|
OscarDiggs posted:Oh wow I meant it was! It was interesting and eye opening!
|
# ? Nov 28, 2018 17:21 |
|
|
# ? Mar 28, 2024 22:26 |
|
Well I am here to improve my reading ability. Reading what I write is as good a place to start as any .
|
# ? Nov 28, 2018 17:23 |
|
Alrighty. Dunces it is, then maybe/probably followed up by Heart of Darkness because it is pretty short. Dunces is a bit longer so expect my responses to it to be up in several, shorter posts.
|
# ? Nov 29, 2018 18:05 |
|
Dunces is long but its surprisingly easy to read
|
# ? Nov 29, 2018 18:07 |
|
Whereas Heart of Darkness is short, but the prose is dense and the pacing’s much slower.
|
# ? Nov 29, 2018 18:56 |
|
Mel Mudkiper posted:Dunces is long but its surprisingly easy to read Franchescanado posted:Whereas Heart of Darkness is short, but the prose is dense and the pacing’s much slower. So in short, books are a land of contrasts.
|
# ? Nov 29, 2018 19:10 |
|
OscarDiggs posted:So in short, books are a land of contrasts. Yes. Confederacy of Dunces is 400+ pages, but Ignatius spends like 40 pages eating hot dogs. Whereas Heart of Darkness has a lot of tangents and observations of human nature and details about colonialism. Many copies of Heart of Darkness look short and/or small, but that's also because it's public domain, so plenty of publishers will format it with small typeface and as few textblocks as possible (with the cheapest paper) for the biggest profit margin.
|
# ? Nov 29, 2018 19:34 |
|
To Kill A Mockingbird is also not a hard read and isn't that long.
|
# ? Nov 29, 2018 20:44 |
|
Antivehicular posted:To Kill A Mockingbird is also not a hard read and isn't that long. Of the five or so books mentioned, this is the one I would push for the most. Though CoD is the lightest of the options.
|
# ? Nov 29, 2018 20:48 |
|
I can always slot in To Kill A Mockingbird sooner. CoD, TkaM, HoD. Or it can be something entirely off base after Dunces is done. They were just examples of books I can now easily get my hands on.
|
# ? Nov 29, 2018 20:54 |
|
I think Mockingbird is a poo poo book sorry thread
|
# ? Nov 29, 2018 21:04 |
|
Mel Mudkiper posted:I think Mockingbird is a poo poo book sorry thread Mel I don't mind your crazy opinions I just wish you would elaborate on them without me having to ask you over two or three posts first.
|
# ? Nov 29, 2018 21:18 |
|
Franchescanado posted:Mel I don't mind your crazy opinions I just wish you would elaborate on them without me having to ask you over two or three posts first. Sorry brah. I just don't think its very good and it has a very regressive view on the ethics of racism that almost wholly robs black men and women of agency and empathy
|
# ? Nov 29, 2018 21:46 |
The modern critique of tkam is that it has a white-savior problem. All works are flawed though. I like arguing that tkam is the greatest work of southern fiction by a white author because it sends Faulkner folks into conniption fits.
|
|
# ? Nov 29, 2018 22:06 |
|
To Catch a Mockingbird in the Rye
|
# ? Nov 29, 2018 22:14 |
|
I think TKaM has its flaws; I mostly pointed it out because, of the stuff listed that I've read (haven't read CoD, need to get around to that), it seemed like a good candidate for being relatively easy/relaxing to read while still offering practice in literary analysis. HoD is shorter but substantially more challenging, IMHO.
|
# ? Nov 30, 2018 02:54 |
|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:The modern critique of tkam is that it has a white-savior problem. All works are flawed though. Broke: Faulkner Woke: Lee Bespoke: Mcdowell Hieronymous Alloy posted:The modern critique of tkam is that it has a white-savior problem. All works are flawed though. I mean, its not even the white savior problem as much as the implicit devaluation of black lives by making the wrongful imprisonment and death of a black man have the primary significance of giving a little white girl a better understanding of the world or that a white lawyer futilely going against a biased system is noble even when the consequences for the black man are unchanged. It feels like the life of Tom Robinson only has significance in so far that it affects the privileged white family of the protagonist Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Nov 30, 2018 |
# ? Nov 30, 2018 03:06 |
Mel Mudkiper posted:It feels like the life of Tom Robinson only has significance in so far that it affects the privileged white family of the protagonist Yes. Same for Sydney Poitier and Cary Grant TBQH
|
|
# ? Nov 30, 2018 08:10 |
|
Ignatius is such a weirdly unpleasant and unpleasantly weird dude, it's great. I'm about a hundred pages in and I'm thinking I'm going to read the whole thing through before putting my thoughts down in the thread; every so often I have to reread a sentence or paragraph over and over and each time, a new layer id revealed, its great. One thing, I am sort of getting the feeling I'm missing a core detail. Is there some important context I should know before getting to far in or can I safely take it at face value?
