Murmur Twin posted:

On a re-read this feels like a fake thought process.

Nat20 believed that Yami's "I was recruited" was real...so he's scum? Why? What about that is scummy?

Jimmy made a D1 vote and that's "seems REALLY eager to kill people"? I don't believe that's a real conclusion that someone would actually come to.

I don't believe that someone would actually use "I'm going to fakeclaim being dayrecruited d1 and catch scum that way". It sounds more like a fake scum case to me.


I know Bif said this earlier but why unvote instead of leaving a vote on whichever of Nat/Jimmy/whoever else Yami found more suspicious?

I also have to go to bed soon, right now I feel b- and Yami for scum and my preference would be one of them. I see the merit in the imgay vote but right now my gut does lean town on him. I should be around for like another 30 minutes.

Murmur Twin posted:

imgay posted:

create something you have fun with

imgay posted:

anywawys looks like lynch is gonna be b-minus so lets get some more votes on em

Natural 20 posted:

Wait wait wait

The ULTIMATE LIFEFORM?

Kitiara posted:

Since my post, you should have had a good number of hours to come in the game and try to help us catch scum. Since then you've come on and posted 3 joke posts, a couple of unrelated posts and a response to my question (which was appreciated). So I think Natural 20 is my second pick for scum.

Also, I'd like to point out that yes I am suss about Rhjamiz too, but he should be a free lynch tomorrow.

I'll also agree with MMT that Solus vote on b- was weird. It seemed like trying to get momentum going on b- and away from imgay.

Kitiara posted:

Since my post, you should have had a good number of hours to come in the game and try to help us catch scum. Since then you've come on and posted 3 joke posts, a couple of unrelated posts and a response to my question (which was appreciated). So I think Natural 20 is my second pick for scum.

Also, I'd like to point out that yes I am suss about Rhjamiz too, but he should be a free lynch tomorrow.

I'll also agree with MMT that Solus vote on b- was weird. It seemed like trying to get momentum going on b- and away from imgay.

Natural 20 posted:

I mean it's D1 so forgive me for not wall of texting based on nothingposts from most people. I'm not running with my casefile this game so I'm not judging people relative to their meta posting either.

What I do find interesting is you wrongly stating what the lurker lunch rule is.

Yami Fenrir posted:

This is a fair assessment. I'm still not entirely sold on it, due to tone issues. It may be due to the PR, however. Going to keep an eye on bif, but willing to let it go for now.

##unvote

Going to have to go to sleep soon, so I will not be around at deadline.

King Burgundy posted:

I don't want to give anyone any excuse to not cuddle imgay today. People will always latch on to any real suspicions over policy votes.

But I don't have anything solid, so I guess it can't hurt.

I'm suspicious of Bminus mostly because of MMT's suspicion. I'm suspicious of our lurker folks for various reasons and because I'm inherently suspect of lurkers. (Jimmy because he seemed so earnest and towny and full of posts in a recent game, but no sign of that here. Nat20 because he is a smart player with a lot of thoughts but I'm seeing none of that in thread here, maybe because he is talking those thoughts out in scum chat. And Rhj, because he's doing nothing, and that is an easy way to skate through games, but I have no meta on them. Looking at the player list, I'm seeing pera here now too, which is a change since I last had this thought. I dunno that that says much for her on d1, but it is bothersome.)

I'm a bit suspicious of Yami since his tone came off grumpy in a post or two that I felt weren't justified from a town Yami. I've seen him grumpy/angry before as town and this felt different. I'm bothered tremendously by Bif's tone in all of her posts. It seems REALLY fake and bad. But yeah, PR, so, I'm not sure how I'm going to read her this game. I think Solus's defense of imgay is suspicious and unjustified, but in his defense I've seen him do that as town. I thought Hum's defense of imgay and walk back was crazy scummy, but he's not able to be voted.

There you go, I'm at least mildly suspicious of half the thread.

imgay posted:

I bite people at night and turn them in vampires and everyone knows vampires are afraid of the sun. However if I find a certain object at night I will become the ultimate lifeforms and gain immunity to sunlight.

Natural 20 posted:

Wait wait wait

The ULTIMATE LIFEFORM?

Natural 20 posted:

Because if you're going to turn into a giant lizard/space station then I'm keeping my vote on you.

Natural 20 posted:

Yeah I'm not moving my vote. Flavour and role don't determine alignment, Asiina does and I imagine she wouldn't have been able to help herself with some stuff.

