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| Oh thank God, FINALLY! It's been so long! |
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5 | 5.00% |
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| .... THE BIG DOG! |
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50 | 50.00% |
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The_Rob posted:I was thinking about when Kenny Omega finally won the title from Okada and how after it truly felt like something big had happened. Like it really felt like a changing of the guard. When is the last time you saw a title change in wwe and it felt like any kind of deal at all. Miz vs Ziggler, Title vs Career?
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Dec 18, 2018 18:22
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Vaguido posted:No it's not. You just find the things people didn't like about the product and don't book those things. One of the things people don't like about the product is Baron Corbin, and that 30 minute promo was largely spent mocking him. It is comically easy to draw a line between common fan complaints and nearly every single segment they ran last night. It's also easy to see how and why their attempts to address those complaints landed wide of the mark. It is absurd to expect them to change absolutely everything about how they book the show literally overnight, especially considering it was the doubleheader holiday show AND the post-TLC show. I can't even begin to comprehend the failed logic in that.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:24
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The Kimoa Kid posted:If you are expected the show to reinvent itself overnight you are a crazy person. The only truly meaningful change they can make is taking power away from Vince, and every single change they made last night - no matter how small - was in its own way a repudiation of his decisions. They masked it in kayfabe and blamed Corbin but it was obvious what it was. Vince needs to delegate responsibility to his producers and writers and stop acting as the last word on everything. Not sure if you noticed but "I can't do this all myself" was a sentence he literally spoke last night. But again, expecting Raw to wash away all its mistakes overnight is stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid as hell. So.... The show still sucks and nothing has meaningfully changed. That would be why people were saying "WELL ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAS CHANGED AT ALL!!" The_Rob posted:I was thinking about when Kenny Omega finally won the title from Okada and how after it truly felt like something big had happened. Like it really felt like a changing of the guard. When is the last time you saw a title change in wwe and it felt like any kind of deal at all. Cena vs AJ, RR 2017.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:24
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VJeff posted:So.... This isn't a debate dude, numerous things objectively changed, knock it off with the lovely trolling.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:25
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TV Zombie posted:Miz vs Ziggler, Title vs Career? Lol no way.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:26
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The Kimoa Kid posted:This isn't a debate dude, numerous things objectively changed, knock it off with the lovely trolling. What objectively changed?
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Dec 18, 2018 18:26
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2/3 of Kenny's title matches since he won have been with Cody, so I feel like the gap there is not quite as large as you might think.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:27
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The_Rob posted:What objectively changed? Baron Corbin is getting less screen time.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:28
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The_Rob posted:What objectively changed? The very first thing they did was to get rid of and mock the universally loathed on-screen heel GM, it wasn't even subtle. They bashed you over the head with it.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:28
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DarkstarIV posted:The best part was she threw some fakeout punches and kicks at the Miz and he immediately cowered in the corner. Not joking when I say I’d love to see that on tonight’s Smackdown.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:29
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The Kimoa Kid posted:The very first thing they did was to get rid of and mock the universally loathed on-screen heel GM, it wasn't even subtle. They bashed you over the head with it. Ignore that it was the other 4 on screen heel gms doing that and thats great! Hooray wrestling is saved good jorb all.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:30
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The Kimoa Kid posted:The very first thing they did was to get rid of and mock the universally loathed on-screen heel GM, it wasn't even subtle. They bashed you over the head with it. they literally did that 24 hours before that too
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Dec 18, 2018 18:30
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The_Rob posted:I was thinking about when Kenny Omega finally won the title from Okada and how after it truly felt like something big had happened. Like it really felt like a changing of the guard. When is the last time you saw a title change in wwe and it felt like any kind of deal at all. roman beating brock because for a brief moment it appeared our long lesnar nightmare was finally over
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Dec 18, 2018 18:30
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The Kimoa Kid posted:One of the things people don't like about the product is Baron Corbin, and that 30 minute promo was largely spent mocking him. It is comically easy to draw a line between common fan complaints and nearly every single segment they ran last night. It's also easy to see how and why their attempts to address those complaints landed wide of the mark. It is absurd to expect them to change absolutely everything about how they book the show literally overnight, especially considering it was the doubleheader holiday show AND the post-TLC show. I can't even begin to comprehend the failed logic in that. Okay, I guess having a 30 minute promo where the management that ruined the show fellate themselves by attacking a proxy is fine. We'll ignore that people don't hate Corbin but hate what he represents. Let's continue. After that 30 minute promo, they booked a match that was nearly identical to a match that occurred the night before. They even had Heath reprise his role as guest ref. PPV rematches the next night are another common complaint. Assuming Rovert is telling the truth about his scoops, the call up choices were made on Wednesday. They had several days to book things people would want to see, and not book things people didn't want to see. They still booked the same boring poo poo people complain about all the time, but promised they would try really hard to not be garbage in the future.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:31
