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Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
I actually really enjoyed the battles, but the unlock system kinda sucked yeah.

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Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Not the Messiah posted:

Empire, Napoleon and Medieval 2 have been 'rereleased' as Definitive Versions on Steam. Saw the email and thought it was a remaster, but it's just a bundle with all the DLC included. If you own any of the games you automatically get upgraded to all the DLC for free which is nice (would be nicer if I knew this was coming before I finally got the peninsular campaign a month or two back :colbert:)


Also the naming for them is now in line with the rest of the modern TW games :hist101:

Hell yeah! I never got the empire dlc so this is a neat opportunity to play those campaigns

hemale in pain
Jun 5, 2010




Koramei posted:

Yeah I feel like by having all the factions be exactly the same as the ones that are in Rome 2 (and fleshed out way more there) it kinda missed the point. Give me Rome vs Mongols, or Samurai vs Napoleonic line or something. Now the flaw that kept it from being successful was probably completely unrelated to that, but it'd definitely have kept me more interested dammit.


Anyway in a different sense I feel like this is actually incredibly good news; wasn't it around when Arena started to be a thing that they started completely skimping on the multiplayer in the main releases? Maybe we can actually get something like Shogun 2 again now.

Yeah, it's really weird they've not done anything with multiplayer outside of custom battles (which suck) Shogun 2 wasn't even close to perfect but drat it's better than basically nothing.

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747


i just found this old screenshot of when we got number 1 in the world in 4v4s

never mind that noone played that mode

Dramicus
Mar 26, 2010
Grimey Drawer
Huh, I bought the giant founders pack before it released and never played it. Oh well. It's nice that I can get some gold for wows, which I play occasionally.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

hemale in pain posted:

Yeah, it's really weird they've not done anything with multiplayer outside of custom battles (which suck) Shogun 2 wasn't even close to perfect but drat it's better than basically nothing.

Warhammer quick battles are great fun. An army painter and avatar system would be awesome tho

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
It is a crime for a Warhammer game to come packaged without an army painter mechanic.

Captain Beans
Aug 5, 2004

Whar be the beans?
Hair Elf
I hope they take the most important engine component from Arena and put it in all their future titles - do not tie game speed to the worst performing player in the lobby.

It makes anything other than 1v1 in Warhammer a ridiculous dice roll as to how the game will run. You can wait 15 minutes to fill up a 4v4 lobby only to have one idiot with a potato PC run the entire match at 1/8 speed.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Dumb question for Warhams: if I have mortal empires installed and I'm only interested in the big combined campaign (as far as the original races go), can I uninstall Warhammer 1 from my hard drive or does it need to be there?

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Alchenar posted:

Dumb question for Warhams: if I have mortal empires installed and I'm only interested in the big combined campaign (as far as the original races go), can I uninstall Warhammer 1 from my hard drive or does it need to be there?

You can uninstall. You only need to own game 1.

Unzip and Attack
Mar 3, 2008

USPOL May
I'm glad Arena got cancelled. It was a grindy POS and we need fewer games like that on the market.

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Unzip and Attack posted:

I'm glad Arena got cancelled. It was a grindy POS and we need fewer games like that on the market.

It would be fine if it was a grindy piece of poo poo and you were grinding for cosmetics, but the fundamental gameplay was so loving busted that, even if you're playing against people in your own tier, it was just a bad Total War game at best.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


I really loved the concept and am sad that it's closing.

Ham Sandwiches
Jul 7, 2000

I was really excited for arena. Then I tried it.

"What if we made a really cool combat tactical game about the total war mechanics?"

"Yeah!"

"And then we simplify the poo poo out of them, remake all the units models and animations for no particular reason, toss out all the existing mechanics and give you no mechanical depth, resources / ammo, or any of the gameplay you like from total war games"

:gonk:

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

What if the gimmick was allowing you to pit legendary commanders from different time periods against each other, but instead of doing anything interesting with that it's all Rome 2 factions.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Mantis42 posted:

What if the gimmick was allowing you to pit legendary commanders from different time periods against each other, but instead of doing anything interesting with that it's all Rome 2 factions.

Sounds like exactly what “hardcore historical total war fans” want. Maybe add byzantines and crusaders and you’re gold

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Sounds like exactly what “hardcore historical total war fans” want. Maybe add byzantines and crusaders and you’re gold

Also add units from shogun 2. Just go nuts. Samurai vs Roman legions vs Viking Raiders vs Arabian cavalry

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Agean90 posted:

Also add units from shogun 2. Just go nuts. Samurai vs Roman legions vs Viking Raiders vs Arabian cavalry

Yeah "For Honor: The RTS" is basically what people felt like Arena should have been, instead it was just Rome 2 multiplayer.

