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Imagine a subway but with almost no capacity and it's only for rich people quote:Seriously, Elon Musk? Are You Kidding Me With This Tunnel? What Is This?  I'm sure that Elon Musk has never even seen a subway before so he probably thinks "what if you you're in a car, but like, underground" is a groundbreaking concept
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The fact that a legitimately good and cool space company is going to end up shitfucked by the megalomania and continued decline of Musks grasp on reality is really frustrating. 
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Dec 22, 2018 00:37
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celebrity technology man... bad??? 
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Dec 22, 2018 00:49
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Jim Long-un posted:celebrity technology man... bad??? Honestly the author of this article is just an idiot who doesn't understand the difference between a subway and essentially an underground railed superhighway. "Oh just build trains that go over the road" people say but in reality nobody is loving parking and riding them in places like Los Angeles which is why this tunnel came about. It's not going to be useful anywhere else. Way too many people are too excited to see Musk fall on his face, because I guess people hate anyone trying to actually do something. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Dec 22, 2018 |
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Dec 22, 2018 00:57
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Blazing Ownager posted:Honestly the author of this article is just an idiot who doesn't understand the difference between a subway and essentially an underground railed superhighway. you're right. one way is public transportation, the other is a dumber loving way to use your car.
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Dec 22, 2018 01:01
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Cool bro
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Dec 22, 2018 01:02
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:you're right. one way is public transportation, the other is a dumber loving way to use your car. quote:Even if that were possible, and every car were full, Musk would be moving 20,000 people an hour along a fixed track from Point A to Point B—about half what the London Underground’s Victoria Line can manage today. Which raises the question: If your goal is to move a large number of people from Point A to Point B, underground, well … maybe Elon needs to take a vacation to London. There is a huge difference (and a difference that will impact traffic big time) between driving somewhere and emerging with your car already and parking to ride a packed loving subway and emerging sans car on the other side. From a time and convenience issue: In reality getting on a train requires finding a place to park (10-15 mins), waiting for the train (5-15 mins), waiting for the train to make all it's stops while en route to your destination, then walking to a connecting form of mass transit and waiting for a bus to where you are actually going (another 10-20 mins). If people can't understand why just driving into Point A and emerging in Point B is a lot different I don't know what to say. Wanting to save like 30 mins of screwing around with public transportation minimum and actually having a car at your destination point is not really a 'dumber' way of using anything. ED: Then add in the fact everyone has access to mass transit and a lot of people still drive. By splitting traffic into an underground express lane, traffic goes way down which is good for everyone too. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Dec 22, 2018 |
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Dec 22, 2018 01:02
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Blazing Ownager posted:Honestly the author of this article is just an idiot who doesn't understand the difference between a subway and essentially an underground railed superhighway. Subways and Monorails work very effectively for every city on earth, except the one filled with those worshipping Weedlord420 of Mars. Got it.
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Dec 22, 2018 01:05
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because 'driving form point a to b' is called a road. which already exist. and don't require a specific car to use and billions of dollars of construction. the solution to the non-problem you describe is to have MORE public transportation (transportation that doesn't require you to use a car, thereby reducing the number of cars on the road) and have that transportation include residential areas.
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Blazing Ownager posted:There is a huge difference (and a difference that will impact traffic big time) between driving somewhere and emerging with your car already and parking to ride a packed loving subway and emerging sans car on the other side. From a time and convenience issue: In reality getting on a train requires finding a place to park (10-15 mins), waiting for the train (5-15 mins), waiting for the train to make all it's stops while en route to your destination, then walking to a connecting form of mass transit and waiting for a bus to where you are actually going (another 10-20 mins). where is this magical city where everyone has access to public transportation, but nobody uses it?
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Dec 22, 2018 01:05
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like, let's take the premise that a solution to traffic congestion is more tunnels, why the gently caress is musk's idiot tunnel - where teslas are driven along on skates - superior to just a normal loving tunnel?
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Dec 22, 2018 01:07
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Rime posted:Subways and Monorails work very effectively for every city on earth, except the one filled with those worshipping Weedlord420 of Mars. Got it. They help but if you think subways work 'very effectively' in a lot of cities you are high as balls. I'm sure cities that even use a lot of mass transit like Tokyo could benefit from this because if my options are 'Drive into a tunnel, chill for 30 mins, drive out of the tunnel home' or 'Drive/Walk to a subway, wait forever for it to show up, smash myself like a sardine into a can, ride to the destination like a moshpit and then walk/wait for another 30 minus for a bus' I am driving into that loving tunnel.
