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I don't think if Chapo were super anti-identity politics the way they are claimed to be that they'd not only have Natalie on their show but be so in-sync for the 20 minutes I've listened so far.
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hey let's head off this incoming dumb derail by talking about the new one hit wonderland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0FOT65O1Jg like todd i have absolutely no recollection of this song whatsoever despite the band itself being very familiar, in fact i don't think i ever heard a single song from them but knew of them somehow.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I think that actually. I'm pretty sure that spot has already been amply claimed by Jacobin.
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Nov 19, 2018 05:22
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Hemingway To Go! posted:I don't think if Chapo were super anti-identity politics the way they are claimed to be that they'd not only have Natalie on their show but be so in-sync for the 20 minutes I've listened so far. them basically saying 'we can't just tell people 'vote for the first woman president' as if that's inherently a good act. By that logic Thatcher was an icon to be respected too then', and taking the extremely not controversial in leftist conversations stance that class politics flow into racial/gender/sexuality politics so maaaaaybe if we had a system that wasn't inherently evil we may see some improvement all around, has been turned to Flex doing the American History X curb stomp scene while Amber and Virgil cheer him on and Matt shouts "THEY'RE THE GOOD ONES".
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sexpig by night posted:them basically saying 'we can't just tell people 'vote for the first woman president' as if that's inherently a good act. By that logic Thatcher was an icon to be respected too then', and taking the extremely not controversial in leftist conversations stance that class politics flow into racial/gender/sexuality politics so maaaaaybe if we had a system that wasn't inherently evil we may see some improvement all around, has been turned to Flex doing the American History X curb stomp scene while Amber and Virgil cheer him on and Matt shouts "THEY'RE THE GOOD ONES". Interesting Freudian slip
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Nov 19, 2018 05:40
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Woah, I didn't even know that S Club 7 had a hit in America. Of course, they had a lot more than one hit over here - I wanna say they had four #1's (Never Dream being one of them, although definitely not their biggest - that would be Don't Stop Movin'). Rachel had a really good solo career, Hannah and Tina have done a lot of acting, and Jo went on to be highly racist on a UK reality TV show. I can't remember the name of the boys even after looking on Wiki.
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Nov 19, 2018 06:11
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Puppy Time posted:Also way too much screen time spent on vampires squabbling pointlessly, and pretty much ZERO time spent on the climax's emotional core. it wasn't even that politically complex. it's literally just Carmilla planning a coup, Godbrand signs on, they trick Hector into helping them and also Isaac is there and does nothing. I don't think any of the dozen or so other vampires shown even have any lines. Game of Thrones it is not. also what was up with that one episode that was all flashbacks but not really? it was more like a bunch of incidental details and worldbuilding that you could already figure out just inferring from the main plot. it's like they needed to pad the episode count so they finished a bunch of deleted scenes and threw them together. I liked the first season a lot more when there was great build up and just a lot of raw potential for moving forward, but then the second season spends half it's episode count spinning it's wheels, two episodes which should have been expanded to be the entire season unto themselves, and then two episodes advancing storylines that don't matter and creating setup that's not even remotely related to Castlevania anymore
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I'm from Ontario and I remember S Club 7 but everyone around my hood thought they were trash, and we were the kind of dirtbag kids knocking heads to Boomtang Boys, Vengaboys, Toy-Box, a lot of eurodance garbage. When the S Club 7 kids came around, fists came out!
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DoubleCakes posted:I'm from Ontario and I remember S Club 7 but everyone around my hood thought they were trash, and we were the kind of dirtbag kids knocking heads to Boomtang Boys, Vengaboys, Toy-Box, a lot of eurodance garbage. When the S Club 7 kids came around, fists came out! I mean, they *were* really poo poo. S Club 7 was in many ways like something you'd see at a shite holiday camp in Skegness suddenly transported onto the big stage - even their biggest hit, Don't Stop Movin', is nowt but a shambling mess of a disco pastiche (even a Jacko sample can't save it) and they even lack the sheer enjoyable trash quality of a band like, I dunno, Steps who at least gave the material their all. It's just...not good. There's something to be said for the fact that Westlife have just reunited and are selling out arenas around the country, whilst you can regularly find S Club 3 (as they are now) in your local dodgy nightclub or bingo hall. (To be fair, a full reunion tour did hit arenas a couple of years back, it's just that there's 3 members who don't know when to give it away) As I said, the one good thing to come out of the whole thing was Rachel's solo career. And it's not as if she was a super talent or even that good a voice, but she paired very well with Richard X's production and he was doing some cool weird things in pop at the time. Had a couple of good songs from Xenomania too. She wasn't that successful though aside from a couple of songs. Kim Justice fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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SatansBestBuddy posted:it wasn't even that politically complex. it's literally just Carmilla planning a coup, Godbrand signs on, they trick Hector into helping them and also Isaac is there and does nothing. I don't think any of the dozen or so other vampires shown even have any lines. Game of Thrones it is not. Hector and Isaac are from Legacy of Darkness, a game set after CV3 which the anime adapts.