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

The Cheshire Cat posted:

instead it was just Rome 2 multiplayer.

It was just like Rome 2 multiplayer with a unit "tier" system where a single squad of tier 3 infantry could kill three squads of the same kind of unit at tier 2, with a total of 9 tiers. Also all of the maps are designed with moba style lanes so there's never any meaningful positioning. Also units have special abilities that can easily kill dozens of soldiers with a click of a button. And there's no way to adjust unit depth.

Is there anything else I'm forgetting? Comparing Arena to any actual Total War game is not fair at all. It's on its own level of bad.

turn off the TV fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Nov 25, 2018

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

Ham Sandwiches posted:

I was really excited for arena. Then I tried it.

"What if we made a really cool combat tactical game about the total war mechanics?"

"Yeah!"

"And then we simplify the poo poo out of them, remake all the units models and animations for no particular reason, toss out all the existing mechanics and give you no mechanical depth, resources / ammo, or any of the gameplay you like from total war games"

:gonk:

Watch some world of tanks gameplay, that's wargamings mo

Theor games are designed to make you want to progress to the next tier, and get you hooked on it like a gaming machine, then up the grind to the max so you feel the need to spend money. Its bad.

underage at the vape shop fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Nov 25, 2018

alex314
Nov 22, 2007

alex314 posted:

TW games started to crash on me recently. All of them. During some battles in R2, S2 and WH1 I get crash to desktop. It's usually near the end but before enemy rout, and it doesn't happen in all of them. Never had it during campaign map layer. I thought my PC overheats since I've messed with fan curves lately, but monitoring software doesn't report anything out of normal range. It's also TW games only so far, I can play Mount and Blade or Witcher 3 for hours without issue. Any clues? My PC spec:
Ryzen 1700@3,65
1060 6GB
16GB RAM at 3466MHz.
My only idea is that RAM is pretty highly clocked and maybe TW games address memory in some way that ends up crashing the game.

From a while back, finally figured it 100% out. It was RAM speed, dropped it to 3200MHz and no issue in 3 long sessions.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


so ive been playing empire again and what ever happened to imperial splendor? What little there was was promising

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Agean90 posted:

so ive been playing empire again and what ever happened to imperial splendor? What little there was was promising

Last time I checked they are still working on their Napoleonic spin off and a minor member of their team was busy trying to work slavery as some horrible form of economic bonus to Empire.

Needless to say, that sort of blunts my excitement for it.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


SeanBeansShako posted:

Last time I checked they are still working on their Napoleonic spin off and a minor member of their team was busy trying to work slavery as some horrible form of economic bonus to Empire.

Needless to say, that sort of blunts my excitement for it.

Lol rip

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
Seriously the post was thus:

Some guy: Yo, I like this mod but this economics model is whack and lame.
Weird Nazi mod developer: I hear you, we're fixing it and our new system will be historically authentic. Slaves will be a resource as one of the features.

I kind of closed the tab after that, not sure what the reply to that was but knowing TWC....

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


On the bright side I'm pretty sure it will never progress now since instead of, say, working on flavorful tech trees or fleshing out units for minor factions they decide to dive right into major overhaul of underlying systems

KazigluBey
Oct 30, 2011

boner

TW:A was a blast whenever I played it with friends, and unbearable whenever we jumped out of a match and I glanced at the progression system. What a tedious, garbage grind, that loving WoT/WT model is utter drek as soon as you're out of like the first three or so tiers. If that early progression speed was normalized across all tiers then I probably wouldn't have had a problem with it, but it felt like it ground to an absolute halt around T4/T5, even moreso if I wanted to unlock other factions in parallel.

Which is a goddamned shame, it was a lot of fun to coordinate with friends on voip especially on maps like Thermopylae or Teutoburg Forest. The potential to do cool cross-historical stuff like dropping in Shogun-era Japan was something I had real hope for.

Note that the game didn't even get a proper release, it was technically still in (pseudo) Beta, if I'm not mistaken.

Gay Horney
Feb 10, 2013

by Reene
it's me, the guy creating racial bonuses for specific ethnic groups.