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Isambard Kingdom Brunel designed and oversaw the construction of a tunnel under the Thames in like 1850. That’s a real badass that does something like that.
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Dec 22, 2018 01:08
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Blazing Ownager posted:They help but if you think subways work 'very effectively' in a lot of cities you are high as balls. again, explain the logic of this: 1. recognizing that urban roads are clogged by traffic congestion 2. building a tunnel that's like any other tunnel, except it can only be used by one brand of cars, is accessed through a slow moving elevator, and still returns cars to and from the same congested urban streets
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Dec 22, 2018 01:09
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In the grimdark future, the guy who owns all the parking lots is going to destroy Elon Musk in a fantastic war of attrition.
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Dec 22, 2018 01:10
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:where is this magical city where everyone has access to public transportation, but nobody uses it? Tons of people use it, I'm not saying they don't. I'm saying that a huge number of people don't use it. Those people that don't use it slow down traffic for both each other AND mass transit, because mass transit does NOT do door-to-door deliveries of people and requires a huge amount of waiting to connect to different legs of the trip. You might be cool going 'I'm being a responsible citizen  taking the bus' but if I can save an hour or two a day not smashed into a cube with often homeless and/or crazy strangers I'm taking it. And again the more people who take the alternative, the less people on the road, so the faster the connecting busses go.Nobody's saying to get rid of public transport, just ways to cut down the traffic and speed up private transport.
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Blazing Ownager posted:They help but if you think subways work 'very effectively' in a lot of cities you are high as balls. how much tesla stock do you own
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Blazing Ownager posted:Tons of people use it, I'm not saying they don't. I'm saying that a huge number of people don't use it. Those people that don't use it slow down traffic for both each other AND mass transit, because mass transit does NOT do door-to-door deliveries of people and requires a huge amount of waiting to connect to different legs of the trip. the solution to the problem you're describing is literally more public transportation. musk's idiot tunnel combines all the worst parts of public transportation (expensive, challenging to build in an existing urban infrastructure) with the worst parts of motor vehicle transportation (the use of cars). even dumber is the addition of an entire, complex system to move cars WHICH CAN ALREADY MOVE THEMSELVES
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Dec 22, 2018 01:12
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:again, explain the logic of this: It's clear you don't live in a huge city because being able to enter an elevator in downtown LA and then being able to emerge with your car in Santa Monica or Pasadena would be such a huge benefit that it would likely get like half the cars off the freeway. And like it or not, half those drivers aren't going to want to lose another hour a day loving with a bus. The 'one brand of car' thing is, from what I understand, a complete temporary limit while they test it. Any car will be adaptable when they're done.
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Dec 22, 2018 01:12
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:the solution to the problem you're describing is literally more public transportation. Again there's a huge difference between 'Drive in point A with car, drive out point B with car' and 'Ditch car and physically run bus to bus to get on and off the subway and spend a 10th of your day waiting for stuff to show up so you can mosh pit with homeless people.' Public transport is a good thing and it's not going anywhere but seriously acting like these are the same is ridiculous. Seven Hundred Bee posted:musk's idiot tunnel combines all the worst parts of public transportation (expensive, challenging to build in an existing urban infrastructure) A huge part of the tunnel is making the building of the tunnel cheaper and faster. Seven Hundred Bee posted:with the worst parts of motor vehicle transportation (the use of cars). So? What's so wrong about the use of cars? The pollution? Because not only are future vehicles not going to have nearly the problem with that (thanks to people like Musk, ironically), anyone in the tunnel is riding under the tunnel's power. So like.. what is your actual problem with the use of cars if they're not doing any damage to anyone? Seven Hundred Bee posted:even dumber is the addition of an entire, complex system to move cars WHICH CAN ALREADY MOVE THEMSELVES Cars cannot move accurately at like 150mph at bumper-to-bumper distances, I mean what the gently caress.
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Blazing Ownager posted:A huge part of the tunnel is making the building of the tunnel cheaper and faster. Did you read the article? It cost more and took longer.
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Arrhythmia posted:Did you read the article? It cost more and took longer. The reason why in one word: quote:pro·to·type This was literally revised a ton of times from the ground up to make it work. You do realize the vast majority of the project time was making it work, not just digging the tunnel, right? Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Dec 22, 2018 |
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Dec 22, 2018 01:22
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quality journalism
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Dec 22, 2018 01:22
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Rime posted:Weedlord420 of Mars. 
