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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:honestly seems pedantic at this point. the econ prize was added on, but is administered by the Nobel foundation. to whatever extent a prize celebrating achievement in physics or chemistry should share a name with a prize for literature or peace, im not seeing how econ should be the pariah well physics, chemistry, literature, and peace have ostensible social utility
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:honestly seems pedantic at this point. the econ prize was added on, but is administered by the Nobel foundation. to whatever extent a prize celebrating achievement in physics or chemistry should share a name with a prize for literature or peace, im not seeing how econ should be the pariah it is not one of the prizes established by alfred nobel therefore it is not a nobel prize qed his living descendants also object to their family name being used in this way, that these banks are trading off of the prestige for their own award and that it's against his memory: "Nobel despised people who cared more about profits than society's well-being"
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also the swedish science academy or whatever administrates other prizes besides the nobels that are funded from other people's foundations the banks clearly named their prize to steal legitimacy because it sounds way better than a consortium of banks
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Dec 12, 2018 23:50
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Salt Fish posted:
diseased mind using a well known alphanumeric for garbage fire
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:it is not one of the prizes established by alfred nobel therefore it is not a nobel prize qed ok but im skeptical that most ppl who rag on the econ prize are whiteknighting the legacy of Alfred Nobel Inventor of Dynamite
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im here for the folks defending the vision and legacy of alfred nobel lol
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we must at all costs defend the honor of such nobel laureates as barack obama and henry kissenger
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:also the swedish science academy or whatever administrates other prizes besides the nobels that are funded from other people's foundations sure but the banks aren't choosing the prize to be clear, i agree that laureates in physics or chemistry are fast more deserving and that econ is a discipline badly corrupted by rich fuckers pushing an agenda. it's just weird to make it all about The Legacy Of Alfred Nobel who on his death bed made his progeny swear an oath not to allow economics to silly his grand benevolent vision
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there's no nobel prize in math because nobel's wife cheated on him with a mathematician
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:sure but the banks aren't choosing the prize nah gently caress the banks and their (successful) attempts to legitimize economic ideas preferable to them
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lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_known_as_the_Nobel_of_a_field#Economics
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pregnant women be eating why do you think vlassics mascot is a stork?
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Behavioral economics is no better than other areas of economics, its issues are just expressed in forms more familiar to pop psych.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:sure but the banks aren't choosing the prize autocorrect typos sillying my post
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:honestly seems pedantic at this point. the econ prize was added on, but is administered by the Nobel foundation. to whatever extent a prize celebrating achievement in physics or chemistry should share a name with a prize for literature or peace, im not seeing how econ should be the pariah physics, chemistry, medicine, literature and the promotion of peace are all obviously beneficial to society as a whole. economics in general, and certainly the type of economics promulgated by the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel, benefits a small number of the wealthy while exploiting vastly greater numbers of the poor. it's obviously the pariah. Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:ok but im skeptical that most ppl who rag on the econ prize are whiteknighting the legacy of Alfred Nobel Inventor of Dynamite nobel created the prizes in part to repent for his legacy of creating destruction (although dynamite has always been used far more by civilians for mining and construction than by any military) Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:sure but the banks aren't choosing the prize i believe that, like the real nobel prizes, the candidates for the economics prize are nominated by their peers (*ptui*) and then the organization decides from that list. the economics/finance community as a whole is choosing the winners.
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Sagebrush posted:nobel created the prizes in part to repent for his legacy of creating destruction (although dynamite has always been used far more by civilians for mining and construction than by any military) wikipedia informs me he owned 70 armament companies, the merchant of death lol
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Sagebrush posted:nobel created the prizes in part to repent for his legacy of creating destruction (although dynamite has always been used far more by civilians for mining and construction than by any military) i thought he created the prizes because he got a glimpse of what people really thought of him and decided he wanted to be remembered with a little less hostility hence why he gave all his money to creating a prestigious prize of the arts and sciences, rather than donating it to charity or something
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some professor down the hall is evangelizing teslas to a bunch of other faculty i have learned through eavesdropping that the $35,000 tesla is not available, but it will be in february. also you will save $50,000 in gas over ten years so the $60,000 model that he has with "two engines" is the steal of the century. (you don't have to do the math; that's 33,000 miles a year at 25mpg and california prices)
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that's an almost 70 mile drive to work i think i have a couple coworkers that make that
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Also there are "no repairs" and no oil changes, which is apparently some huge deal to so many people. Even around here an oil change cost like 35 bucks and takes 20 minutes, but I guess that's a big deal if you have to do 11 of them a year
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will the battery make it that long? thise things can’t be cheap.