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SatansBestBuddy posted:it wasn't even that politically complex. it's literally just Carmilla planning a coup, Godbrand signs on, they trick Hector into helping them and also Isaac is there and does nothing. I don't think any of the dozen or so other vampires shown even have any lines. Game of Thrones it is not. The biggest issue for me was that you could cut the entirety of the vampire politics, and nothing in the story would be affected. And yet, it seemed like the bulk of the screentime. In comparison, we got almost no character development or action for the mains. It was just frustrating all around, because it was great when it actually was about something. (Leaving aside the fact that Warren Ellis writes like Warren Ellis.)
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Nov 19, 2018 07:09
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I mean the obvious reason is that talky political scenes are cheap and they had to budget around Episode 206-207 (207 especially) being loving spectacular and expensive. If more of those scenes had been with the party in the library I wouldn't have complained though.
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Nov 19, 2018 07:14
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DoctorWhat posted:I mean the obvious reason is that talky political scenes are cheap and they had to budget around Episode 206-207 (207 especially) being loving spectacular and expensive. My main thing is that they chose to animate the plot cul de sac and ignore developing the main characters OR flashbacks to the most important relationship according to the climax, both of which would be just as easy to animate as (and vastly more interesting than) arguing over the same poo poo.
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Nov 19, 2018 07:28
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Puppy Time posted:The biggest issue for me was that you could cut the entirety of the vampire politics, and nothing in the story would be affected. And yet, it seemed like the bulk of the screentime. In comparison, we got almost no character development or action for the mains. I mean, it did mean that the heroes could stroll into the castle without facing Dracula's giant army (which was set up as a big thing in S1), and set up the board for the adaptation of Curse of Darkness that will serve as the sequel.
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There is like, two sets of leftists who hate chapo; you have the ultrawoke ones, who either value demonstrable wokeness over effective left wing praxis, are bitter at being made fun of by chapo, or are simply liberals claiming to be progressive, who blame chapo and an imagined Bernie-bro insurrection for costing Hillary the election. There is not that much to their criticism; I think one could agree with them that chapo is not funny if your sensibilities swing that way, but mostly it boils down to sour grapes. The other type of leftists are tankies and various other denominations of leftist who feel chapo are either too rich and successful, not radical enough, or part of some government psyop program, Jewish or anti-semetic conspiracy. Their criticism, when explicitly ideological and not conspiratorial, is actually more legit in my opinion, but the whole "you can't get rich and be a socialist" thing veers into self-defeatism. Also, Warren Ellis is the only reason I would watch a Castlevania anime, he should put Spider Jerusalem in that poo poo.
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DoctorWhat posted:I mean the obvious reason is that talky political scenes are cheap and they had to budget around Episode 206-207 (207 especially) being loving spectacular and expensive. 206 and 207 should have been the entire season seriously. having them actually take on Dracula's army while storming his castle like they were building up to in season 1 would have been so rewarding and could have easily filled an entire season. have all those locations in the castle they put effort into creating be minor setpieces as they get lost in it. have Carmilla actually interact with the main cast and plot betrayal by teaming up with them, have Isaac and Hector involved in trying to hinder their efforts by creating bigger and better monsters to fight them, have Godbrand leading a horde of monsters to try to split up and fight the party at every turn, have the castle feel like it's so loving huge that it takes 8 episodes to get through it don't have a Dracula who's so bored he doesn't even want to bother fighting a war he could win singlehandedly, don't have the main characters locked up in a basement completely divorced from the plot for most of the season, don't try to have "vampire politics" when you only have one backstabber doing all the backstabbing and everybody else is just a matte painting, and don't call your anime Castlevania and then make the titular castle's most significant contribution to the show is by being a loving taxi I should probably go be mad in the Castlevania thread
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To be frank a good part of the hate comes from a base that proceeded to flip their poo poo for several months at things like "Jeet Heer calls the dry boys rowdy", "Close pal tells them that a joke didn't quite land", "a leftist podcast that has less patreon income than them disagrees with them". When you make a pod that, admittedly, does pull away a chunk of the same crowd that would otherwise gather around the targets of Contra, you also have to consider that sometimes you find yourself seeing your fans gently caress up whatever good faith was built until now. I know I've had to do the spiel of "Oh the podcast is good and you'd otherwise like it, it's just a bad fan experience and doesn't represent what they otherwise said" over and over again to pals that asked me about the show after a bad tiff with the fans. I haven't heard the whole pod yet, but they've gone a bit on that on previous situations. It's also why they have a twitch channel. Kunster fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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FoldableHuman posted:Acting while high on cocaine is hard, okay? Cocaine and banging Kylie Minogue between shoots can make anyone stiff as a board, really..
