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There is a Simpsons episode where Burns asks Smithers "So what are you doing this weekend? Something gay, undoubtedly?" Smithers looks like he's just about to answer, and Burns says "Gay as in fun, enjoyable, amusing. The old meaning of the word".
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Dec 2, 2018 15:09
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Hattie Masters posted:I interpret it as that he's not so much bisexual as just open to any and all opportunities, including men and women. I'm confused on what you think bisexuality is, even if you were going for the tired "bisexuals hate trans and NB folks" definition
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Dec 2, 2018 15:15
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evobatman posted:There is a Simpsons episode where Burns asks Smithers "So what are you doing this weekend? Something gay, undoubtedly?" Smithers looks like he's just about to answer, and Burns says "Gay as in fun, enjoyable, amusing. The old meaning of the word". Burns's line is, "You know, light-hearted, fancy free? Mothers, lock up your daughters, Smithers is on the town!" so he's not even that aware of how Smithers would have taken his meaning.
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Dec 2, 2018 15:25
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nonathlon posted:
It was a big deal when it happened in Ally McBeal and Friends.
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Dec 2, 2018 15:32
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Danaru posted:I'm confused on what you think bisexuality is, even if you were going for the tired "bisexuals hate trans and NB folks" definition That line also stood out for me. Maybe he's not bisexual, he's just sexually attracted to both women and men???
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Dec 2, 2018 15:32
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mostlygray posted:I agree. I was so excited to see the Roseanne revival. I was able to stomach it until the "make sure to beat your kids" bit. I've been watching "The Conners" but, without a center, it really hasn't found it's feet. I assume it's going to be/already has been cancelled but I think it still has a chance if they can get Goodman to put his back into it. He can't be the center of the show, but the writers should be able to find the center if they try. Ratings are about half what they were with Rosanne, but it’s still pulling in 7 million a night. I don’t think it’ll be canceled this year unless it’s prohibitively expensive to produce. I personally like it better without Rosanne. I always watched it for Dan and the kids anyway.
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Dec 2, 2018 15:56
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Alhazred posted:It was a big deal when it happened in Ally McBeal and Friends. And on Deep Space Nine.
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Dec 2, 2018 16:06
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Samuringa posted:That line also stood out for me. Maybe he's not bisexual, he's just sexually attracted to both women and men??? Bisexuality is a spectrum? A lot of things are on a spectrum.
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Dec 2, 2018 16:51
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CannonFodder posted:"It's called 'romaine-ing the taint'' and involves eating a bag of salad off of someone's rear end. It explains why the kids are getting ecoli infections at an alarming rate." That explains where all the e.coli came from.
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Dec 2, 2018 17:08
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So instead of saying "I'm gay" we should be saying "I'm mostly gay." We really are growing up.
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Dec 2, 2018 17:37
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Mister Kingdom posted:And on Deep Space Nine. Yeah, hard to believe that this got them a ton, a poo poo-ton, of nasty letters even though it was explicitly couched in sci-fi bullshit that a man and a woman were still in love in their two new incredibly, incredibly hot female bodies.  That's how lovely the 90s were, must have been nice to have been completely unaware of it because it didn't affect you 
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Dec 2, 2018 18:58
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Pick posted:Yeah, hard to believe that this got them a ton, a poo poo-ton, of nasty letters even though it was explicitly couched in sci-fi bullshit that a man and a woman were still in love in their two new incredibly, incredibly hot female bodies. I’m watching Babylon 5 for the first time, and there’s what I’m pretty sure is a romance plot between two women, but I can’t actually tell because they speak entirely in ambiguous dialogue and have some platonic reason for moving in together and never touch each other in even a platonic way. The ground that lgbt representation and acceptance has made up in the last 20 years is impressive, considering the backlash feminism and black rights ended up facing by the 80s.
