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Squiggle posted:BOOOOO HISSSSSS I thought this was a feature. 
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There are transporter doors at the traders now!
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Dec 7, 2018 01:36
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There's a mod now that will target the nearest signal on stations when you flip in to scan mode. https://www.nexusmods.com/x4foundations/mods/51 It's super nice, imo. big nipples big life posted:There are transporter doors at the traders now! This is also pretty great.
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Dec 7, 2018 03:32
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Not sure what my explorer did here
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Dec 7, 2018 03:50
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Captains exploring just plain doesn't work yet.
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Dec 7, 2018 03:53
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At this rate, how long do y'all estimate it will take before the game is good with no asterisk
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Dec 7, 2018 04:08
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Google Butt posted:At this rate, how long do y'all estimate it will take before the game is good with no asterisk Depends on your tolerance level for poorly described mechanics and jank. For anyone whose played an X game before and enjoyed them this game is pretty great right now. In a few months time (along with promised DLC) this could be the X game everyone was hoping for.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Not sure what my explorer did here Oh poo poo, I found my explorer.  He's not in Pious Mists.
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Dec 7, 2018 04:16
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Google Butt posted:At this rate, how long do y'all estimate it will take before the game is good with no asterisk Once they get wars working the game will mostly be there since that will help the economy move along as well as add some challenge since this should mean the k'haak actually build ships. Also NPC owned constructor ship pathfinding needs unfucking because they always take the most roundabout route possible for me. It got to the point where I just bought my own.
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X4 1.3: Looking forward to tons of kha'ak
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So does anyone know how to give orders with vertical orientations? Because outside of right click interactions with objects, I can't work out how. This had resulted in my last selection of 'go deploy some satellites' orders making a bunch of essentially useless results, due to stations with notably vertical positions. Not even far fringe space drugs stations, just plain old food and medical supply stations close by to gates and highways. While I'm at it, is there any way to order ships to use the long range scan ping? Because the explore commands even with 4 skill pilots ranges from super useless to suspect. "Okay, I've pre-scanned so we can SEE the physical model of that group of stations, and know there are more in the other direction. Go on, go get it! Go ID those stations." *Carves a path that leaves all the ? marks exactly at the cusp of 'we COULD have ID them if we had only flown 2 KM farther before turning around and leaving* But the revelation that I can't even rely on NPCs to deploy a satellite network around known space is a much bigger ballbuster  Some are even beyond 75 km vertically, so if I were super loving rich and putting 5 million credits worth of advanced satellites in a ship, that would still leave gaps.
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Dec 7, 2018 04:56
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Can you try rotating the map and then dragging the order upwards?
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Dec 7, 2018 04:57
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Google Butt posted:At this rate, how long do y'all estimate it will take before the game is good with no asterisk Based on how fast they're addressing the major complaints about the game I think it's realistic to see all the main systems (auto-pilot, trading, wars, turrets, station building) polished up by the end of the year. The game is already very fun to play. I can't wait to see what an expansion and some mods can turn it into though, so it all depends on what you want your first playthrough to be like.
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OwlFancier posted:Can you try rotating the map and then dragging the order upwards? Rotating the map thus far, just makes it click a flat plane location a mile away. I've tried shift, alt, and ctrl clicks and drags on existing orders. If a ship is already at a vertical orientation due to "fly to: station that's down there" then further orders will be to place the satellite back up at the zero point  So far I am also not allowed to drag satellite orders anyways on that note which has made missclicks with satellite orders even for stations at the middle of space also a pain in the rear end. Nor a way to order NPCs to collect sattelites for those times they catch all but one station in their range so you don't just say gently caress it and barf out multiple satellites within 3 km of eachother. Maybe they figured it was "good enough" that you can do right click orders for direct interactions with stations? Or there really is some obvious if you already knew it method. I hope it's that one. Even if it's still means stopping to rotate the map every single time to eyeball vertical distances. EDIT: Part of why these sort of things are more frustrating than loving up and dying, is because they are things that FEEL like they should be simple. Complete with perfectly good UI elements going to waste. Like working out "Oh, I need like 10 individual inputs, multiple times, to swap pilots between ships" Section Z fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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Dec 7, 2018 05:07
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big nipples big life posted:There are transporter doors at the traders now! Ahahaha they are terrible at highlighting the good features. E: Egosoft is also, clearly, using a different yardstick than the rest of us for what is simple and not worth mentioning and what is hard and therefore worthy of note. Examples: functioning war and empire building system, being able to just give money to subordinates and they figure out buying resources for themselves etc all being just part of the background sim. Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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Dec 7, 2018 05:19
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Sorry fellas. The save is gone but flying around in a giant fight like that was super awesome. Eventually the Argon forces locked down the Xenon forces enough where I could just park above the capital ship and plink at it without it being able to respond. Took forever but it died eventually. I didn't get "credit" with the kill so i don't now how much the bounty was worth but I ended up with like ~300k after hoovering up all the wreckage.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Egosoft is also, clearly, using a different yardstick than the rest of us for what is simple and not worth mentioning Germans.txt MrTargetPractice posted:Sorry fellas. The save is gone but flying around in a giant fight like that was super awesome. Eventually the Argon forces locked down the Xenon forces enough where I could just park above the capital ship and plink at it without it being able to respond. Took forever but it died eventually. I didn't get "credit" with the kill so i don't now how much the bounty was worth but I ended up with like ~300k after hoovering up all the wreckage. Someone else caught an invasion in progress. https://clips.twitch.tv/InterestingCarefulKimchiKevinTurtle They uhhh, don't gently caress around when they finally do decide to attack.
