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lurker, but computer-toucher checking in: taking a year off from working =  job hunting after taking a year off = 
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Ciaphas posted:got a call from a recruiter this morning!! have you tried to at least apply to these companies through the recruiter? if not, don't say you are unqualified - if you get hired despite your resume not matching their description then by definition you're qualified enough to do the work. you have no idea what sort of clown shoes managers and coworkers i have seen and to be honest reading your posts here you seem desperate for a job like i was a year ago - beggars can't be choosers so if i were you i would try to go out and get some face to face interviews even if i am 99% i will not like the job. at the very least you get interview experience and build your confidence, at best you will get a job where you are happier, even if the company itself sucks for some reason
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Nov 30, 2018 00:46
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gonna second just getting some interviews/conversations going, if only because the first impressions of a company or position can often be very wrong for my current job, I had originally thought that I wouldn't really be what they were looking for, nor that I would be interested in what they were doing, but I still went for an interview on a lark since I was available anyway and it ended up actually being a really good match and interesting work to boot meanwhile a different place had initially looked like it'd be a great fit but after a couple interviews it was apparent that they were a bit of a mess internally, while also paying much less for the privilege
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Nov 30, 2018 07:00
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i mean, the recruiter only offered me stuff that literally had no mention on my resume (PHP came up twice, i recall that) when I already told her "JavaScript is only there because I touched it like once six years ago", so i'm not sure even saying 'sure, send me along' would have any value still, for the sake of practicing basic interview skills, fair enough i suppose. I told her last time we spoke that I'm actively seeking new work, so I ope she's not just sitting on my resume for lack of permission or some dumb poo poo like that, guess i should check so here's a different topic: applying internationally, or even just finding jobs to apply for when "where you end up moving to" is low on the priority list. where do you start? i've never not just started by locality and gone from there when it comes to searching out places to apply there's one specific company in New Zealand i've reached out to; haven't heard anything, though. I certainly wouldn't object to living in NZ, so I suppose I could start there, but then the question I have is, what should i know about even trying to do that as an american? Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Nov 30, 2018 |
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Nov 30, 2018 07:41
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yes let’s send the depressed anxious man an ocean away from any family, friends, or business contacts that’s not gonna be a perma for suicide/overdose, no sir...
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Nov 30, 2018 07:51
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Ciaphas posted:i mean, the recruiter only offered me stuff that literally had no mention on my resume (PHP came up twice, i recall that) when I already told her "JavaScript is only there because I touched it like once six years ago", so i'm not sure even saying 'sure, send me along' would have any value everything you say is self sabotage. stop looking for reasons why a certain job wouldn't work or you shouldn't do a certain thing. that kind of thinking has hosed your life up. interview for every job, even ones that seem totally irrelevant. your type of thinking would have had me writing MUMPS for the rest of my life because no position out there had tech I was familiar with get out of the well goon
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Nov 30, 2018 10:52
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jit bull transpile posted:everything you say is self sabotage. stop looking for reasons why a certain job wouldn't work or you shouldn't do a certain thing. that kind of thinking has hosed your life up. interview for every job, even ones that seem totally irrelevant. your type of thinking would have had me writing MUMPS for the rest of my life because no position out there had tech I was familiar with Absolutely this. Don't spend time thinking of ways you're not a perfect fit for the job, that's the interviewer's task - you need to be focusing on all the ways you'd be good at it. You're a programmer, and these are programming languages. You know all the basics and if you've used the language at all you're pretty much there. Don't know PHP at all? Spend a few hours getting the hang of the fundamentals and trust that your knowledge of other languages will carry over well. If someone is willing to interview you with no explicit PHP on your CV then let them! The worst that'll happen is they hire you and you'll be a bit slower at coding for a few weeks while you get into the swing of things. Most programmers are garbage at everything so have the confidence that you'll be a decent candidate compared to the majority of the people they interview.