Acute Grill
Dec 9, 2011

Chomp
Yeah, my friends and I, when we can actually get enough of is together, do a big team multiplayer match with one person focusing on cavalry, another on the infantry line, one on skirmish/ranged/specialist units and the last on artillery/monsters (since we're usually playing Warhammer).

The games are a total mess and a hell of a lot of fun to play. Also a crude version of what I had hoped Arena would grow into. I wanted Samurai and Legions duelling each other in the infantry press while knights charge I to a musket militia line while being harassed by steppe horde horse archers.

Shame how the game turned out, hope there's another project lined up and they're not just shuttering that whole development team.

Acute Grill fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Nov 27, 2018

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Gay Horney posted:

it's me, the guy creating racial bonuses for specific ethnic groups.

stop it and focus on silly hats you fool

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
Was he being a shitheel about slaves or did he want a rome 2 like system

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

underage at the vape shop posted:

Was he being a shitheel about slaves or did he want a rome 2 like system

I think his aim was to simply be an edge lord and just replace one of the continent resources (I strongly suspect Ivory in Africa) for slaves. I don't see how else he could it.

Part of me hopes that guy is just some weird half rear end coder these bloated mod teams pick up for some reason and he's long gone.

Olewithmilk
Jun 30, 2006

What?

Should I get Atilla 2 while it is on sale?

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

SeanBeansShako posted:

I think his aim was to simply be an edge lord and just replace one of the continent resources (I strongly suspect Ivory in Africa) for slaves. I don't see how else he could it.

Part of me hopes that guy is just some weird half rear end coder these bloated mod teams pick up for some reason and he's long gone.

ah fair enough, what a fucko.

Dongattack
Dec 20, 2006

by Cyrano4747

Olewithmilk posted:

Should I get Atilla 2 while it is on sale?

I loved Attila when i got it recently, but i also enjoy:

Beefy armored space marine like romans
Endless spearmanii moosh
Slow combat
Total War naval battles

Of which there are a fair bit of in Attila (maybe not so much the naval battles, you kinda have to seek them out). It's also a pretty difficult game on the strategic map with climate change, complicated building rooster and endless public order issues to contend with. And lastly the game is pretty laggy and unoptimized.

I think it's very worth it at 80% off.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Olewithmilk posted:

Should I get Atilla 2 while it is on sale?

I don't like it much but I can squeeze some fun out of it, unlike ToB

Playing as the Roman empires is probably best, it's a pretty unique campaign from their side since you basically start out huge and have to manage your decline

E: it's a shame it's so badly optimised because it's easily the time period I'm most interested in out of all the games and has some really cool sounding factions I've just never had much fun with any of them

-Dethstryk-
Oct 20, 2000
I bought Thrones of Brittania a few days ago and I'm having a blast with it, and I think I'm *finally* starting to get the hang out of how to play Total War games, which makes me thrilled since the Three Kingdoms one is out soon enough.

One thing I can't figure out in any of the Total War games I have: Is there a reason why I shouldn't spend all of my money every turn on infrastructure? I haven't seen a downside to that yet but didn't know if I was making a huge blunder there.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


-Dethstryk- posted:

I bought Thrones of Brittania a few days ago and I'm having a blast with it, and I think I'm *finally* starting to get the hang out of how to play Total War games, which makes me thrilled since the Three Kingdoms one is out soon enough.

One thing I can't figure out in any of the Total War games I have: Is there a reason why I shouldn't spend all of my money every turn on infrastructure? I haven't seen a downside to that yet but didn't know if I was making a huge blunder there.

Building up is always good since more Inc me means more units, in ThrOB is vital becuse of the food system limiting your armies.

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Just saw the new diplo video for three kingdoms and that seems to be an awesome feature. It will be nice to have proper mechanics to cultivate large military alliances that with the right approach will actually stick together long term.

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alex314
Nov 22, 2007

-Dethstryk- posted:

One thing I can't figure out in any of the Total War games I have: Is there a reason why I shouldn't spend all of my money every turn on infrastructure? I haven't seen a downside to that yet but didn't know if I was making a huge blunder there.

I've had bad turns with some assholes blocking trade ports or messing up my cash flow. In most titles when you're in the red then you get attrition and other maluses. It could cause a poo poo cascade. It's also good idea to have a small bump just in case some random stacks appears out of nowhere close to important place so you can recruit a general and fill the stack with any mercs available.

War:Total Hammer 2 is good, there's the best end game threat mechanic in any TW game there.

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