SalTheBard posted:

I've been at work today and good content has been posted from what I skimmed. Give me a few to catch up and decide how I want to vote.

Kitiara posted:

quote:

- You say "at exclusion of all else", but do not highlight what is exactly the "all else?". Where's the solid case we should be focusing on instead of imgay?

quote:

- Town reads on Jimmy, bif and MMT. MMT I can see, and bif I can sort of understand due to your follow up post (not this one), but Jimmy has barely posted in the game. Care to clarify?

quote:

- You ask us to have a look at Pera and then drop it quickly and only push for me.

quote:

- You say "I am suspect of people who are staying on that to the exclusion of all else and would like comments from those currently voting him: b-, KB, nat20, chaoslord, and Kit.", but then say:


conveniently dropping Natural 20 (who seems more and more scum to me), CL and KB.

quote:

If I was manufacturing my posts, I would not be jimping around on opinions.

jimmydalad posted:

I’m not 100% sure who to vote for. I’d be suspicious of Kit flossing over Rha while focusing on lurkers like myself or Nat20 but I find it unreasonable for scum to come out swinging as early as she did on imgay. While imgay is pretty unanimously seen as an easy patsy, putting herself out like she did alongside doing so while still in what was primarily the jokephase draws a lot of attention that scum wouldn’t want on them, especially if they’re trying to get rid of an easy target. That, alongside the fact that if she was scum, she’s the type of player who’d run most of not all her posts with her scum team by posting and I’m pretty sure they’d tell her not to do the things she is doing like being loud and drawing attention to herself.

I can see the policy vote with imgay, but I’m not a massive fan of it. A lynch is better than no lynch, but Imgay hasn’t really given me a reason to see them as scum. More like a trolly townie.

jimmydalad posted:

I'm in agreement with what Murmur says. I can't really see imgay being scummy & I've already mentioned how leery I was with regards to how quickly b- got traction after MMT made her original post. I'm happy to keep my vote on Yami for now.

jimmydalad posted:

One way to find out~ ##vote yami

Kitiara posted:

I think this is a good point. I have learned (most recently from that Verge game) that 3P is very dangerous to have around. They're upping the kill range every day and making the game end a lot faster, which only benefits scum. So although imgay's role seemed more 3P than scum, the vampire aspect of it felt scummy to me too. So from my perspective, imgay is not town... he's either 3P or scum and given that I don't have any information on any other player so far (this is day 1 remember), then I am happy to lynch him.

chaoslord posted:

Pod, starting with pera because she has the least posts of those 3.

IDK, seems like typical d1 crap posting. I haven't played many games with pera but this seems like how she always plays early to me?

I don't see scum

chaoslord posted:

So before I started reading b- I wanted to read the votes on him and this vote


Doesn't sit well with me.

The reason solus is voting b- is
1) MMT Tunneling has worked in the past
2) He doesn't think Sal is scum.
3) It's possible that b- is just jumping onto what huma said.

Point 1 is bad, point 2 is "ok but why does that make b- scum?", and point 3 is weird because it looks like he thinks humalong is not a part of the game and that this is imgays doing somehow? I don't think imgay did anything close to claiming responsibility to humalong did he? And humalong had already talked about his role previous to this post so this looks like someone just stretching around to justify jumping on a vote.

chaoslord posted:

This is the post that Murmur made the b- case on.

Her case is


For (a), they have played in 1 game since then, and votefinder reports 100 post mafia as being a second because Kash put sal as a dead player instead of a spectator.

For it to be a scum thing, b- would have to have been lying on purpose, which feeds into her b point. I don't think b- is intentionally lying here, I think it is more likely he is mistaken, so I don't think this is scummy. There's nothing really else to talk about with b-'s post history.

So don't see this either, Pod.

chaoslord posted:

Pod I got distracted by football and building a bookshelf and am about reading kit right now because it’s not a lunch that will happen today but her missing that you were talking to me and the 3p hunting were weird I’ll say that for sure

Podima posted:

Town read on Kit and imgay is fine and good, but who do you think is scum?


Hold on. This was your original vote on Yami:


Which is, in context, a joke vote on Yami for claiming miller.

Why are you transforming a joke vote into a real vote with no context or rationale?

##unvote ##vote Jimmy

Podima posted:

ehhhhhhhh I really dislike the refusal to engage with the game full stop and am not willing to excuse people for it regardless of "how they always are."

