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feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

foreigners get hella smug about American living conditions because they see poo poo in the news

that poo poo is genuinely horrifying, but it happens to average Americans, not overpaid computer dweebs

working a software job means money and comfort and safety, rivaling or exceeding conditions in every other country on earth

Yeah let me tell you about the time a decade ago I was unemployed from my junior level job going under thanks to corporate bankruptcy and my diabetic wife was living off free samples of insulin from her doctor because we had no insurance.

The entire software industry is not your fancy rear end job in NYC fintech and you should probably acknowledge that.

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CRIP EATIN BREAD
Jun 24, 2002

Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T



Soiled Meat
first interview I gave I brought in the applicants
mother tied to a chair, handed them a gun, and then told them they “weren’t what we were looking for” when they questioned shooting her

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

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feedmegin posted:

Yeah let me tell you about the time a decade ago I was unemployed from my junior level job going under thanks to corporate bankruptcy and my diabetic wife was living off free samples of insulin from her doctor because we had no insurance.

The entire software industry is not your fancy rear end job in NYC fintech and you should probably acknowledge that.

that would run counter to his gimmick though

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



feedmegin posted:

The downside is that someone who is good at their job (which is rare) works for your competitor, not you. Sorry if this isn't enough incentive for you.

yeah why should i gaf what happens to my employer. does my employer gaf what happens to me

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



feedmegin posted:

Yeah let me tell you about the time a decade ago I was unemployed from my junior level job going under thanks to corporate bankruptcy and my diabetic wife was living off free samples of insulin from her doctor because we had no insurance.

The entire software industry is not your fancy rear end job in NYC fintech and you should probably acknowledge that.

unemployed computer touchers in the usa are just as hosed as any other unemployed ur not making nbsd wrong here

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

feedmegin posted:

Yeah let me tell you about the time a decade ago I was unemployed from my junior level job going under thanks to corporate bankruptcy and my diabetic wife was living off free samples of insulin from her doctor because we had no insurance.

cobra was passed in 1985, son

if you failed to avail yourself of your legally guaranteed benefits in 2008, idk what to tell you

feedmegin posted:

The entire software industry is not your fancy rear end job in NYC fintech and you should probably acknowledge that.

first, i don't work in fintech. secondly, the entire software industry is made up of people making multiples of the median wage in america

even relatively lovely software jobs in 3rd-rate shithole employment markets pay better, have better benefits, and easier living than the jobs that average americans hold

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

unemployed computer touchers in the usa are just as hosed as any other unemployed ur not making nbsd wrong here

higher unemployment benefits, an almost permanently tighter job market (with one notable dry spell), and deeper pockets certainly make a difference

do you seriously believe that losing your $80k/year software job is at all the same as losing a $10/hour factory job in rural kentucky

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

cobra was passed in 1985, son
cobra lets you keep buying in to your previous employers health plan after you get let go

if your previous employer shuts down, theres no health plan for you to cobra into

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

FMguru posted:

if your previous employer shuts down, theres no health plan for you to cobra into

that's only possible if your previous employer liquidates -- i.e. chapter 7

it happens, but it's extraordinarily rare

most failing companies go through chapter 11 and/or sell themselves to more successful competitors. both outcomes mean cobra still works

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
i am really shocked at how much pushback i am getting on the general thesis of "computer touchers have it good"

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



Notorious b.s.d. posted:

higher unemployment benefits, an almost permanently tighter job market (with one notable dry spell), and deeper pockets certainly make a difference

do you seriously believe that losing your $80k/year software job is at all the same as losing a $10/hour factory job in rural kentucky

naw now you're talking specifics and asserting they apply generally. how hosed you are if you get fired is extremely situational

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

naw now you're talking specifics and asserting they apply generally. how hosed you are if you get fired is extremely situational

yeah, well, however "situational" it is, it's a lot easier to get fired from a high paying job with full benefits than a low-paying job with none

every time

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



like seriously :psyduck:

when i was on the phones i coulda gotten fired and had a job a week later paying at least 80% what i was making before. now, i can expect to spend at least a month but maybe 6 months+ going through hiring pipelines while waiting for my unemployment benefit of 15% of base pay to kick in. how hosed would i have been then, how hosed would i be now, you still have nfk

