convinced. From now on, every frame I use will have Physique.
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corpro is mathematically objectively non-figuratively literally better than anything else you could bring, if you dont want to follow this groupthink meta you might as well stop shooting your guns because dealing damage is what everyone does and you're trying to play the game in your own way which is ok just please dont matchmake with me thanks thanks than kyou
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