Podima posted:

ehhhhhhhh I really dislike the refusal to engage with the game full stop and am not willing to excuse people for it regardless of "how they always are." Also the "joke vote" at RF was clearly contrived since it was part of the same reaction-post to his self-vigging.

jimmydalad posted:

My rationale is that out of the three of imgay, b- and Yami, I found yami to be the most suspicious. I agreed with what MMT had to say with regards to him and so what originally was a joke vote changed into an actual vote for him. It’s not like I went out of my way to try and mould the joke vote into something serious. I agreed with what MMT said made Yami look suspicious and I’m more comfortable throwing my vote that way than b- or imgay.

Going to sleep now cause I have work tomorrow.

King Burgundy posted:

Great, so let's not excuse imgay, who almost never really engages, and certainly hasn't in any real way this game either.

Podima posted:

Thank you again for taking the time to respond!

jimmydalad posted:

My rationale is that out of the three of imgay, b- and Yami, I found yami to be the most suspicious. I agreed with what MMT had to say with regards to him and so what originally was a joke vote changed into an actual vote for him. It’s not like I went out of my way to try and mould the joke vote into something serious. I agreed with what MMT said made Yami look suspicious and I’m more comfortable throwing my vote that way than b- or imgay.

Going to sleep now cause I have work tomorrow.

King Burgundy posted:

Great, so let's not excuse imgay, who almost never really engages, and certainly hasn't in any real way this game either.

chaoslord posted:

Sure, this is fair, but I’m at least expecting pera will pick up and make cases as the game goes on. Maybe I am wrong but that’s what I have in my head for her meta. Which is more than I can say for other players, such as the one you keep giving me stick for voting

Kitiara posted:

Dude. We’re 2 hrs from deadline and you’re placing a vote on yami who has 0 other votes. We need to endure a no lunch.

This response seems completely unlike I’ve seen from town Jimmy. You’re either scum or are playing a different style of game, and although I can’t tell which it is; I’m currently leaning scum.

imgay posted:

what the heck this mean ive replied to a ton of people today

imgay posted:

what the heck this mean ive replied to a ton of people today

King Burgundy posted:

I thought about replying to this seriously and combing through your post history to make my point, but then realized I'd have to mouse over every one of your posts. So nope.

Podima posted:

I disagree with this pretty firmly, actually - jumping around on opinions and seeing what sticks is a pretty scummy thing to do! That being said, I acknowledge that that could be your style and I'm unused to it. Given that others don't seem to share the same suspicion, I'll take a step back and reevaluate. Thank you again for taking the time to respond!

jimmydalad posted:

I’m gonna add one more thing as a reason for why not to vote imgay. If he lynches and flips town, we learn next to nothing with regards for scum motivations during gameplay. Due to his reputation, a lot of reasoning could easily be swept under a “I don’t want what has happened in previous games to happen in this game” or “Imgay is inherently anti-town and he’ll just drag us down”. He’s a really good patsy because it’s very hard to come up with motivations for ousting him outside of trying to push the vote onto a townie. It’ll be very hard to lock a scum member down based on the vote alone and considering we’ve already lost two town members, we need as much information as we can get.

jimmydalad posted:

I’m gonna add one more thing as a reason for why not to vote imgay. If he lynches and flips town, we learn next to nothing with regards for scum motivations during gameplay. Due to his reputation, a lot of reasoning could easily be swept under a “I don’t want what has happened in previous games to happen in this game” or “Imgay is inherently anti-town and he’ll just drag us down”. He’s a really good patsy because it’s very hard to come up with motivations for ousting him outside of trying to push the vote onto a townie. It’ll be very hard to lock a scum member down based on the vote alone and considering we’ve already lost two town members, we need as much information as we can get.

Kitiara posted:

I forgot to comment that I feel that this is entirely fair and something that I hadn't considered. Thank you for phrasing it that way.

As scum, I used to a. post less b. read my posts a lot (as well as previous post to ensure they were consistent) and c. run the posts by my scum buddies. I assumed that was natural scum behaviour and posting a lot without giving your post thoughts was the townie thing to do. I'll try to moderate myself and be better, but I'm generally very scattered brained so I can't promise total consistency.

Podima posted:

Okay but it's less than 3 hours to deadline and you have your vote on someone else that only I've voted. If you won't vote imgay, who else will you vote?

Podima posted:

Where you at, Sal? You still have a jokevote down.