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Dec 2, 2018 19:04
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Samuringa posted:That line also stood out for me. Maybe he's not bisexual, he's just sexually attracted to both women and men??? Poor phrasing and explanation. Bob's sexuality seems to mostly be reactive, as we never see him really persue anyone other than Linda but he's pretty open to whatever. Also I'm pretty sure Bisexuality doesn't quite cover being pretty down for making out with a bull in a wig in a dream so I'm not going to say any more, other than that also the Episodes with Darrel in them haven't aged amazing either due to the fact that Aziz Ansari is now persona non grata
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Dec 2, 2018 19:05
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He’s self described as bobsexual
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Dec 2, 2018 19:07
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:I’m watching Babylon 5 for the first time, and there’s what I’m pretty sure is a romance plot between two women, but I can’t actually tell because they speak entirely in ambiguous dialogue and have some platonic reason for moving in together and never touch each other in even a platonic way. Yes, Ivanova and Talia are in a relationship and that's how loving ambiguous they had to be about it. Also, there's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it line later where two characters are "undercover" and their identities are a married couple. They're both dudes. My only counterpoint is I think we're way, way, way too self-congratulatory about the progress that has been made since. You wouldn't see a bisexual Ivanova handled that way today because she'd fit a ridiculous, weird, socially-accepted cookie cutter version of bisexuality that we've decided is palatable. Same with gay characters, who, among other things, generally have to be stupidly unthreatening and also die very easily.
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Dec 2, 2018 19:09
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Pick posted:Yeah, hard to believe that this got them a ton, a poo poo-ton, of nasty letters even though it was explicitly couched in sci-fi bullshit that a man and a woman were still in love in their two new incredibly, incredibly hot female bodies. I wonder if this was to make up for Dr Crusher not wanting to do the space nasty with the Trill who went from a male host to female one in "The Host"?
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Dec 2, 2018 20:24
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Hattie Masters posted:Poor phrasing and explanation. Bob's sexuality seems to mostly be reactive, as we never see him really persue anyone other than Linda but he's pretty open to whatever. What happened with Aziz Ansari? I must have missed that one.
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Dec 2, 2018 23:21
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Ariong posted:What happened with Aziz Ansari? I must have missed that one. https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355 Len has a new favorite as of 23:27 on Dec 2, 2018 |
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Dec 2, 2018 23:24
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Hattie Masters posted:I will say, on topic, that some of the very early episodes of Bob's Burgers do not hold up when putting them into the context of the later series. Season 2 is where it started to hit its stride in a big way.
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Dec 3, 2018 00:52
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Pick posted:Yes, Ivanova and Talia are in a relationship and that's how loving ambiguous they had to be about it. I liked Lindsay Ellis' explanation of bisexual characters in films as the "Slutty McSlutterson who has to slut it up with everyone because: bi" in her Rent review. Gay people can get away without being all about sex at this point but bi people seemingly can't live without it for a second
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Dec 3, 2018 01:17
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Aesop Poprock posted:I liked Lindsay Ellis' explanation of bisexual characters in films as the "Slutty McSlutterson who has to slut it up with everyone because: bi" in her Rent review. Gay people can get away without being all about sex at this point but bi people seemingly can't live without it for a second Bi identity in media exists in fuckability superposition: if you’re not constantly going after men and women at every moment, you collapse into a boring old gay or straight. You can only be observed properly at the orgy, and then only if there’s a good ratio.
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Dec 3, 2018 02:41
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Bi identity in media exists in fuckability superposition: if you’re not constantly going after men and women at every moment, you collapse into a boring old gay or straight. You can only be observed properly at the orgy, and then only if there’s a good ratio. you don't really even need the 'in media' qualifier; i've seen plenty of bi people get poo poo from other queer people for being in het relationships, it sucks
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Dec 3, 2018 03:33
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Every minority has another minority they like to poo poo on. It's hosed up.
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Dec 3, 2018 03:51
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LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:Every minority has another minority they like to poo poo on. It's hosed up. Sounds like something a Cagot would say. Or wouldnt say, Im not totally sure.
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Dec 3, 2018 03:59
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LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:Every minority has another minority they like to poo poo on. It's hosed up. People who write erotic versions of Star Trek, where all the characters are furries, like Kirk is an ocelot or something, and they put a furry version of themselves as the star of the story. I sometimes wonder if there is a bottom rung to the ladder of society, and I think it might be coprophiliacs.
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Dec 3, 2018 04:47
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LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:Every minority has another minority they like to poo poo on. It's hosed up. Beachcomber posted:I sometimes wonder if there is a bottom rung to the ladder of society, and I think it might be coprophiliacs. Well, luckily they don’t mind.
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Dec 3, 2018 04:57
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Beachcomber posted:People who write erotic versions of Star Trek, where all the characters are furries, like Kirk is an ocelot or something, and they put a furry version of themselves as the star of the story. Thankfully, the nazi variation of every identity is usually reviled by everyone else, so somewhere there’s a basement full of dudes eating poo poo and when nazi ted shows up, they break a pool cue over his head.