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i'd start getting concerned about tires and brakes with a commute like that too that's a shitload of wear but i'm sure a bazinga like that would handwave away brakes for some regenerative braking
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at least he's right about teslas being unrepairable
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Jabor posted:at least he's right about teslas being unrepairable ayy
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Sagebrush posted:physics, chemistry, medicine, literature and the promotion of peace are all obviously beneficial to society as a whole. economics in general, and certainly the type of economics promulgated by the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel, benefits a small number of the wealthy while exploiting vastly greater numbers of the poor. it's obviously the pariah. yea the thing im objecting to is this: if random dead rich white dude alfred nobel had decided 100 years ago that economics was a field worth honoring, then the economics nobel could've been an OG nobel and it would be equally lovely. cf: the peace prize. criticize it based on the underlying problems not some implicit reverence for What Would Alfred Nobel Do?
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:yea the thing im objecting to is this: if random dead rich white dude alfred nobel had decided 100 years ago that economics was a field worth honoring, then the economics nobel could've been an OG nobel and it would be equally lovely. cf: the peace prize. criticize it based on the underlying problems not some implicit reverence for What Would Alfred Nobel Do? probably blow it up lol
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lets start using dynamite with a remote fuse for the economics nobel ezpz
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dynamite in the medal, fuse in the lanyard?
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:sure but the banks aren't choosing the prize The legacy of Alfred Nobel is a man who was a horrible capitalist finally realizing that he'd rather see the world improve than be remembered as the guy who helped kill a whole lot of people in pursuit of profit. By now that'd be a goddamn fairytale ending for Musk. It's a legacy worth defending, even if the man himself was not. Also the reason it's especially funny to dunk on the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences is because it's a bunch of absolute fuckheads seeing something popular and prestigious, and deciding to copy it wholesale, pretending like their prize has the same gravitas as the one given to people who have made the world a better place.
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the economics prize is inherently a stupid prize and definitely not on the same level of accomplishment as the real prizes, and the fact that it's not authorized by nobel himself makes it even more ridiculous. let's just pick some laureates from a random year, how about 1986 The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1986 was awarded jointly to Stanley Cohen and Rita Levi-Montalcini "for their discoveries of growth factors." The Nobel Prize in Physics 1986 was divided, one half awarded to Ernst Ruska "for his fundamental work in electron optics, and for the design of the first electron microscope", the other half jointly to Gerd Binnig and Heinrich Rohrer "for their design of the scanning tunneling microscope." The Nobel Peace Prize 1986 was awarded to Elie Wiesel. The Nobel Prize in Literature 1986 was awarded to Wole Soyinka "who in a wide cultural perspective and with poetic overtones fashions the drama of existence." The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 1986 was awarded jointly to Dudley R. Herschbach, Yuan T. Lee and John C. Polanyi "for their contributions concerning the dynamics of chemical elementary processes." ... The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel 1986 was awarded to James M. Buchanan Jr. "for his development of the contractual and constitutional bases for the theory of economic and political decision-making."
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here is a summary of buchanan's prizewinning theoriesquote:The same principles used to interpret people's decisions in a market setting are applied to voting, lobbying, campaigning, and even candidates. A person's first instinct is to make their decisions based upon their own self-interest. Buchanan explains public choice theory as "politics without romance" because many of the promises made in politics are intended to appear concerned with the interest of others, but in reality are the products of selfish ulterior motives. Political decisions, on both sides of the voting booth, are rarely made with the intention of helping anyone but the one making the decision. Buchanan argues that by analyzing the behaviors of voters and politicians that their actions could become easily predicted. "what if the free market, but voting???" is clearly as important to humanity as the electron microscope or the discovery of growth factors
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this is fishmech-tier arguing for a position that's entirely besides my original point
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eagerly awaiting sagebrush literary analysis of the enduring corpus of wole soyinka
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my favorite soyinka is probably A Quality of Violence but for this thread perhaps i could accept Requiem for a Futurologist
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:honestly seems pedantic at this point. the econ prize was added on, but is administered by the Nobel foundation. to whatever extent a prize celebrating achievement in physics or chemistry should share a name with a prize for literature or peace, im not seeing how econ should be the pariah econ is made up poo poo to further global capital's mission to end life on earth in pursuit of profits
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Obama got the peace prize. Aung San Suu Kyi got the peace prize.
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henry loving kissinger has a nobel peace prize
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Sagebrush posted:the economics prize is inherently a stupid prize and definitely not on the same level of accomplishment as the real prizes, and the fact that it's not authorized by nobel himself makes it even more ridiculous. one year, they gave the nobel peace prize to henry kissinger
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Sagebrush posted:Also there are "no repairs" and no oil changes, which is apparently some huge deal to so many people. it is pretty nice to not have to worry about pretty much all maintenance
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