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Nov 30, 2018 11:02
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Progressive JPEG posted:gonna second just getting some interviews/conversations going, if only because the first impressions of a company or position can often be very wrong yeah, i gotta echo this when i was interviewing and a recruiter hit me up for this job, word of mouth from some friends had been "very corporate, not a tech company, prepare for beige everything and a lot of stupid poo poo", and the postings looked similar. i took the interview anyway, just to have some practice/get a safety offer. the interview kind of showed me a different vibe for the place, but even then it wasn't until i actually took the job and started that i saw a lot of those impressions were wrong. of course, a friend going at the same time took a very corporate job in health care software and now loving hates it. it all kinda sucks.
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Nov 30, 2018 14:19
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kloa posted:lurker, but computer-toucher checking in: yeah looking at a resume with a 1 year gap is a big red flag and i would probably not even consider it if it came my way. it sucks but i don't have time to waste
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Nov 30, 2018 14:22
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that's a good question, how much of a gap do y'all consider "safe"? i've seriously debated taking 6 months off work to travel but it's also something i worry about a bit i have a friend that did it a few times and didn't seem to hurt his career vOv i guess i could keep my consulting business active during that time and do a bit of freelance work, so i actually wouldn't have a gap...
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Nov 30, 2018 14:27
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Cold on a Cob posted:
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Nov 30, 2018 14:37
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Captain Foo posted:do this Yeah. At the very least you could pretend you tried to get some open source project off the ground. Just set aside some code on github and commit to it once and awhile, while cruising around the globe. Then when you are job hunting you can say you took time off to pursue a dream of <YET ANOTHER JAVASCRIPT FRAMEWORK> and it won't be a glaring gap on your CV.
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Nov 30, 2018 15:07
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thanks, will do, assuming i can tear myself away from the exciting world of overpaid computer touching
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Nov 30, 2018 15:18
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After a bunch of recruiters + phone interviews over the past 3 weeks and two in persons this week, I just got a new position at a 33% higher base pay and 2 days/week remote. I have a good feeling the code is gonna be trash, but they've hired me to make it better so I'm looking forward to the challenge I guess. Nabbin my 6th figgie by a big margin, it's great.
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Nov 30, 2018 16:59
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:yeah looking at a resume with a 1 year gap is a big red flag and i would probably not even consider it if it came my way. I hoped you were joking, but I know you’re not  I have hobbies outside of programming. Sorry I don’t dream in code and spend all of my free time programming 
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Nov 30, 2018 17:03
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Skyl3lazer posted:After a bunch of recruiters + phone interviews over the past 3 weeks and two in persons this week, I just got a new position at a 33% higher base pay and 2 days/week remote. I have a good feeling the code is gonna be trash, but they've hired me to make it better so I'm looking forward to the challenge I guess. Nabbin my 6th figgie by a big margin, it's great.  nice work
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Nov 30, 2018 17:30
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kloa posted:I hoped you were joking, but I know you’re not I should clarify. 1 year gap as in 1 year gap of ANY employment. You can be painting houses during a period of time, I don't care, as long as you're doing something. CRIP EATIN BREAD fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Nov 30, 2018 |
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Nov 30, 2018 18:08
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:I should clarify. 1 year gap as in 1 year gap of ANY employment. You can be painting houses during a period of time, I don't care, as long as you're doing something.
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Nov 30, 2018 18:26
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1cVl7KHsGA&t=74s
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Nov 30, 2018 18:28
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Gazpacho posted:you're still a tremendous dick. i'm willing to shoulder that burden when it comes to trying to wade through quality employee prospects. if i had all the time in the world to check out every single possible human for a position, I would. but I don't, and sometimes you need to make sacrifices.
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Nov 30, 2018 18:49
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yeah im nto sure why people are surprised by that. I feel that sounds pretty standard HR practice for america. and america sucks also as everyone here knows, its your sworn duty to do the least amount of work and maximum loving around. id imagine most jobs have way too many resumes to way through, and it seems like a pretty simple first-pass weeding check that if someone hasnt been employed doing anything, they're probably unhireble to others and will end up being so to you as well most likely. so save that interview time and shitpost instead and throw into the shredder.
