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TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
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Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Yeah, it's not really airtight logic, but it's more "I'd rather be manipulated by someone who helps me get free from abuse than manipulated by someone that makes me want to kill myself".

Pretty much. I mean, Nagisa also says that Junko "showered [them] with love and affection", and for children who to this point have basically only known horrific abuse from their parents or negligence from their school (who just stuffed them into the "problem child" class with no intentions of addressing their problems), I would figure that meeting somebody who literally pulled them from the edge of a building, gave them a dream to live for, taught them that they don't need to just take their abuse and can actually fight back, and showed them the love they never got from their family would probably make me want to deify them as well.

Sure, we know Junko is just putting on a front and doesn't actually love anything but despair, but they don't know that. For them, doing what Junko wants them to do is just repaying what she has given to them. There's a reason she's managed to create a personality cult that hosed the world up almost beyond repair.

Random side thought: You should sympathize with the Warriors of Hope at least to the point that you believe they can be redeemed - or rather deprogrammed. Why? Because that's what Makoto would believe. After all, the Warriors of Hope are basically just kid versions of the Remnants of Despair, and he managed to deprogram them in DR2 through the Neo World Program. And hey, who better to know who to believe in than the Ultimate Hope, right? And I'm sure that while the Warriors of Hope have committed an atrocity, it was at least confined to a city. The Remnants hosed up the world.

No, I'm not biased at all, why do you ask?

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Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
I'm kind of mixed about it.

On one hand, we see Nagisa here interacting with Komaru and Toko without any hostility, even if it is to kick them out of the game. It is partially because the WoH are in a position of vulnerability, so they're able to compromise a bit. That does suggest that maybe down the line things could work out. Maybe.

At the same time, mass murder and implied brainwashing is kind of a big thing to overlook.

But then again, the DR2 cast did basically the same (brainwashing aside) and we're supposed to like them as well, so...

I guess this kinda ties back to "I hate that the victims are largely faceless" because it almost feels like the series is saying "Don't worry about the scores and scores of people getting slaughtered like cattle." I mean, one of our major characters is a serial killer, enamoring as her zaniness is. That's a touch disconcerting.

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


The DR2 crew probably did brainwashing on other people as well, whether through music or dance or Sonia's personality they certainly guided others into sharing in despair.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

TheMcD posted:

Because that's what Makoto would believe.

WWMD

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
---------
Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.



Alright, time to check out this secret passageway.







This is it.



Nagisa then shoves the small shrine over.



Stairs?
This is the secret passageway we've prepared in case of emergency. Go through here, and you can get outside the town.



...What are you doing? Hurry up and leave.
...
Hey, what's the hold up? If you just go through here, you'll be outside of the city.
Didn't you want to run away!? Didn't you want to escape this town!?
Th-That's right, that's...what I've always wanted. At least that's...what I thought...
Toko... Is it really okay for me to go?
D-Do whatever you want. It has nothing to do with me... Not anymore.
...





♪ BGM: Abnormality on the Girls' Front Line

I'll just answer the question that's probably on your mind right now. No, nobody's going to acknowledge that Nagito's had his face drawn on. It's just a thing now.

You? Why are you here?
Why am I here...? To persuade her to stay, of course.
So that our boring and common protagonist who has no distinct characteristics doesn't just quit.
...Huh?
...
Komaru Naegi... Though you are "normal," not an Ultimate, or even a part of Future Foundation... I really do think quite poorly of the idea that you would abandon your friend and run off alone.
Are you really going to just run away like this? Is your conscience clear?
Stop it! What are you saying!? She's about to leave for good!
That would be quite bothersome for me, y'know? That is why I must convince her to stay.
...Huh?
It would be disappointing if she did not see the game through to the end. How it was meant to be.
D-Don't just go speaking your mind without permission! You're a servant! Listen to me! In order to see our paradise, this girl cannot stay here!
So then I must ask, which is more important to the Warriors of Hope? Paradise or the game?
Wh-What are you talking about? It's obviously--
The game, of course.
What?
You're a smart one, you must be at least vaguely aware. Otherwise, you wouldn't be sneaking about. You *could* have openly proposed a halt to these slayings, to focus entirely on building paradise.
...
And the reason you did not do exactly that, and are instead going behind their backs... Is because you realize your favorite Miss Mage would choose the game over paradise.
...Ugh...
Do you know what you call someone who behaves like you're behaving?
...A traitor.

