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BTW here is the #1 problem I'm facing in a job search: My resume doesn't show experience with the current "it" technologies used in IT. They're just not there. React? Angular? nope. I made a gradual progression from CGI to Perl page templates to jQuery to a maintaining a horribly demented Backbone application. Spring? No, I used straight J2EE, then WCF, then Amazon's internal poo poo, then straight J2EE again, then (briefly) a thing called Dropwizard that nobody's heard of. modern Hibernate? Barely. I used MS entity framework, then Amazon's homegrown prepared statement framework, then legacy XML-based Hibernate that I've mostly forgotten and wouldn't be relevant now anyway. Microservices? No, I know how to put together a docker image but I haven't done it specifically for a microservice. NoSQL? No sir. and that's pretty much how every recruiting call goes bob dobbs is dead posted:you did your masters 13 years ago, nobody gives a poo poo about coursework or gpa for either it or your undergrad. bam, down to 2 pages Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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the majority of most tech companies remains boring blub crud, whatever stupid-rear end lang they do it in if you really need to, do a side project (you don't need to) your specific problem with your specific resume is that it sucks balls. what has been your callback ratio on a resume sendout? are you doing warm touch things?
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Gazpacho posted:
is your problem getting interviews or converting interviews into offers? either way, my advice: - remove your summary, you think it's saying something but it's really not. similarly with the italicized words and technologies you listed at the top - get your resume down to one page. saying things like "participated in agile planning and development" is fluff -- you are just saying you did your job. call out the most interesting things about your jobs, the things that not every other developer in the world is doing - be more specific with your bullet points. "implemented product features" means absolutely nothing - i don't really get this format where you say half the things you did in paragraph format and half the things you did with bullet points - if you are having trouble getting your resume down to one page, you don't really have to list school courses you took in 1997 Pie Colony fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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Dec 6, 2018 06:28
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if you werent doing warm contacts and were sending out your resume we have basically comprehensively explained why your job search sucks so much the weirdo techs is basically a small and insignificant part of it. legions of peeps write blub code in java all day erryday. your resume just sucks
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Gazpacho posted:BTW here is the #1 problem I'm facing in a job search: My resume doesn't show experience with the current "it" technologies used in IT. They're just not there. try em out a bit, just enough that you can carry a 5 minute conversation describing how they superficially differ from the things you have more experience with like "spring? yeah i played around with it a bit, at work we're currently using foo which is similar, with the difference being that you need to bar before you baz" it can look impressive to already have a basic understanding of a broad set of tools even if you lack in-depth knowledge for most of them also if nobody youve talked to has even heard of dropwizard then lol maybe youre better off not working there
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Dec 6, 2018 06:32
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i think that resume could say "look at all this poo poo ive done holy poo poo. u need something done im gonna skill up and knock it out". instead its like 
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Dec 6, 2018 06:36
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post the next iteration whenever you have it
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the version of my resume that actually gets callbacks covers maaaaybe 1/4 of the time i've spent working. no "implemented features" just cool poo poo i'm proud of and can talk your ear off about five years later. cause the point isn't to tell people about what you did, right, it's to get them thinking about what you could be doing for them
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the purpose of the summary blurb (and to some extent, other passages) is pack in fluff phrases that tend to appear in job descriptions and increase rankings in an automated matching system. whether it's effective at that, I can't say
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Dec 6, 2018 06:40
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oh you just use maven? i apply maven build technology  (just joking, i think you have a lot of experience and pretty smart, guy, but yeah you should be more direct with your language)
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:the version of my resume that actually gets callbacks covers maaaaybe 1/4 of the time i've spent working. no "implemented features" just cool poo poo i'm proud of and can talk your ear off about five years later. cause the point isn't to tell people about what you did, right, it's to get them thinking about what you could be doing for them
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Dec 6, 2018 06:41
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Gazpacho posted:the purpose of the summary blurb is pack in fluff phrases that tend to appear in job descriptions and increase rankings in an automated matching system. whether it's effective at that, I can't say i have never seen the internals of recruiting software, but i promise you it's not looking for "highly productive guy working independently and collaborating." just remove it
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Gazpacho posted:the purpose of the summary blurb is pack in fluff phrases that tend to appear in job descriptions and increase rankings in an automated matching system. whether it's effective at that, I can't say the matching systems use tdidf and normalize and poo poo, it doesnt help that much. they certainly don't look for idiot doesntmeananything buzzwords resume is an advertising document. you are currently doing high-touch sales. make it an advertising document
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Gazpacho posted:what do i do if i put all my career eggs in software dev and can't get a job Then, you are hosed
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Dec 6, 2018 06:51
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the other thing is ageism. you could ditch entirely most of the previous jobs and do the "rest of professional experience available on request" and ditch the graduation years and do depressingly better
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Gazpacho posted:the purpose of the summary blurb (and to some extent, other passages) is pack in fluff phrases that tend to appear in job descriptions and increase rankings in an automated matching system. whether it’s effective at that, I can’t say given the amount of bitching you do about how no one wants to hire you, I think you can say
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jit bull transpile posted:given the amount of bitching you do about how no one wants to hire you, I think you can say i still have the aforementioned coding project through this week, i won't be able to revise the resume until after that Pie Colony posted:- be more specific with your bullet points. "implemented product features" means absolutely nothing Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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Dec 6, 2018 07:13
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the message your resume sends is “this guy is full of poo poo.” it has nothing to do with lacking “it” technologies. I’m not trying to be a dick but that resume is actively working against you. it’s not “needs improvement,” it’s “makes you look terrible and I’d throw it away unless the pipeline was totally empty.”