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Tried a new save for 1.3 ran into a K and tons of escorts in a very early game sector, haven't seen than on my old save.
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Out of curiosity, is the OTAS corporation still around in X4? I haven't got the game yet, but I plan to after a few patches are out, etc. And I loved the Solano, Venti and Boreas, so I'm curious about whether OTAS ships (or updated versions, I guess) are still floating around.
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Actual idiot baby question. I seem to be having trouble buying trade cargo in the amounts I want? I've got two missions. One for 1,800/1,800 food ration/medical supplies. One for 2,250 / 1,350 food/meds. For ARG and HAT. Drove over to a trader station selling lots of both. To start with, I selected 1,800 of each (noticed it seemed to consider that more, but still well below my 9k range cargo hold. Seems food is 1=1, and meds is 1=2 for space. For future reference, Maja dust is 1=6). Trade processing, aaand done. cool. "Let's see if I've got enough room more... Wait, why don't I have any food rations? Why do I only get a soft bloop sound trying to buy food ratios and medical supplies, or even JUST medical supplies?" It can't be that they are out. My info says they have over 100k food rations, and over 50k med supplies. with 3 yellow dots on the map for the at a glance sell volumes. If I could only hold one kind of cargo at a time (That would suck), then shouldn't I be able to buy more medical supplies? It can't be a case of volume, I always end up under my 9k capacity range in the buy estimates. I tried loading a save before I had bought anything. But trying to straight up buy 4,050 food just gets a soft bloop and nothing bought. 3,150 meds alone, Bloop. Nothing bought.... 200 food? Bloop, nothing bought. What am I loving up here?  Also, NPC crew have returned to stomping my nuts EDIT: Current theory: Taking a look at my missions, and seeing that one of the 'we're so low on food and meds!' missions is for the very sector Im trying to buy them from stocked with more food and meds they will ever need. Maybe this is loving with their logic? I'm trying to fly to another unrelated trader station I know of owned by ANT. But yeesh. What the gently caress. Section Z fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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Jesustheastronaut! posted:Based on how fast they're addressing the major complaints about the game I think it's realistic to see all the main systems (auto-pilot, trading, wars, turrets, station building) polished up by the end of the year. The game is already very fun to play. I can't wait to see what an expansion and some mods can turn it into though, so it all depends on what you want your first playthrough to be like. I expect that the crippling bugs will be fixed early Q1 2019. But there are still quite a few balance issues...like the fact that carriers are totally useless due to it being much faster to just fly the ships than to dock them to a carrier. Or the fact that guns not drawing energy from the hull makes the faster ship with the same number of guns inherently best in its class. Given carries jump drives and ship hulls special bonuses will probably fix all these but it's not exactly just a bug fix. Ship, weapon and equipment variety is also very much lacking but that may end up having to wait for a DLC as there are enough issues with the current offerings for them to iron out first.
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I do find it amusing that finally a game accurately portrays carriers as useless in space. http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/fighter.php
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hobbesmaster posted:I do find it amusing that finally a game accurately portrays carriers as useless in space. I mean, if we're gonna be realistic space combat would be entirely about extreme long ranges basically taking turns sniping at eachother.
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Within the systems of the X universe fighters/carriers still don't make much sense for the same reasons given in that article. The carriers just need to be able to rearm and repair the fighters from the cargo bay or something. Like consume hull parts to fix up fighters. The fighters in X are all quite capable of operating independently.
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hobbesmaster posted:Within the systems of the X universe fighters/carriers still don't make much sense for the same reasons given in that article. They'd make sense if carriers had jump drives, so they could actually take fighters long distances with them, but I think they've deliberately chosen not to have jump drives in X4 so it's unlikely they'll add them just for that.