♪ BGM: DSO_Weekly Despair Magazine

You're wrong... I care about them more than anyone... They all have high hopes for me... I mean, I am the leader...
Nagisa...
Isn't it best if you just calm down a little? You can leave the rest to me.
Ugh!
Okay? I really think you should.
...D-Dammit!



And Nagisa bails, finding it impossible to compete with Nagito Being Nagito.



...
Wh-What are you talking about?
I must admit, I am a little disappointed. When I heard that she was his little sister, I was intrigued...
His...? Makoto? Do you know him?
Now listen, since I've planned the game out this far... I would like it to be completed.
Of course, perhaps I am being somewhat unfair to you, Komaru. Rather, the one who disappointed me was Toko.
Huh?
...Ugh!
Now perhaps I am mistaken, but I believe we made a promise. You were to escort her to headquarters.
Promise? E-Escort...? What are you talking about?
...
Oh, I really think it should be Toko who answers that question. But if you continue to be silent, the story cannot progress. So I will speak.
I made a deal with Toko. If she escorts you to the children's main base, I will release Byakuya Togami. Consider it exchanging hostages. The plan was to trade you and Byakuya.
...What? What are you talking about?
And it was such a good deal, too... Why did it have to come to this?



...
If you believe it to be a lie, think back on when you two first met...



♪ BGM: Ghost Stories From the School District of Revolution







L-Lies! You're lying...
...
I went through considerable trouble making sure you would complete this little game. Returning the Hacking Gun you had lost, having the Monokuma Kids deliver items... That was me.
Consider it "game balance," as they say. You've thought about it before, I'm sure. Why enemies conveniently drop items, why the path you must travel on to advance is always clear... The game began as a way for the children to have fun, but it was also a game to help you grow.
And I am the one who made it that way.
Wh-Why me...?
Hm? You mean, why was I so particular about choosing you? Well, that is all your brother's fault, of course.
Makoto?

♪ BGM: DSO_Ocean Breeze Dead End

He defeated Junko Enoshima, the one I truly hate... And I wasn't there to witness it. That's why, this time around... I wanted to see the action up close. And not only that. Unlike him, an Ultimate, you are a normal girl who can't do anything...
That was particularly compelling. Her brother, a hero, the Symbol of Hope. The little sister, utterly boring by comparison... If someone like you were to stand against despair...that would bring hope to the people.









If my assumptions are correct... You will release a light even brighter than his. And in order for that to happen, I need you to participate in my game.
Through the game, you will grow, defeat the Final Boss, and become the hope for this town. That's why it would be quite disappointing if you give up halfway through.



Alright, yeah, Nagito's on usual form again.

What do you mean? I'm...hope? I don't understand what you mean at all...

And Komaru once again doesn't know what the gently caress.

Ah, I see, so you still don't understand. I blame myself, I should have been more enthusiastic.
But regardless... I truly do believe in you.
No matter how big the despair... Hope will always win in the end. That is why I feel no remorse becoming despair myself.
Y-You're just as crazy as those kids... You must be insane!
Who cares about me? The more important thing is what you two are going to do now.
I mean, now that Toko's lie has been uncovered...



...
What he's saying, it's a lie...right? That I'm...gonna be traded for Byakuya... And you've been lying this whole time... That's... That's got to be a lie, right?
...
Answer me, Toko!



♪ BGM: DSO_Desire for Execution...

What...?
All this time I was protecting you and cheering you up...
It was all for the sake of Master Byakuya!
Toko...
That's right. I was deceiving you. And you just kept relying on me! "Toko, Toko!" Trusting me like an idiot... It's your fault.
I... I believed in you...
W-Well you shouldn't have done that!
Why would you believe in me!? I have a split personality with a serial killer! I'm abnormal! A-All my life, nobody...even tried to trust me. It's always been like that. That's why...I've never had a problem lying to people.



Toko...
From the very start, I hated you! Just being with you was insufferable!
Lies... It's all lies...
I'm not lying! It's the truth! I tricked you from the start! You were a fool not to realize it! You're just a stupid idiot who got set up by the coward Toko Fukawa! Simple as that!



If you put it like that, she will be even *more* motivated to leave you behind, will she not?
If you want to stop her, you've got to try harder. Byakuya is important to you, right?
... Guess there's no other way... By force if I have to...
...Force?



