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Standard Measure posted:allowing doxxing in some circumstances is like removing free speech. The biggest problem, jokes aside, it's that it's impossible to know if a screenshot is accurate or just made up. There's a significant chance of spreading complete lies about innocent people.
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Standard Measure posted:you don't want the nazis having the power to say what is and isn't acceptable. While this is not contrary to your other point, they literally do, at least in the U.S. and on social media platforms.
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exactly, which is why i laugh every time an idiot unironically argues "twitter isn't the government, free speech doesn't apply" yeah, how's that working out for you.
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Standard Measure posted:exactly, How are we defining "Nazi" for the purposes of this statement though? Because I'm pretty sure nazis aren't in charge of any social media platform.
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Dec 16, 2018 20:36
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Non Serviam posted:How are we defining "Nazi" for the purposes of this statement though? Because I'm pretty sure nazis aren't in charge of any social media platform. Jack from Twitter
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Dec 16, 2018 21:05
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Non Serviam posted:The biggest problem, jokes aside, it's that it's impossible to know if a screenshot is accurate or just made up. There are ways and means to detect a lot of editing: https://29a.ch/photo-forensics/#forensic-magnifier.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-otE2EjkEQ mental health.m4v
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Kerbtree posted:There are ways and means to detect a lot of editing: https://29a.ch/photo-forensics/#forensic-magnifier. 
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And it should be noted that any idiot who can press F12 can do what jobson groeth just posted. So I guess if the entire world were stuck on mobile, we'd be safe?
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i think you just said a stupid thing
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People repost STDH all the time, even when it's absolutely nonsensical. You sincerely believe people would routinely use forensic tools on photos?
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Non Serviam posted:People repost STDH all the time, even when it's absolutely nonsensical. You sincerely believe people would routinely use forensic tools on photos? Not people, goons.
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Non Serviam posted:How are we defining "Nazi" for the purposes of this statement though? Because I'm pretty sure nazis aren't in charge of any social media platform. Nazi, with an uppercase N means people who literally march around shouting Seig Heil and Juden Raus, carry swastika's and other sybols. With a lower case n, nazi is for those who agree with Nazis on everything, but don't wear the merch. So, really, there's no difference, to the gallows with both of them.
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Flinger posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYy6kwvXTio That's not a case of "released a single demo in the 1980s" though, the band has had an actual decades-long career with a real discography and a certain amount of fame among prog-metal snobs and stuff. Saw them live some years ago and they were good.
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twistedmentat posted:Nazi, with an uppercase N means people who literally march around shouting Seig Heil and Juden Raus, carry swastika's and other sybols. So the point you're making is that there are nazi sympathizers in control of major social media companies? Ok, cool.
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Non Serviam posted:So the point you're making is that there are nazi sympathizers in control of major social media companies? Ok, cool. Zucc himself acknowledged he thinks holocaust deniers deserve a platform just like anyone else, so yes.
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Picnic Princess posted:Zucc himself acknowledged he thinks holocaust deniers deserve a platform just like anyone else, so yes. Guillotines usually mount on platforms so I’ll all for that.
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:Relevant: ahem
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Non Serviam posted:So the point you're making is that there are nazi sympathizers in control of major social media companies? Ok, cool. Well, the idea was there is no difference between the two. They like to pretend there is, but enabling nazis is supporting nazis and it makes you one of them.
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twistedmentat posted:Well, the idea was there is no difference between the two. They like to pretend there is, but enabling nazis is supporting nazis and it makes you one of them. No, it doesn't. Believing that a platform should tolerate all views doesn't make you a supporter of those views. I know that a lot of posters are ridiculously lefty, in a constant contest of oneupmanship to see who has to hottest take about how capitalism is bad and Marxism "WILL TOTALLY WORK THIS TIME YOU GUYS", but you're on the deep end when you're calling a Jewish person like Zucc a "Nazi." I don't particularly like Facebook or their policies, but I do like the idea of platforms accepting all views.
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Non Serviam posted:but you're on the deep end when you're calling a Jewish person like Zucc a "Nazi." guidoanselmi posted:https://www.thedailybeast.com/netanyahus-negotiating-with-neo-fascists-for-a-consensus-view-of-the-holocaust
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Tubgoat posted:Your move, Herr Zucc. Far be it from me to defend a war criminal like Netanyahu, but the article says quote:On Thursday, Netanyahu acknowledged that he is negotiating with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán for an acceptable “consensus narrative” in which the Hungarian state’s part in the Nazi crimes that wiped out half a million Hungarian Jews during World War II will be minimized, if not erased, in a new revisionist Holocaust museum to be opened in Budapest. The headline is deceiving, since it says "Netanyahu’s Negotiating With Neo-Fascists for a ‘Consensus View’ of the Holocaust", whereas it should actually say "Netanyahu is negotiating with Hungarian leader regarding role of Hungary in Holocaust, to be featured in Holocaust museum in Hungary" Are you now calling Netanyahu a nazi sympathizer though?