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Biomute posted:There is like, two sets of leftists who hate chapo; you have the ultrawoke ones, who either value demonstrable wokeness over effective left wing praxis, are bitter at being made fun of by chapo, or are simply liberals claiming to be progressive, who blame chapo and an imagined Bernie-bro insurrection for costing Hillary the election. There is not that much to their criticism; I think one could agree with them that chapo is not funny if your sensibilities swing that way, but mostly it boils down to sour grapes. Yes I’m sure the only people that dislike chapping are the bad people you got it my dude This is another reason to dislike them, their fan base are kind of insane
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Nov 19, 2018 10:31
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Archer666 posted:Cocaine and banging Kylie Minogue between shoots can make anyone stiff as a board, really.. Maybe that's why he put such weird emphasis on the phrase SO HARD! in this speech. He wasn't acting, it was a cry for help...
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Nov 19, 2018 11:03
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The founder of Capcom, Kenzo Tsujimoto, has a cameo in that scene. He's the rather middle-aged and stout A.N. soldier. Street Fighter is such an interesting movie. The story of its making is truly one to behold.
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Nov 19, 2018 11:28
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYW5rmQgGXE Who knew the Street Fighter movie was ahead of its time?
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Nov 19, 2018 11:44
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Leal posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYW5rmQgGXE That is the single best gag in that movie, I swear to Christ.
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nine-gear crow posted:That is the single best gag in that movie, I swear to Christ. I'm more partial to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsMxmYW0ci4
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SatansBestBuddy posted:206 and 207 should have been the entire season While I complain about it not fitting Castlevania in many ways, there are things I like. While I wish the castle were larger and more varied, I like that they concentrated most of the action into a terrifying implacable speedrun. I like Dracula's suicidal melancholy, as it's fitting with the themes of gothic horror and not entirely inconsistent with his portrayal in Symphony. I think the lack of Dracula/Alucard flashbacks lends more emotional weight to the ending, because it's something both characters have deliberately suppressed and that makes us feel their pain. I even like some of what they were doing with the monster politics (specifically the weird broken relationship between Isaac, Hector, and Dracula), although most of it was a waste. Warren Ellis isn't a bad writer he just needs to be willing to reach out of his comfort zone if he doesn't want to be the guy who just repackages The Authority/Transmetropolitan over and over again.
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Nov 19, 2018 12:54
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He should pitch Global Frequency to Netflix. Do it similarly to Maniac.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yes I’m sure the only people that dislike chapping are the bad people you got it my dude Lol you're the guy who thinks Akira is pro-fascism.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yes I’m sure the only people that dislike chapping are the bad people you got it my dude I haven't watched any Chapo Trap House but I assumed they were talking about their loudest detractors. Because people who go 'eh that wasn't that great' and move on without regularly telling everyone that it sucks will never be noticed.
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Kim Justice posted:Woah, I didn't even know that S Club 7 had a hit in America. Of course, they had a lot more than one hit over here - I wanna say they had four #1's (Never Dream being one of them, although definitely not their biggest - that would be Don't Stop Movin'). Rachel had a really good solo career, Hannah and Tina have done a lot of acting, and Jo went on to be highly racist on a UK reality TV show. I can't remember the name of the boys even after looking on Wiki. I was amused at how hard Todd flipped out over their Hanson slam.
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Nov 19, 2018 14:40
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Chapo have done plenty of things to upset people who are not prudish liberals or stiff marxist-leninists, you don't need to agree with their criticisms or conclude Chapo are Bad People to understand where they are coming from. They have always been especially clumsy on issues of mental and physical disabilities, for example.
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RareAcumen posted:I haven't watched any Chapo Trap House but I assumed they were talking about their loudest detractors. Because people who go 'eh that wasn't that great' and move on without regularly telling everyone that it sucks will never be noticed. Eh Chapo fans get rather defensive like literally any fan base based on the subjects personalities. Chapo is fine if you treat it for what it is, a funny podcast with no real bearing on leftism but I don’t think the fans can see that like the daily show for leftists. MonsieurChoc posted:Lol you're the guy who thinks Akira is pro-fascism. Yep
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxoYo0wf-0c Jim takes some time to throw some much needed criticism at Bethesda's conga line of incompetent fuckups.
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I’ve listened to some of Chapo but Matt’s “everything is poo poo and nothing matters” view grates on me
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Nov 19, 2018 15:47
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MonsieurChoc posted:Lol you're the guy who thinks Akira is pro-fascism. Superheroes or people with powers like that is all a big fascism wank-fest that I never really caught before this thread so I can believe it.
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Lum is a princess of an alien race made entirely of colonizers who invade planets for resources and justify it with arbitrary, unbalanced contests so yeah probably. Not to mention the Nazi Cafe.
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https://twitter.com/philgreaves01/status/942709261347500032?lang=en
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All those are extremely true. Especially British soaps.
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i was about to say lol, buncha phil greaves in here please go outside and talk to human beings in real life for like 5 minutes a day, at least
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I’m not sure how talking to people would matter but that’s just like the go to lazy burn so you do you I guess. I also didn’t bring this up.
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