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Dec 6, 2018 07:53
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ADINSX posted:Just remember that there are way easier interview processes out there and while working for Google may be appealing, you'll be able to find something if you keep at it. thanks for this. helps to hear it with someone your brain can't apply anxiety thoughts to. i think i'm going to tune up the resume, post it here and do another pass, and shotgun apply afterwords.
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Anyone got some good resume templates for developers? re: summaries i have a "Highlights" section up front. as someone that reads a lot of resumes during hiring i kinda like them, if their summary sucks i bin the resume. i also put in soft-skills there, which is something i look for with senior/lead positions and rarely comes out in the work experience section then again maybe i like summaries because i get so many resumes that are more than 2 pages (and i NEVER read past page 2) i guess a case could be made that you're repeating your cover letter with one, but do people even do cover letters anymore? the resumes that get passed to me for review never have them
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Gazpacho posted:
Here I hooked you up with my LaTeX template, and rewrote poo poo so it fits a single page with what you did and provided. The keywords are at the top so they match, but people can read what you did and provided and then drive the rest through questions. You worked at Amazon and MS, so displaying that in big is not gonna hurt anyway. https://ferd.ca/cv/gazpacho.pdf I've put the source of the template in a gist for you https://gist.github.com/ferd/0c3bd6cb4059ff723056cedbcd258b04 E: one thing that might look good is to find any way where you might have gotten a bit higher in ranking over the years. Right now all the jobs are flat software eng., so if one of them was more junior or senior than the others (or that you mentioned any kind of leadership position as long as it's real) then it should help show progression as well. MononcQc fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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Cold on a Cob posted:Anyone got some good resume templates for developers?
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Cold on a Cob posted:Anyone got some good resume templates for developers? heres mine https://pastebin.com/eFUk2zps it gets me about 40-75% callbacks depending on how well i target i get surprisingly good responses to the "i have shipped, for money" bit note my real name is ostentatiously foreign so that "US Citizen" bit (which is illegal to ask for but not illegal to provide lol) bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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MononcQc posted:Here I hooked you up with my LaTeX template, and rewrote poo poo so it fits a single page with what you did and provided. The keywords are at the top so they match, but people can read what you did and provided and then drive the rest through questions. You worked at Amazon and MS, so displaying that in big is not gonna hurt anyway. this is much, much better. use this.
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MononcQc posted:Here I hooked you up with my LaTeX template, and rewrote poo poo so it fits a single page with what you did and provided. The keywords are at the top so they match, but people can read what you did and provided and then drive the rest through questions. You worked at Amazon and MS, so displaying that in big is not gonna hurt anyway. This is neat, most important data front and center.
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Chalks posted:A friend recently got a job at deep mind and the interview process sounded absolutely terrible, went on and on forever Deep mind where? I'm actually going through the process with them currently and it's been pretty good. Had my first hangout interview 4 days after putting in my CV and the 3rd interview is on site so the whole process will only have taken about 2 weeks. I wanted to ask some advice in this thread as it's my first time going through this as I'm a clinician so the process is pretty alien to me. I've looked up the people scheduled to interview me and read some of their work to prepare as well as writing down some questions to ask (including the ones from the OP). There's no HR person scheduled so when does the discussion of compensation come up? Is this something that would be brought up only if an offer is made or should I talk about it with one of the program managers I'm meeting?
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Deep mind where? after offer letter comes, you balk politely and ask for more poo poo e: try reeeeeal hard not to say a number first https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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somehow the non-profit healthcare place i've interviewed twice at hasn't asked for a number yet must be a sign of what's to come 
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kloa posted:non-profit you bout to be screwed friendo
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non-profits offer decent benefits (sometimes) and generous time-off allowances what they dont offer are market rate salaries
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their pto, according to glassdoor, has everyone starting out with 6 weeks off per year, so that's worth something at least  i was hoping since they weren't for-profit, that they'd invest in their employees, but i guess that's too much to expect these days
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lol non-profit doesn't mean they don't make profits nor that they aren't profit focused
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bob dobbs is dead posted:after offer letter comes, you balk politely and ask for more poo poo Awesome I will give that a read.
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MononcQc posted:Here I hooked you up with my LaTeX template, and rewrote poo poo so it fits a single page with what you did and provided. The keywords are at the top so they match, but people can read what you did and provided and then drive the rest through questions. You worked at Amazon and MS, so displaying that in big is not gonna hurt anyway. gazpacho if you use this resume you must buy a copy of lyse. new, not used
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Shaggar posted:lol non-profit doesn't mean they don't make profits nor that they aren't profit focused
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jesus WEP posted:most for-profit corporations seethe with envy at the corruption the likes of fifa and the ioc can get away with a large part of that sort of corruption is turbofuckin their employees
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:gazpacho if you use this resume you must buy a copy of lyse. new, not used you can buy a copy of my newer book instead, it gives me a bit more every time as well (https://propertesting.com)
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so i guess I passed a technical phone screen well enough that they want to have an onsite. it includes something called an OO design exercise. the only vaguely object oriented programming language i have ever used is javascript. time to learn object oriented design i guess.
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jesus WEP posted:most for-profit corporations seethe with envy at the corruption the likes of fifa and the ioc can get away with that's a euro thing more than a non-profit thing
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bob dobbs is dead posted:a large part of that sort of corruption is turbofuckin their employees nah if you're loving your employees it gives them reasons to snitch. you want to keep them close and happy.
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