|
# ? Dec 8, 2018 21:28 |
|
OscarDiggs posted:One thing, I am sort of getting the feeling I'm missing a core detail. Is there some important context I should know before getting to far in or can I safely take it at face value?
|
# ? Dec 8, 2018 22:08 |
|
OscarDiggs posted:Ignatius is such a weirdly unpleasant and unpleasantly weird dude, it's great. I'm about a hundred pages in and I'm thinking I'm going to read the whole thing through before putting my thoughts down in the thread; every so often I have to reread a sentence or paragraph over and over and each time, a new layer id revealed, its great. It should be noted that Ignatius is a mix between people the author saw while working for LSU and the type of person the author worried that he was
|
# ? Dec 8, 2018 22:11 |
|
Sham bam bamina! posted:I don't quite understand the question. The only thing I'd really point out is that the book is less about Ignatius than it is about the people connected through him, but I'm sure that you already picked up on that yourself. It was more I was worried that I was missing the forest for the trees so to speak; allowing myself to get distracted by the to obvious stuff. Mel Mudkiper posted:It should be noted that Ignatius is a mix between people the author saw while working for LSU and the type of person the author worried that he was Interesting! Thanks.
|
# ? Dec 8, 2018 23:34 |
|
OscarDiggs posted:Ignatius is such a weirdly unpleasant and unpleasantly weird dude, it's great. I'm about a hundred pages in and I'm thinking I'm going to read the whole thing through before putting my thoughts down in the thread; every so often I have to reread a sentence or paragraph over and over and each time, a new layer id revealed, its great. He's you.
|
# ? Dec 10, 2018 02:11 |
|
Franchescanado posted:An example of this from CineD*, from about a year ago, a goon couldn't comprehend how to interpret film beyond what the film presented or reading about the filmmaker's intention. Symbolism, interpretation, themes, motifs, all of it was beyond their own creative interpretations. It became such an issue that they were given a Mod Challenge to come up with any interpretation of any aspect of Alien. All they had to do was pick one or two signifieds and then discuss their signifiers; it could be bat-poo poo insane, as long as it was an original interpretation. They were even given examples of how to do so. Their result? An essay detailing the art director's intention, the cinematographer's intention, the writer's intention, and Ridley Scott's intention. They were incapable of anything other than reading imdb trivia and wikipedia articles. Heavy reliance on author intention creates goons like that. (If I can find a link, I'll edit it in, because it's a great argument for Death of the Author.) It's a bit late, but I remember this. GonSmithe's challenge to Baron Bifford. The OP of that thread has links to the challenge and the submitted essays. Khizan fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Dec 10, 2018 |
# ? Dec 10, 2018 03:19 |
|
Khizan posted:It's a bit late, but I remember this. You loving rule!
|
# ? Dec 10, 2018 03:21 |
|
Normal Adult Human posted:He's you. Huge, if true. Khizan posted:It's a bit late, but I remember this. I'll add that to the OP at some point. EDIT: Done OscarDiggs fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Dec 10, 2018 |
# ? Dec 10, 2018 15:27 |
|
Okay. All done with Confederacy with dunces. There was a moment, toward about... page 30-40, where we're with Ignacious, his Mother and the Police Officer. He's watching a clearasil commericial. I became terrified. A Condfederacy of Dunces was no longer an amusing book about an absolutely wretched person; it was a cursed mirror, reflecting back at me some of the worst aspects I ever saw in myself throughout the years. I couldn't continue and yet I couldn't put it down. That terror passed, and I went on again appreciating it as a picaresque walk in absurdity, but I never forgot it. In a way it was the perfect book to read on the run up to New Years Day. So, very enjoyable at the end of the day, with a brief walk into existential dread. I'm going to take a few days before moving onto something else. I'm thinking of delving back into something Russian, either this time or next. I got Crime and Punishment from a family member who knew I was reading "Hard Books" so, that's now an option. Of course, suggestions from th peanut gallery are more the welcome. I hope everyone had a merry christmas and a happy new year!
|
# ? Jan 4, 2019 23:02 |
|
I'll narrow my suggestions for Russian literature down to two short but excellent novels, so you can keep putting off the lengthy "and" books: The Captain's Daughter by Pushkin Heart of a Dog by Bulgakov
|
# ? Jan 4, 2019 23:37 |
|
I'd suggest jumping over to Virginia Woolf and Mrs Dalloway because I just read it in an evening and want to see what you think of it.