♪ BGM: Monster That Shouts Its Love in the Middle of Hell





Toko!?





Well then. This boss fight is, uh, different. Different in that I have no real idea how to legit beat it again. I mean, the basic idea is simple - dodge Jack's attacks until she jumps onto one of the lanterns nearby. There, she'll give herself a shock with the stun gun, which restores her battery meter / health. You prevent that by shooting the stun gun with a Break shot. Then it's just a matter of repeating the process until her health runs out completely.

There's just one problem - Jack is way faster than you, especially when she uses the drill attack, which closes distance even faster.



So my solution is to just use the tipped over shrine. Jack has some difficulties figuring out how to work around this obstacle, which gives you the slight advantage you need to keep from getting attacked.



So from then on it's just shooting the stun gun a bit and trying to not get smacked the gently caress up.



Trying. Sometimes it doesn't quite work out.



Still, we manage to tire Jack out and get out of the situation mostly untouched.



♪ BGM: DSO_All All Apologies





Oh...I lost consciousness... That means... I must have lost. I-If that's the case, I can't stop you now. Hurry up and run...
...
Wh-What are you doing!? If you don't hurry, next time I really will take you by force.
...You did it on purpose, didn't you? You lost on purpose.
...Huh?
You lost on purpose, so you can let me go. Right? Saying cruel things to me, and attacking me without warning... It was an act, wasn't it? So that I wouldn't hesitate to leave you here.
Wh-What are you talking about? Why would you think that?



♪ BGM: DSO_Welcome Despair Academy

We've been together all this time!
...
Toko... Why?
...I-If things stayed the same, you never would have made a move, would you? You always made me decide. You didn't do anything on your own.
So you...wanted to give me a chance...?
I was with you all this time, y'know. I... I know you well, too...
And also, listening to this crazy idiot's orders just makes my skin crawl... "Hope"... It sounds disgusting when you say it.
Well, that is completely understandable. But are you really okay with this...? If Miss Komaru runs away, the safety of the hostage cannot be guaranteed...
...



♪ BGM: DSO_Ocean Breeze Dead End

Well, personally, if it's for the sake of the game... Byakuya Togami is important to you, is he not? Then allow me to lend a hand.



See? You'll still make it if you go now.



And so Toko gets peppered.



Toko!
Don't come near me!



Run!



Achoo!





Tadaaa!



Don't get your blood on my glasses!



I'm the Cinderella of the slaughter flower garden!
Kyeeehahaha!



Please... please stop!







♪ BGM: Silence ♫





...Huh?



...Huh?



Blabbity-blah-blah-blah-blah-bleh-blah-bleh! Shut the hell up, you lanky wavy-haired bastard!



Ah, alright. Even though you two share knowledge, you don't share memories, correct? So then, you have no idea who the real enemy is. An honest mistake, I sup-
Idiot! It's no mistake.



♪ BGM: Monster That Shouts Its Love in the Middle of Hell

What I share with her isn't just knowledge... she and I also share... emotions. If we didn't, there's no way we'd both love Master.



And my emotions are telling me this: To kill you and let Dekomaru escape!



And you're something of a pretty boy yourself... so I can kill you as I like... no remorse!



Ah, I see. So you've decided to stop taking advantage of Komaru Naegi. Is that friendship?
Huh?
To travel the harsher path for the sake of protecting your friend. Such beautiful friendship. I truly think it's a splendid thing. But... aren't you a serial killer? You're an aberrant who has no problem taking lives to satiate your own lusts. For someone like that to... say things like friendship and friends, do you not find it strange? Or even shameful?



Kyeeehahaha! I can't breathe! Friendship! Friends! Kyeeehahaha!



Who're you calling my friend!



♪ BGM: Silence ♫

Huh?
No... you're my friend!



What're you doing? Let go!
No, I won't! I mean, you made a promise with Byakuya, right?



♪ BGM: DSO_Welcome Despair Academy

You said, you won't kill anyone anymore. If you keep your promise, you can be an official member of Future Foundation. That's why you... you just can't!



I never thought of... of you or Toko as abnormal, not even one bit. You're just a little strange, that's all. And even so, you are important to me! You and I are friends now, no matter what happens!



You're a precious friend and I won't let you do this!



