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BlondRobin posted:In 2300 the concept of internal politics, a problem that has plagued humanity for every moment of its existence as a species, is scheduled to be removed, which explains why suddenly we are able to reach space and also possibly why authoritarian measures no longer bother people, because all individuals now have no sense of personal gain vs society’s gain and work together for the betterment of the civilization. Yeah I don't get the folks that imply there's no possible way that a society will find a way to eliminate strife and generate alignment between its citizens, along its development to being able to harness literal stars. If you really like the internal strife model you got CK2 and the upcoming Rome should have tons of that stuff too. If every single Paradox game models the same conflicts and tensions then the variety is kinda illusory. I think it's reasonable to assume that when faced with literal cosmic horrors completely unlike you, that it would help facilitate the idea that "hmm maybe fighting amongst eachother when faced with devouring swarms is not a good idea." And maybe there would be some technology to facilitate that. So perhaps, the focus of games like Stellaris can be on the conflict between these quite different beings and ideals that they have, instead of endlessly modeling their internal issues to amazing levels of detail. For all those reasons in Stellaris I'm a fan of having the conflict be between the galactic empires instead of within.
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Well, I mean if there a Society tech or Ascension perk to align social incentives or whatever, sure, why not? You have to research it first though. Also, what exactly do you think it means when a governor develops the "Corrupt" trait?
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Dec 22, 2018 22:23
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It's been brought up before but the fact that "Planetary Unification" is an in-game tech sort of implies that at game start it hasn't happened yet
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Dec 22, 2018 22:34
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Adding an internal politics system based on character interaction might make the game more like other Paradox games, but I might also make it more fun.
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Dec 22, 2018 22:54
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Me, a guy who still hasn't watched Legend of the Galactic Heroes:Ham Sandwiches posted:Or perhaps don't, there's already a game for ck2 style internal politics, it's called ck2 and they've designed the game around it.
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Dec 22, 2018 23:05
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Zohar posted:It's been brought up before but the fact that "Planetary Unification" is an in-game tech sort of implies that at game start it hasn't happened yet
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Dec 22, 2018 23:07
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Pikey posted:Somebody convince me to give this game another try. I last played it this spring and the only expansion I played was leviathans, but the steam sale makes me want to try it again. I always got into a slump shortly after the early game when I've found a few nearby empires bumped up against me and nothing seems to be happening. Can somebody gimme a primer on the "proper" way to play? Should I be running the game on the fastest speed the majority of the time? Seems like a lot of waiting around for nothing to happen. Did 2.0 really change the game as much as all the reviews say? https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/a40wxk/i_have_no_idea_what_im_doing_guide_for_first_25/
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Dec 22, 2018 23:07
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If your empire is completely unified then why can your pops form factions?
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Dec 22, 2018 23:10
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turn off the TV posted:If your empire is completely unified then why can your pops form factions?
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Dec 22, 2018 23:14
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Egalitarian xenophile is totally broken at the moment - Pops will move to planets they're totally unsuited for and end up eating a billion food and consumer goods more than they should.
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Dec 22, 2018 23:16
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turn off the TV posted:If your empire is completely unified then why can your pops form factions? Because some devs wanted it to be like Vicky. I don't see the factions being interesting on a scale like Stellaris and I very rarely hear people praise them for their gameplay in this thread. A fairly low number of "Yeah I was having this playthrough and then this faction started demanding stuff and WOW this game is just amazing" type posts. CK2 has thousands of characters to make their politics work. A typical stellaris empire has.. 10-12? They're completely different scales of gameplay and technology and mechanics. I generally disagree with the idea of "let's cut and paste every mechanic from every game" and suggest that rather, trying to understand the core of what it's modeling, and figuring out how to implement it consistent with the design of the game you are actually working on is a better approach.
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Dec 22, 2018 23:16
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In honor of 666, post genocidal empires
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Dec 22, 2018 23:18
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Re-installed Stellaris 2.2 including Megacorp after about a year and  numbers everywhereCan you guys recommend a really dumb and concise guide for planet management? Is it possible to hand that off to a competent AI? I don't like micro managing a dozen of planets or so.