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projecthalaxy posted:Ignore that it was the other 4 on screen heel gms doing that and thats great! Hooray wrestling is saved good jorb all. 1. They all acted like faces 2. I was asked for one example and I didn't say it saved the show Stop doing poo poo like this, it's childish.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:31
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VJeff posted:Cena vs AJ, RR 2017. Wasn't that the one where Cena got his win back? The bigger change would be Summerslam 2016, when AJ won clean after having already beaten Cena once with interference, to establish him as one of the top guys in the company.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:32
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The Kimoa Kid posted:The very first thing they did was to get rid of and mock the universally loathed on-screen heel GM, it wasn't even subtle. They bashed you over the head with it. They showed their commitment to change with a 30 minute long talking segment involving the McMahons and Corbin and literally repeating what they'd done the previous night at the PPV. And Corbin's not even going to be off TV for a week. So. What the gently caress are you talking about? Aphrodite posted:2/3 of Kenny's title matches since he won have been with Cody, so I feel like the gap there is not quite as large as you might think. The triple threat was great, I will loving die on this hill. Incessant Excess posted:Wasn't that the one where Cena got his win back? The bigger change would be Summerslam 2016, when AJ won clean after having already beaten Cena once with interference, to establish him as one of the top guys in the company. Yeah but that wasn't a title change. And Cena winning the match felt like a big deal because it was a great match, Cena got his 16th title win, the crowd was behind him (no mean feat, it was a smarky Rumble crowd and he was against AJ loving Styles). Everything since then has been dire, but that was a cool moment. Cena is good, is what I'm saying here.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:32
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i said it in the raw thread but i need the terrible booking to be fixed, not for the avatar of the terrible booking to get a beatdown
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Dec 18, 2018 18:33
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Vaguido posted:Okay, I guess having a 30 minute promo where the management that ruined the show fellate themselves by attacking a proxy is fine. When Michael Scott failed to pay those kids' tuition in Scott's Tots, did you expect Greg Daniels to appear on screen and make things right?
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Dec 18, 2018 18:33
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The Kimoa Kid posted:1. They all acted like faces 2. I was asked for one example and I didn't say it saved the show It's the same poo poo they have been doing for years
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Dec 18, 2018 18:33
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Bootlicking time again I see
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Dec 18, 2018 18:33
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The_Rob posted:I was thinking about when Kenny Omega finally won the title from Okada and how after it truly felt like something big had happened. Like it really felt like a changing of the guard. When is the last time you saw a title change in wwe and it felt like any kind of deal at all. Asuka winning at TLC
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Dec 18, 2018 18:34
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Sami Zayn is coming back though thats cool and will not be ruined now that vince and steph made fun of baron corbin
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Dec 18, 2018 18:34
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The Kimoa Kid posted:When Michael Scott failed to pay those kids' tuition in Scott's Tots, did you expect Greg Daniels to appear on screen and make things right? I expected John Cena to appear on screen and make things right. Still do every time I watch the episode.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:34
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VJeff posted:They showed their commitment to change with a 30 minute long talking segment involving the McMahons and Corbin and literally repeating what they'd done the previous night at the PPV. And Corbin's not even going to be off TV for a week. So. What the gently caress are you talking about? I'm explaining a thing that changed in response to being asked what changed, I thought that was clear
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Dec 18, 2018 18:34
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The Kimoa Kid posted:When Michael Scott failed to pay those kids' tuition in Scott's Tots, did you expect Greg Daniels to appear on screen and make things right? He did. He paid them all scale.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:35
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bradzilla posted:Bootlicking time again I see It's not bootlicking it's just being an annoying shitposter and I apologize for responding to it. I hope my fellow posters can forgive me.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:35
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The Kimoa Kid posted:The very first thing they did was to get rid of and mock the universally loathed on-screen heel GM, it wasn't even subtle. They bashed you over the head with it. That literally does nothing. They set up and get rid of heel GM's all the time. Eric Bicschoff was literally thrown into trash. The show has still been lovely for over a decade.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:35
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The_Rob posted:I was thinking about when Kenny Omega finally won the title from Okada and how after it truly felt like something big had happened. Like it really felt like a changing of the guard. When is the last time you saw a title change in wwe and it felt like any kind of deal at all. Hell in a Cell 2018 fatherofmustard posted:Asuka winning at TLC Also a good answer!