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No more than I'm calling Trump an oatmeal-brained pisslover.
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The true AUG is someone defending nazi sympathizers itt If you aren't actively trying to shut down nazi rhetoric, you're at best allowing them to do what they want, which is in their favor, making you complicit in anything they get away with, making you a sympathizer.
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:The true AUG is someone defending nazi sympathizers itt 
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:The true AUG is someone defending nazi sympathizers itt I'm happy to take the approach of the ACLU on this topic, instead of that of forums poster Sandwich Anarchist. Edit. What nazi sympathizer did I defend?
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Non Serviam posted:No, it doesn't. Believing that a platform should tolerate all views doesn't make you a supporter of those views. I know that a lot of posters are ridiculously lefty, in a constant contest of oneupmanship to see who has to hottest take about how capitalism is bad and Marxism "WILL TOTALLY WORK THIS TIME YOU GUYS", but you're on the deep end when you're calling a Jewish person like Zucc a "Nazi."
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Fatty Crabcakes posted:I like the idea of you loving off. Ah, you're one of the ones for whom Marxism is just around the corner? 
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Dude, just stop. It's you, you're the AUG.
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Non Serviam posted:Ah, you're one of the ones for whom Marxism is just around the corner? Looks like we got a live Nazi in the house boys.
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^^ that's precisely my point. Being so far your own rear end in your little circle jerk that you've reached the point of equating freedom of speech or thinking Marxism is bad with being a full blown Nazi. Trabant posted:Dude, just stop. It's you, you're the AUG. For saying that neither Netanyahu nor Zucc are nazis?? OK then, goons gonna goon
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Non Serviam posted:^^ that's precisely my point. Being so far your own rear end in your little circle jerk that you've reached the point of equating freedom of speech or thinking Marxism is bad with being a full blown Nazi. nice meltdown
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Non Serviam posted:No, it doesn't. Believing that a platform should tolerate all views doesn't make you a supporter of those views. I know that a lot of posters are ridiculously lefty, in a constant contest of oneupmanship to see who has to hottest take about how capitalism is bad and Marxism "WILL TOTALLY WORK THIS TIME YOU GUYS", but you're on the deep end when you're calling a Jewish person like Zucc a "Nazi." Views such as white superiority and calls for genocide? If you let them spout that poo poo, it validates them and gives them power. They find each other, organize, rally, get elected. The reason the fascists are taking over is because we're letting them. We are complicit when we don't tell them to shut the gently caress up. How is "immigrants are all diseased rapist criminals" deserving of an equal platform as "queer people deserve rights too" or "I baked a cake today and it was delicious". There are some "views" that should be shunned. Like explicitly harmful fascist ones.
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Non Serviam posted:^^ that's precisely my point. Being so far your own rear end in your little circle jerk that you've reached the point of equating freedom of speech or thinking Marxism is bad with being a full blown Nazi. At least I’m not a Nazi sympathizer. Nazi.
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Picnic Princess posted:Views such as white superiority and calls for genocide? If you let them spout that poo poo, it validates them and gives them power. They find each other, organize, rally, get elected. The reason the fascists are taking over is because we're letting them. We are complicit when we don't tell them to shut the gently caress up. How is "immigrants are all diseased rapist criminals" deserving of an equal platform as "queer people deserve rights too" or "I baked a cake today and it was delicious". There are some "views" that should be shunned. Like explicitly harmful fascist ones. It depends on where. I think Facebook and Twitter have the right to set the behavior rules for their platform, and they have, after all, banned the likes of Milo and other similar imbeciles. In the public forum, however, I sincerely believe that all ideas deserve the same amount of protection. I don't think any authority should have the power to determine what ideas are acceptable or not. If you sincerely want to discuss the topic, om happy to make a discord and shoot the poo poo about politics with you or whoever. I'm sure it can be interesting and informative. Shoot me a PM, since it's better not to derail this further. I sincerely didn't think that saying Zucc isn't a Nazi would prove to be so controversial.
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