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

like seriously :psyduck:

when i was on the phones i coulda gotten fired and had a job a week later paying at least 80% what i was making before. now, i can expect to spend at least a month but maybe 6 months+ going through hiring pipelines while waiting for my unemployment benefit of 15% of base pay to kick in. how hosed would i have been then, how hosed would i be now, you still have nfk

if you have been working in software for a couple years and you don't have the savings to support a six month dry spell, i don't know what to tell you

can't fix stupid

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



Notorious b.s.d. posted:

if you have been working in software for a couple years and you don't have the savings to support a six month dry spell, i don't know what to tell you

can't fix stupid

gently caress you too

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



lollin a little too cause i would've been hosed a lot worse back then eatin beans and rice 3x a day hopin my parents send me new pants for christmas if my pay got cut 20% and now id just sit on my dick playin fallout for a year, but yknow

thats due to the specifics of my respective situations and poo poo you didnt know

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i am really shocked at how much pushback i am getting on the general thesis of "computer touchers have it good"

"computer touchers generally have it good" and "no computer toucher should ever have any reason to struggle" are not the same claims

also cobra exists but it ain't cheap

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



last cobra letter i got said i could have my lovely hdhp for the low low price of $1500 a month. before that was an actually decent plan with copays and a maximum out of pocket that would have made healthcare affordable when i was on the phones, if premiums were 0. $3300 a month on cobra

every time i get a cobra letter the reaction is the same. who is buying cobra coverage. are they on a respirator or some poo poo

skimothy milkerson
Nov 19, 2006

Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

lollin a little too cause i would've been hosed a lot worse back then eatin beans and rice 3x a day hopin my parents send me new pants for christmas if my pay got cut 20% and now id just sit on my dick playin fallout for a year, but yknow

thats due to the specifics of my respective situations and poo poo you didnt know

oh the P.E. stands for pants engineer

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.
love to pay $900/mo for cobra. at least my state is good and was able to get myself state healthcare for free, paying the $3 for an ambulance ride would’ve been tough though.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

last cobra letter i got said i could have my lovely hdhp for the low low price of $1500 a month. before that was an actually decent plan with copays and a maximum out of pocket that would have made healthcare affordable when i was on the phones, if premiums were 0. $3300 a month on cobra

every time i get a cobra letter the reaction is the same. who is buying cobra coverage. are they on a respirator or some poo poo
as far as I can tell, cobra is good for one thing only - if youre in the middle of some complicated, expensive medical procedure like chemotherapy or (this is a big one) pregnancy

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.
yeah it’s a huge scam and pretending like it’s some sort of safety net for unemployed people is hilariously stupid

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



summer children

remember before aca? pre-existing conditions?

get fired for cancer and without cobra no one will pay for your chemo until after your dead

still a huge scam, just used to be a safety net as well

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


I mean spending all your savings you've built up for the past 2 years in a six month dry spell also sucks balls too

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
now that private insurance markets are drying up and blowing away cobra is relevant again

Spime Wrangler
Feb 23, 2003

Because we can.

there are a billion different ways to fall through the cracks in america unless you have capital-c Capital

80k a year is hella better than hourly work in a lot of ways but to poo poo on anyone who works for a living for having a hard time between jobs is a dick move. congrats on being comfortable, but there’s a lot of people pretty similar to you who aren’t for no fault of their own.

CRIP EATIN BREAD
Jun 24, 2002

Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T



Soiled Meat

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i am really shocked at how much pushback i am getting on the general thesis of "computer touchers have it good"

well a lot of yosposters are broke-brained losers who never had a computer toucher job in the first place.

its sort of sad that this was the subforum they picked, but here we are

elite_garbage_man
Apr 3, 2010
I THINK THAT "PRIMA DONNA" IS "PRE-MADONNA". I MAY BE ILLITERATE.
One of the coding challenges I took had 2 test cases. One was 5 lines with the result, the next a 30mb file and had no expected output

only 1 submission allowed

is this tdd?