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Dec 18, 2018 18:36
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The_Rob posted:That literally does nothing. They set up and get rid of heel GM's all the time. Eric Bicschoff was literally thrown into trash. The show has still been lovely for ever a decade. You asked what changed and I answered. Stop shifting the goalposts. It's very very easy for you to say "OK, I was wrong." Try it.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:36
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projecthalaxy posted:Sami Zayn is coming back though thats cool and will not be ruined now that vince and steph made fun of baron corbin  @ me for thinking they might let him come back as a face. The Kimoa Kid posted:I'm explaining a thing that changed in response to being asked what changed, I thought that was clear So they changed by doing the exact same poo poo they always do, and then spending the rest of the episode doing the exact same poo poo they always do, right down to Steph badgering all the female talent like they're a bunch of loving schoolchildren.
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The_Rob posted:I was thinking about when Kenny Omega finally won the title from Okada and how after it truly felt like something big had happened. Like it really felt like a changing of the guard. When is the last time you saw a title change in wwe and it felt like any kind of deal at all. Bray winning at Elimination Chamber '17. I'm dumb.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:36
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They got rid of the bad GM who kayfabe booked all the stuff people didn't like and replaced him with the people who actually booked all the stuff people didn't like. How is this not getting through to you people?!
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Dec 18, 2018 18:37
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The Kimoa Kid posted:You asked what changed and I answered. Stop shifting the goalposts. It's very very easy for you to say "OK, I was wrong." Try it. That's a change in the literal script. We're talking about what in the scope of the actual show has changed.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:37
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VJeff posted:
Irrelevant to the question The_Rob posted:That's a change in the literal script. We're talking about what in the scope of the actual show has changed. You might be now, because I answered your question and you've chosen to shift the goalposts. And regardless, having heel GMs is a pretty major part of the recent shows, and a big reason why they sucked rear end to watch.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:37
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There are moments that change the business forever. Wrestlemania taking WWE national and making household names of Vince's stars. Nitro launching directly into Raw's face and initiating a battle that would pull the business into its golden era. Baron Corbin being mildly taunted by the actual versions of his character.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:38
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The_Rob posted:I was thinking about when Kenny Omega finally won the title from Okada and how after it truly felt like something big had happened. Like it really felt like a changing of the guard. When is the last time you saw a title change in wwe and it felt like any kind of deal at all. Before Asuka at TLC? Maybe Finn/Seth at Summerslam '16, because it finally felt like something new was happening, even though the match itself wasn't incredible. Then maybe AJ/Cena at RR '17.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:39
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Owens beating Cena in his debut match on the main roster was the other one that made me go "you don't see that everyday".
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Dec 18, 2018 18:39
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projecthalaxy posted:There are moments that change the business forever. Wrestlemania taking WWE national and making household names of Vince's stars. Nitro launching directly into Raw's face and initiating a battle that would pull the business into its golden era. Baron Corbin being mildly taunted by the actual versions of his character. Tamina and Nia in the royal rumble.
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projecthalaxy posted:There are moments that change the business forever. Wrestlemania taking WWE national and making household names of Vince's stars. Nitro launching directly into Raw's face and initiating a battle that would pull the business into its golden era. Baron Corbin being mildly taunted by the actual versions of his character. See, why do you do this? Why can't we have a normal conversation? You guys asked for one example of a thing that changed and I mentioned the very first change that happened on the show. It wasn't an exhaustive list and it wasn't a suggestion that it's changed the company or the business forever. Why write this shitheel response when you could just say "OK" or nothing at all?
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