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Okay so flying several sectors over let me actually buy all the food and meds I wanted. (I got 4,050 food, and 1,800 meds. I'll go back to ANT land for more meds later). This also came with the realization that the station which refused to sell me anything, was a HAT station. While the mission to restock that sector was for ARG. (As such, lots of little ARG stations that would only buy tiny amounts of goods.). Now I'm even more confused why a station with 100k food and 50k meds for sale, refused to let me buy anything earlier. It has also revealed some failings of the trade filters. Because it would keep pointing at the HAT station (the mother fucker which wouldn't let me BUY anything) as a source of sales.As trying to filter for ARG is overridden by the filter for trade wares. So the awkward 'zoom. Enhance. Zoom. Enhance' method of locating stations with certain goods for sale/purchase was even more awkward than usual. "nice! 2 dot sales *Zoom* where is it? *pan* where is it? *pan* okay there are a couple 1 dot ARG staions. Where is the one buying both? *pan pan pan* oh it's the HAT station. There is only a single ARG station right now that will buy *travels* 14. Fourteen medical supplies" The NPC economy is certainly live in my game too. NPC ships were beating me to stations that had sales dots on them while I'm busy wrangling things, thus removing said dots. So I've sold a fraction of my goods towards the mission and already nobody wants to buy more. Some shortage. So even when I become a sprawling mega empire. Faction specific "Please sell us X amount of product in Y sector!" seem like they will be a complete ball buster not worth the time, unless you pre-vet an entire sector to know a SPECIFIC faction has enough stations with a demand in the area. EDIT: Ah, okay. There is filter fuckery. But of another sort. ARG stations are not shown by seaches for HAT. But HAT stations are shown by searches for ARG... Because HAT are still using the "Argon X Station" in the naming convention. This also applies for TEL vs MIN, PAR vs HOP, and-  Meanwhile, the other mission for HAT was a cruel prank. "Solve our shortage of food and meds in Silent witness XI! We have three stations right next to eachother. A free port, a medical supply factory, and an agriculture factory. So uh... gently caress you?" Section Z fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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Dec 7, 2018 07:40
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I'm supporting a godrealm invasion of the holy order. Holy loving poo poo this is epic. Cap ships slugging it out.
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Probably going to start a new game with the 1.30 patch installed when I get home, im excited to see if the game is significantly more alive. Egosoft will be disclosing their list of "known issues" on their website soon, so we may be a vague road-map for the next patch and laying out which known bugs Egosoft are aware of and hopefully some insight on whats being done to fix it. https://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=192&t=405397&sid=4aa72f0636f7c2fcaa3f14682934441e/ (requires login)
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I've soothed my  at being pranked by "Shortage" missions by making my first long haul space weed run for 500k profitsss.Finally, I am a true X game player 
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I loaded an old save with the cargo ship I wasn't able to take earlier, today I saw the signal and was able to capture it in my spacesuit
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My first car was a stick
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Slickdrac posted:Germans.txt Holy poo poo that's a lotta P That's actually kinda terrifying where they just keep coming through the drat gate.
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One thing I did in X3 consistently was take station build missions to "increase" the economy. Every time I played, I'd do 2 or 3, and then go on to my normal empire building. I can't say if it had an effect or not considering how huge the universe was there compared to X4. Anyway, just got enough money to buy a builder. I'm going to try the same thing. Let's see how it goes.
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:One thing I did in X3 consistently was take station build missions to "increase" the economy. Every time I played, I'd do 2 or 3, and then go on to my normal empire building. I can't say if it had an effect or not considering how huge the universe was there compared to X4. Unlike in X3, every station you build you retain ownership of the station once built. So it's an upfront money loser if you build a proper station, otherwise you can make good money off them by hitting bare minimum, then demolishing it (you can remove all but the dock, and then shoot the dock)
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is there any kind of money log in this game? any way to see which of your mining ships is making the most money?
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Tooled around a bit in the beta patch and saw a lot more combat in the sectors at the beginning. There was Khaak everywhere, just like the early days of the internet.
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Slickdrac posted:Unlike in X3, every station you build you retain ownership of the station once built. So it's an upfront money loser if you build a proper station, otherwise you can make good money off them by hitting bare minimum, then demolishing it (you can remove all but the dock, and then shoot the dock) Thanks! Didn't know this. Well there's no point in doing the missions, then, is there? I mean, if the goal was to embiggen the (AI) economy rather than as a money making job. I already bought the builder too lol. Oh well it'll come in handy for when I start setting up my own stations. Shrimp or Shrimps fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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P is stored in the Khaak
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:Thanks! Didn't know this. Well there's no point in doing the missions, then, is there? I mean, if the goal was to embiggen the (AI) economy rather than as a money making job. As long as it's not in a terrible location they're basically subsidizing a station for you.
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Slickdrac posted:Germans.jpg 
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[MOD] Player Trade Buy Logbook Messages Adds buy messages to the logbook; sale messages are included already. https://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=181&t=404163 Everything else so far appears to be 'cheats', although there's a speed mod in there. https://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=181&t=402382
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