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Dec 22, 2018 23:20
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Drone_Fragger posted:Egalitarian xenophile is totally broken at the moment - Pops will move to planets they're totally unsuited for and end up eating a billion food and consumer goods more than they should. Just feed them, you monster. They're free to live wherever they want.
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Dec 22, 2018 23:23
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I mean, literally the whole point of the Egalitarian ethic is that people don't always do what you want them to and you have to deal with it. That's why it's the opposite of Authoritarian.
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Dec 22, 2018 23:28
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Drone_Fragger posted:Egalitarian xenophile is totally broken at the moment - Pops will move to planets they're totally unsuited for and end up eating a billion food and consumer goods more than they should. Gotta have a downside to massive immigration spitting 10-15 growth per month with not really a lot of effort
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Dec 22, 2018 23:33
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Zohar posted:It's been brought up before but the fact that "Planetary Unification" is an in-game tech sort of implies that at game start it hasn't happened yet My take on that is that there's a formal unified structure but the tech is half working out the details of how to run it all properly and being able to have some flexibility (Hence being able to set up new edicts; you need a civil service that can actually implement them), and half convincing the people to adopt the unified racial identity over whatever previous national/tribal/etc. ones they had.
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Dec 22, 2018 23:34
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So uh I turned into glorious machines. Noticed not all my dudes made the switch. Fine I'll apply template there now too. Must have been the pops growing at the time of the project. And now I have no pop growth. Only the robot factories which don't build the my main species, just the synths I had before ascending.
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Dec 22, 2018 23:40
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BrandorKP posted:So uh I turned into glorious machines. Noticed not all my dudes made the switch. Fine I'll apply template there now too. Must have been the pops growing at the time of the project. I'm not sure if this is what you're asking here, but there's a way to force factories to build a specific template. If they're building a mishmash or the old stuff then you probably need to switch it to the new template, unless that's somehow bugged for you.
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Dec 22, 2018 23:46
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Ham Sandwiches posted:Yeah I don't get the folks that imply there's no possible way that a society will find a way to eliminate strife and generate alignment between its citizens, along its development to being able to harness literal stars. What's there to get? Internal strife is a pretty common narrative feature of scifi fiction. Is it shocking that people then look for that in their 4X that deliberately draws on those same sources of fiction for inspiration? No, no it is not.
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Dec 22, 2018 23:52
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Like it doesn't have to literally be the same thing as ck2.
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Dec 22, 2018 23:56
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Ham Sandwiches posted:I'm not sure if this is what you're asking here, but there's a way to force factories to build a specific template. If they're building a mishmash or the old stuff then you probably need to switch it to the new template, unless that's somehow bugged for you. That would work hopefully, can I switch to the ascended pops from synths? I'll give that a try tonight. Otherwise looks like I'm breaking out the assimilators.
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Dec 22, 2018 23:57
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BrandorKP posted:That would work hopefully, can I switch to the ascended pops from synths? I'll give that a try tonight. Otherwise looks like I'm breaking out the assimilators. I haven't played an ascended synth empire yet just the regular robot machine empires. Hopefully someone that has done the synth ascention can chime in if there's more to it. I'm talking about the ability to click on the robot factory and specify which pop to assemble. Hopefully your ascended pop is in the list and then you can just specify that as the template for assembly. Has to be done on every planet.
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Dec 23, 2018 00:06
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GunnerJ posted:Like it doesn't have to literally be the same thing as ck2. Yeah, this is the weirdest part. I don't think that anyone is asking for space CK2. However, Legend of the Galactic Heroes is the best science fiction series ever made and the series is pretty much entirely about space battles and space politics.
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Dec 23, 2018 00:17
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Clarste posted:I mean, literally the whole point of the Egalitarian ethic is that people don't always do what you want them to and you have to deal with it. That's why it's the opposite of Authoritarian. It's still weird and annoying how eager pops are to move to places with an 80% habitability penalty, Egalitarian or no.