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I will never understand the 'Someone tries to do something cool' response of 'Well gently caress that guy!' Like I don't even understand what drives people to get so pissed off. I wish more people would try crazy poo poo. Even if 99% of them fell on their face, they'd get nothing but props from me for trying. The way I look at it if even one of Musk's projects changes the world in a good way like Space X then he's cool in my book.
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The Tunnel of Dumb
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Blazing Ownager posted:Again there's a huge difference between 'Drive in point A with car, drive out point B with car' and 'Ditch car and physically run bus to bus to get on and off the subway and spend a 10th of your day waiting for stuff to show up so you can mosh pit with homeless people.' Public transport is a good thing and it's not going anywhere but seriously acting like these are the same is ridiculous. you know that public transportation doesn't always require you to drive to access the public transportation? public transportation isn't 'a mosh pit with homeless people' musks idiot tunnel can't move cars at 150mph either, so...
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Blazing Ownager posted:I will never understand the 'Someone tries to do something cool' response of 'Well gently caress that guy!' yeah elon musk is one of the super rich actually doing cool things with his money, im sure hes still as terrible and corrupt as the rest of them but at least its interesting and i think it should be encouraged
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Blazing Ownager posted:This was literally revised a ton of times from the ground up to make it work. You do realize the vast majority of the project time was making it work, not just digging the tunnel, right? "the 6,000-foot tunnel took 18 months to dig, a distance that a state-of-the-art tunnel-boring machine could clear in eight."
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:you know that public transportation doesn't always require you to drive to the public transportation? public transportation isn't 'a mosh pit with homeless people' Two things: One, this was written either by someone who has never, ever taken public transportation in their life or lives in a podunk town where it's pleasant. Anybody who's lived in a huge city knows public transportation isn't the armpit of transportation, it's closer to the taint fold of travel. And two.. quote:Musk claims the next step for his tunnel is transporting 4,000 vehicles an hour at 155 mph You're right I was 5 miles too slow
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seriously if your complaint about public transportation is that it requires you to spend time with homeless people, you're starting off on the wrong foot the real complaint that you're half making is that our public transportation network isn't extensive enough, which sometimes requires a vehicle to access. the solution to that is more extensive public transportation. if you want to reduce congestion in cities, make it so you don't need to own a car if you live in a city. there's a reason most people in manhattan don't own cars.
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Dec 22, 2018 01:32
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the nice thing about this idiotic small tunnel for fanboys is that it is guaranteed to kill nobody of value when a tunnel fire inevitably wipes out a few dozen tesla owners
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Dec 22, 2018 01:32
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public transportation can be cool and good if you do it right. japan's public transportation infrastructure is impressive
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Dec 22, 2018 01:33
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Blazing Ownager posted:Two things: I have lived in Northern Virginia and Washington, DC and spent 4 years of my life taking public transportation every day. I have spent significant time in NYC, which has the best public transportation in the US. Again, the issue with public transportation in DC is that it's limited. Traveling to Georgetown, for example, is a pain in the rear end because the Metro doesn't go there, not because of homeless people.
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Blazing Ownager posted:I will never understand the 'Someone tries to do something cool' response of 'Well gently caress that guy!' if you're impressed by a tunnel with a car in it and you think it is cool and good and innovative then i have some rocks you could stack that would blow your tiny mind
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Wait a minute. A Subway without hobos? Sign me the gently caress up.
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Dec 22, 2018 01:34
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spinderella posted:The Tunnel of Dumb lol
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:seriously if your complaint about public transportation is that it requires you to spend time with homeless people, you're starting off on the wrong foot Dude, I've seen crack head women strip naked and smear peanut butter cups all over themselves for Halloween while staggering up and down the asile. I've seen wheelchair bound old men grab women and refuse to leg go until the cops are called and throw piles of spit. I've smelled things you people would not believe, and had dozens of people cough in my face while watching the gang bangers scratch poo poo into the windows. And that's not even close to the poo poo that goes down in Japanese subways. I don't know what the gently caress dreamland you are living on but it's irrefutable that public transportation sucks total balls for the people riding it and a ton of people don't take it right now, hence traffic congestion. It's also irrefutable that traffic congestion slows any connecting busses, which you need to use a subway, way way down. So to argue against lowering that congestion with some underground super highways, like an automated autobahn, is literally just stupid and would hurt everyone, even people taking buses.
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what if you could have a car pick you up at your house and drop you off at the subway or light rail station?
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does he really qualify as a "polymath"? don't you have to know, like... ... what does he know, again?
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