|
# ? Jan 5, 2019 00:04 |
|
Mel Mudkiper posted:Post-Modernism can be perhaps best defined by Jean-Francois Lyotard in "The Post-Modern Condition" (see: https://monoskop.org/images/e/e0/Lyotard_Jean-Francois_The_Postmodern_Condition_A_Report_on_Knowledge.pdf This explains a lot about your posting. And I mean that in a good way. Cheers for the link, it was interesting. If there are any more philosophical PDFs you'd recommend and link to I might, again, stay up all night drinking beer and reading them.
|
# ? Jan 5, 2019 06:01 |
|
Mrenda posted:This explains a lot about your posting. And I mean that in a good way. Cheers for the link, it was interesting. I am just touched someone finally read a link I posted
|
# ? Jan 5, 2019 19:25 |
|
vyelkin posted:I'll narrow my suggestions for Russian literature down to two short but excellent novels, so you can keep putting off the lengthy "and" books: Thanks! I'm pretty interested in the concept of Heart of a Dog, so that may be what I pick. Mel Mudkiper posted:I am just touched someone finally read a link I posted I read them! I don't always understand them and usually need to do a bit of further background reading, but I read them.
|
# ? Jan 7, 2019 14:56 |
|
.
whatevz fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Apr 25, 2022 |
# ? Jan 9, 2019 04:51 |
|
.
whatevz fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Apr 25, 2022 |
# ? Jan 9, 2019 04:55 |
|
pleasecallmechrist posted:I'm not a big fan of TKAM but for those who are attempting to learn to read literature and are exploring theory, Mel provides a perfect example of the limitations and delusional connect the dots that is applying the oppressed and oppressor dynamic to readings and why critical theory and, even more so, intersectionality are middle brow, sled righteous onanism. Note this is also Mel's defacto approach to texts. He has literally just implied that a text taking place in the Jim Crow South is regressive and devaluing of black life because a white family who is involved in the communal event and/or futile defense of a black man draw conclusions from the experience and though they tried they did not succeed. fuckin sjws am I right I mean, you missed the point of the critique so wholly that I can only assume its deliberate
|
# ? Jan 9, 2019 13:30 |
|
Winesburg, Ohio is really good. I still think about the story cycle of the man who talks to God and inherits the farm, makes it successful, and then goes on a drive with his grandson during a psychotic episode, which he believes is a religious experience. Such a wonderful, melancholic book.
|
# ? Jan 9, 2019 14:06 |
|
OscarDiggs posted:Okay. All done with Confederacy with dunces. read something happened by joseph heller.
|
# ? Jan 9, 2019 14:15 |
|
.
whatevz fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Apr 25, 2022 |
# ? Jan 9, 2019 15:35 |
|
pleasecallmechrist posted:My response is thoughtful enough to provoke thought or actual opinion pleasecallmechrist posted:Mel provides a perfect example of the limitations and delusional connect the dots that is applying the oppressed and oppressor dynamic to readings and why critical theory and, even more so, intersectionality are middle brow, sled righteous onanism. Note this is also Mel's defacto approach to texts. As I said before, your critique misses the point so much that I am not sure how to respond to it without taking you back to the basics of critical theory, but hey, I will try pleasecallmechrist posted:He has literally just implied that a text taking place in the Jim Crow South is regressive and devaluing of black life because a white family who is involved in the communal event and/or futile defense of a black man draw conclusions from the experience and though they tried they did not succeed. pleasecallmechrist posted:And because his live has value to the protagonists, which is contrast to the society, that there can be themes at all outside of historical context. You seem to be operating under the assumption that my criticism of Robinson's life having value only in relation to the white protagonists is a criticism based on historical context. Your response suggests you believe I am critiquing racism in a book set during a period of racism, and asking the book to apply achronistic behavior from the characters. This is completely missing the point. There is nothing historical about my criticism. The issues with the objectification are not because an era, but because of the perspective applied by the author. It is not society that devalues Tom Robinson, it is the author and the narration that does so. By taking the historical realities of racism and applying the narrative consequence of them to their effect on the white protagonists, the novel devalues Tom Robinson. The value of a black man is not in his ability to enlighten a white person either through suffering or friendship. This is the delusion most mainstream treatments on race seem to operate under. Its a story about racism for the sake of a white audience. The "its historical" argument falls flat specifically when you consider books written in and about this era have avoided this issue. Native Son and Invisible Man both deal with this era and the historical realities of it without reducing the meaning of a black man's life to the enlightenment of a white person. The failure of the novel is that Tom Robinson exists as a character for the sake of Atticus, Scout, and the white reader. He is not a developed person whose life has consequence outside of those effects.
|
# ? Jan 9, 2019 15:54 |
|
|
# ? Mar 28, 2024 22:26 |
|
Upon reflection, its interesting how Jan and Max from Native Son are very effective critiques of the arrogance behind the portrayal of Atticus and Scout a full decade before the book it was written
|
# ? Jan 9, 2019 16:19 |