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Dec 23, 2018 00:18
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Jabarto posted:It's still weird and annoying how eager pops are to move to places with an 80% habitability penalty, Egalitarian or no. If I can move to Mars and someone else is paying for the sealed airtight dome and shipping all the food in, I'm gonna do it. You can't stop me.
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Dec 23, 2018 00:21
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How do I opt into the beta branch? Steam says 2.2.0 Le Guin version, 2.2.1 Le Guin version, and stellaris_test - testing and crossplay branch. Is 2.2.1 the current beta version? If you play on the beta versions, are you constantly starting new games as new beta versions come out? It takes me a long time to get through a game, but I guess even that is preferable to not wanting to play at all due to the stuttering.
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Dec 23, 2018 00:39
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I doubt they'll release any beta versions over Christmas, you're probably good for the next ten days or so.
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Dec 23, 2018 00:45
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RagnarokZ posted:It's good fun when the Khan wakes on the other side of the galaxy, almost no chance they'll ever reach you, plenty of chaos for you to enjoy. Watch yer wormhole, bud
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Dec 23, 2018 00:50
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RVT posted:How do I opt into the beta branch? New beta versions don't invalidate old saves, though some changes may only take effect on a new game. I've been beta subscribed almost since the start and it hasn't made me abandon any games in progress yet. And pick stellaris_test to join the beta.
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I cant loving believe this - having Robots still fucks Authoritarian factions by saying your society is not stratified. and the Artisan Troupe's Ministry of Culture building is hosed too. Goddamn. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Dec 23, 2018 |
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Dec 23, 2018 01:04
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turn off the TV posted:Yeah, this is the weirdest part. I don't think that anyone is asking for space CK2. However, Legend of the Galactic Heroes is the best science fiction series ever made and the series is pretty much entirely about space battles and space politics. I was curious what you were talking about, and it's some anime from the 80s. Sorry, but by default it can't be the best scifi series ever made.
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Dec 23, 2018 01:05
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Sloober posted:Gotta have a downside to massive immigration spitting 10-15 growth per month with not really a lot of effort I mean, true. but also, it's INSANELY annoying.
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Dec 23, 2018 01:09
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I cant loving believe this - having Robots still fucks Authoritarian factions by saying your society is not stratified. look this is probably the easiest fuckin thing to get rid of, so calm down: 1) Open up slave market. 2) Buy slave. CAN BE ANY ONE OF THEM. 3) Send to whatever planet you want. 4) Edit slave pop's rights to population controls and migration controls enabled. 5) Pretend you don't have any slaves if you don't want them.
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Dec 23, 2018 01:09
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Preston Waters posted:look this is probably the easiest fuckin thing to get rid of, so calm down:
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Dec 23, 2018 01:25
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Game's got a few bugs. Ain't no biggie; they'll get it right.
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Dec 23, 2018 01:28
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I cant loving believe this - having Robots still fucks Authoritarian factions by saying your society is not stratified. Robots aren't real people. There's no real stratification going on.
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Dec 23, 2018 01:34
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binge crotching posted:I was curious what you were talking about, and it's some anime from the 80s. Sorry, but by default it can't be the best scifi series ever made. It actually isn't. It's a series of novels from the 80s which happens to have an excellent anime adaptation.
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Dec 23, 2018 01:37
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turn off the TV posted:Yeah, this is the weirdest part. I don't think that anyone is asking for space CK2. Well, that would be awesome too.
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binge crotching posted:I was curious what you were talking about, and it's some anime from the 80s. Sorry, but by default it can't be the best scifi series ever made. It's an adaptation of some literature PhD's 10 book fanfiction about politics in and the militaries of the Space US and Space Prussia during a period where they have been at war for 100 years. The series is pretty focused on depicting the benefits and and failings of democratic and authoritarian societies. Fun fact: a few of the stars in Stellaris are actually named after locations in LoGH.
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