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Dec 3, 2018 05:20
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I remember having a pretty disturbing discussion about this with a couple of people I thought were sane and rational. Turns out they weren't. Long story short: The woman's an attention whore, Aziz did nothing wrong, consent can't be withdrawn. And men can't flirt with women without being accused of sexual assault, apparently.
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Dec 3, 2018 05:25
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"Ted, there is no room for racism in this poo poo-eater's circle of coprophiliac contacts. All shades of brown, greenish brown, and reddish brown are equally valid choices to smear on your sex partner regardless of the colour of the anus they came from. I'm sorry, but your white butts only policy is unwelcome and you're going to have to leave."
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Dec 3, 2018 05:25
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Scherloch posted:I remember having a pretty disturbing discussion about this with a couple of people I thought were sane and rational. Turns out they weren't. Long story short: The woman's an attention whore, Aziz did nothing wrong, consent can't be withdrawn. And men can't flirt with women without being accused of sexual assault, apparently. “Consent can’t be withdrawn” what
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Dec 3, 2018 06:44
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Whatev posted:For sure. Once Bob's Burgers gets it together, it's a very sweet and wholesome show in its own way. All the Belchers are good people with good hearts and Bob and Linda are kind, supportive parents. Early episodes tried much harder to be edgy and raunchy and Bob was a kinda lovely guy and Louise was an amoral sociopath. Wasn't there a story about that where the writers talked about how they had to make season 1 all edgelordy like that in order to get renewed past the first season, and once they knew season 2 was a lock, they were able to make the "real" Bob's Burgers?
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Dec 3, 2018 06:59
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Arivia posted:“Consent can’t be withdrawn” what That's the rallying cry of the people who think its a legitimate fear that they will be having sex with a girl and then she says "Hey, get off me" and when they don't immediately back off they'll be jailed for rape. Also the whole "It's not fair to stop when I still want to finish and you already said yes" mentality.
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Dec 3, 2018 07:42
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pentyne posted:
That's just when you do what all women do after sex with these people - go into the bathroom and jerk off.
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Dec 3, 2018 07:46
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BioEnchanted posted:That's just when you do what all women do after sex with these people - go into the bathroom and jerk off. Do I have to do it in the bathroom? All my tools are in the garage.
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Dec 3, 2018 07:56
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Push El Burrito posted:Do I have to do it in the bathroom? All my tools are in the garage. Pfft, lookit this scrub who doesn't have a bathroom in his car-hold.
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Dec 3, 2018 08:03
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the_steve posted:Wasn't there a story about that where the writers talked about how they had to make season 1 all edgelordy like that in order to get renewed past the first season, and once they knew season 2 was a lock, they were able to make the "real" Bob's Burgers? I don't really know Bob's Burgers, but what I do know is that the first pitch for the show to Fox was that the Belchers were actually cannibals. The show's creator was a little too used to working with Adult Swim and had to learn to tone that down, and I wouldn't be surprised if that took a few seasons to completely happen for him.
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Dec 3, 2018 09:21
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Cleretic posted:I don't really know Bob's Burgers, but what I do know is that the first pitch for the show to Fox was that the Belchers were actually cannibals. The show's creator was a little too used to working with Adult Swim and had to learn to tone that down, and I wouldn't be surprised if that took a few seasons to completely happen for him. If anything the show is like super clean for modern adult cartoon comedy in a heartwarming way, is that story a real thing?
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Dec 3, 2018 09:31
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Aesop Poprock posted:If anything the show is like super clean for modern adult cartoon comedy in a heartwarming way, is that story a real thing? Oh yes Loren Bouchard posted:There was a brief period when I first started talking to them—because I was coming off of doing Lucy: Daughter Of The Devil and I had this kind of more occult-y, sort of darker edge to the way I was thinking then—I did pitch the show [as] a family of cannibals who runs a restaurant. There’s sort of a Sweeney Todd aspect to it. They basically said “everything but the cannibalism,” and that included the cast.
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Dec 3, 2018 09:37
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Cool. Isn't the first episode about the restaurant being suspected of being cannibals?
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Dec 3, 2018 09:41
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Winklebottom posted:Oh yes Hahaha I'm glad they kept the darker tones but yeah that doesn't sound like it would have worked as well
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