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Nov 30, 2018 18:53
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I recently came off the longest job of my career, which lasted >5 years until I left voluntarily because upper management deliberately destroyed the team and there was no possibility of shipping another release under the circumstances. That was five months ago and since then I've been suffering the effects of staying in a job that paid even though it didn't use the latest glitzy skills. and probably also the effects of nitwits who look at those 5 months and go "welp" while ignoring the 5 years before them.
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Nov 30, 2018 19:03
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Ciaphas posted:i mean, the recruiter only offered me stuff that literally had no mention on my resume (PHP came up twice, i recall that) when I already told her "JavaScript is only there because I touched it like once six years ago", so i'm not sure even saying 'sure, send me along' would have any value you already have a job so it doesn't matter if you get it. the worst that happens is you waste the interviewers time and they are a little miffed until they forget about it the next day. either way you get experience interviewing which will help you significantly with your confidence.
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Nov 30, 2018 19:28
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yeah, sorry y'all it's genuinely astonishing even to me how often i'll just let myself shoot my toe off and not even notice (or even fully rationalize it) i'll try to take a more shotgun-like approach going forward with the applications (edit) that said thanks for the interesting info Progressive JPEG, glad that ended up working out for you. that part of my original post was partly true, at least, i'd love to visit NZ Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Nov 30, 2018 |
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Nov 30, 2018 19:51
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Ciaphas posted:yeah, sorry y'all We're trying to help you not shoot your foot off op 😙
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Cold on a Cob posted:that's a good question, how much of a gap do y'all consider "safe"? there should be no gap at all unemployed applicants are a huge red flag edit: i say this as someone who has knowingly and deliberately spent six months unemployed before. getting back in the saddle was hard because a non-trivial fraction of employers just bins any resume from an unemployed person. i knew that would happen and had savings to handle a long job hunt Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Nov 30, 2018 |
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Nov 30, 2018 20:08
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:Yeah. At the very least you could pretend you tried to get some open source project off the ground. Just set aside some code on github and commit to it once and awhile, while cruising around the globe. Then when you are job hunting you can say you took time off to pursue a dream of <YET ANOTHER JAVASCRIPT FRAMEWORK> and it won't be a glaring gap on your CV. since your gap is most likely to be flagged and tossed by the applicant management system or hr, this will do you 0 good by the time a technical person is talking to you or reading your resume you already made it through the eye of the needle
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Gazpacho posted:you're still a tremendous dick. hiring is a nightmare and nobody cares about "being a dick" by throwing away a resume
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:since your gap is most likely to be flagged and tossed by the applicant management system or hr, this will do you 0 good I guess you can always file for and set up an LLC and then "employ" yourself.
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Nov 30, 2018 20:28
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:I guess you can always file for and set up an LLC and then "employ" yourself. this is also a common ploy that won't work for two seconds
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:I guess you can always file for and set up an LLC and then "employ" yourself. or maybe just say thats what you did during your time off but dont actually do that, the interviewer aint the tax man on the other hand stumbling your way into setting up a sweet consulting gig for yourself during time off probably wouldnt be the worst thing, so actually do this OP
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if you want to be trendy just call it 'building a startup' or something bada bing bada boomCiaphas posted:yeah, sorry y'all 
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Nov 30, 2018 20:46
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i just want to say that work is bullshit and this thread is testament to that
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Nov 30, 2018 21:18
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lancemantis posted:i just want to say that work is bullshit and this thread is testament to that yes
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Nov 30, 2018 21:44
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you know the thing about unemployed devs? THEYRE CHEAP
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Nov 30, 2018 21:48
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lancemantis posted:i just want to say that work is bullshit and this thread is testament to that yep
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Nov 30, 2018 21:51
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Gazpacho posted:you know the thing about unemployed devs? THEYRE CHEAP the expensive part of hiring is almost always the interviews almost nobody cares what the final cost of employment is, because they're grateful to have found an employee that's why salaries are negotiable to start with
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Nov 30, 2018 21:52
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"almost nobody" except at least one "somebody" who looks after the budget and whose opinion counts for a whole lot!
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Gazpacho posted:"almost nobody" except at least one "somebody" who looks after the budget and whose opinion counts for a whole lot! nope
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