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

well a lot of yosposters are broke-brained losers who never had a computer toucher job in the first place.

its sort of sad that this was the subforum they picked, but here we are

judging from the stories on this page a lot of the computer touchers are not very good at living within their means, but that's more of a bfc topic than yospos

being a computer toucher in america is a really, really, really good spot. as good as the working man has ever had it. be glad for what little you got

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

elite_garbage_man posted:

One of the coding challenges I took had 2 test cases. One was 5 lines with the result, the next a 30mb file and had no expected output

only 1 submission allowed

is this tdd?

sounds fine to me

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde

fritz posted:

the deeper we get into this eternal 2018 the more i think an old boss of mine was right about never even interviewing stanford graduates
i dont think lance's stanford remark was intended as a literal quote from the interview

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

fritz posted:

the deeper we get into this eternal 2018 the more i think an old boss of mine was right about never even interviewing stanford graduates

one of the hardest lessons for me to learn moving to the east coast is that the graduates of harvard, yale, penn, et al are exactly the same as the graduates of regional prestige universities

i.e. mostly garbage. just like everyone else, but with rich parents, and an inflated self-opinion and some cool branded merchandise

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE
all people are trying to say is, if you lived somewhere that wasn't so relentlessly hell-bent on loving unfortunate people, you wouldn't have to worry so much, even if you didn't get quite as much money to take home

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

last cobra letter i got said i could have my lovely hdhp for the low low price of $1500 a month. before that was an actually decent plan with copays and a maximum out of pocket that would have made healthcare affordable when i was on the phones, if premiums were 0. $3300 a month on cobra

every time i get a cobra letter the reaction is the same. who is buying cobra coverage. are they on a respirator or some poo poo

Yeah it was basically this. You can be reasonably well paid as a junior software engineer and still get hosed out the rear end on healthcare in the US if you become unemployed. I'm surprised this is even remotely controversial. The fact that it's even worse if you were a steelworker or something is pretty cold loving comfort if you have a dependent with a medical condition.

Edit: in more 'the world isn't NYC' news lol at getting paid 80k as a junior in most of the US btw.

feedmegin fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Dec 3, 2018

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015

TheFluff posted:

all people are trying to say is, if you lived somewhere that wasn't so relentlessly hell-bent on loving unfortunate people, you wouldn't have to worry so much, even if you didn't get quite as much money to take home

but that's socialism!

TimWinter
Mar 30, 2015

https://timsthebomb.com

CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

never show any weakness during an interview or I will loving eat you

*Listening intently, nodding, taking notes*

How do you feel about quote unquote "loyalty tests"?

TimWinter
Mar 30, 2015

https://timsthebomb.com
We're just starting interviews for Tim Winter's Bombastic Tech Productivity Cult, and I was hoping to get some pointers. It's like a typical farm in the hills cult, but obviously we write code instead of making apple cider, and most of the religious components are replaced with scrum.

Any interviewing tips or advice what kind of candidates to look for? Positions are open at all levels (we replaced our furnace with a block chain "proof of heat" generator and secured funding almost immediately).

CRIP EATIN BREAD
Jun 24, 2002

Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T



Soiled Meat
Sometimes I set up a real Monty Hall problem but behind the door they choose is a pit of snakes where they are immediately pushed down into.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
this guy got pretty good results with his interview technique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCXbib9MahE

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

one of the hardest lessons for me to learn moving to the east coast is that the graduates of harvard, yale, penn, et al are exactly the same as the graduates of regional prestige universities

i.e. mostly garbage. just like everyone else, but with rich parents, and an inflated self-opinion and some cool branded merchandise

i went to plutocrat school

the key is to figure out if their parents are rich and bin the resume if the answer is yes

one kid i knew had a site describing her horse farm that her uncle paid for

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