You know... you're probably wasting your time. I mean, after all, she knows she needs to kill me. Byakuya's life is in danger as long as I'm alive. If she breaks the promise we made and lets you escape...







...I'll stay. If that's how it is...



If I stay in this city and go with her, then it's fine, right?



Hey! Do you know what the hell you're talking about? You were crying and whining about escaping earlier, remember? Now what? Did you change your mind?
I still want to escape! I'm still scared! Even now! But you feel the same way, don't you?
You were scared too, but you tried to help me escape, and hid how afraid you really were inside, didn't you?
There's no way I can run now, leaving you behind!



As expected... you just don't get it.





I betrayed you. I betrayed you, you know?



No... no, you didn't. And you're suffering from guilt, aren't you? If you're hurting...



...you can tell me.



♪ BGM: This Is the Path We Follow

I'm an unreliable, normal girl who can't do anything.



But... I can at least do normal things, right?



And it's normal for a friend to help a friend.



I'll stay. No matter how much you say no. I will definitely stay with you, alright? I've... decided.



♪ BGM: Silence ♫

Man, so annoying. All that lip-service talk that I hate, so drat irritating. Anybody can just say something.



In that case, I'm a great detective, an astronaut, a reporter, and a super-beauty!



And besides... you have absolutely no idea what I'm really like.
What do you mean?
...there's no way I'd say no.
Huh?



...rather... thanks.



Toko!







Achoo!



...Oh. So... um... about what just happened...
It... it's alright. I kinda figured out what was happening.
Huh? Really?



♪ BGM: Beautiful Days

F-Friend? The last time I was called that... was in a dream I had in grade school.
That's... pretty depressing.



Well, you're actually one of many friends that I have, so, you don't have to take it that seriously...
You bring that up now? Let me have this moment a bit longer, jeez!



Well... guess it turned out alright.



♪ BGM: Abnormality on the Girls' Front Line

To prevent that... A wound like this will not diminish my resolve. ...Though it does hurt.



All you have to do is defeat the Final Boss. You save the princess after defeating the Final Boss, right? ...In theory.
In theory...?
I was not the only one who came up with the plan to take you to the children's base. I have a partner... But I'm not sure what they are planning, to be honest.
Wh-Who is that...?
There's no way I would tell you that. l have... already been disqualified from the game. But it'll be alright. No matter what kind of despair awaits you, hope will overcome it. The deeper and darker the despair...the brighter and more powerful the hope born from it.
Yeah...you're crazy alright.
You are seriously disgusting... You're like three steps below vomit in a toilet.
Anyway, all you need to do is progress forward. I will support you until the very end.
So in order to get back Byakuya, we need to stop the children's rioting, right? Then... I'll do it. There's no other choice.



♪ BGM: This Is the Path We Follow

B-But...are you sure you can do this?
There's no way I can accept leaving you behind. Thanks to you, I've come this far...
And not just that... Maybe I'm not really attached to this town, but I *will* save my friend.
Komaru...



♪ BGM: Abnormality on the Girls' Front Line

The building the children are using as a headquarters is called "Towa Hills." Marching in there with just the two of you would be a bit...suicidal. Monokumas have dug in all around Towa Hills. Even you two would have trouble with that many.
Then what do we need to do!?
Well...we could ask for help. From Shirokuma and Haiji.
Their *help*?

♪ BGM: DSO_Beautiful Dead

They want to stop the children as much as we do! Shirokuma said it too. If we work together, everyone can be saved, and everyone's happy. Right?
Wh-What? Where did that come from? Now's not the time for heroics!
But I think you and I can do it! It's going to be alright.
Ah, such splendid growth... Your world has gradually grown wider... As expected of his little sister. My judgment was indeed correct.
...
Ah, that reminds me. The Resistance base is in the sewers underground, correct? In that case, there should be an entrance to the subway if you go through the business district. As I recall, there was a blue building... If you move through there, you'll reach the base.
You're sending us on a pretty specific path. Is this also part of your scheme?
I would prefer that you think of it as "support." It *is* information that will help you...
Well, it doesn't matter what you're scheming. Master and Komaru... I'll protect them both. Even if it takes my life.



Komaru still doesn't really know what to do with the weird creepy guy with a hope fetish.

...Do your best. Defeat despair.



♪ BGM: Silence ♫

And thus, Nagito waves off Komaru and Toko as they head out again.

That's it... just a little longer.



Just a little longer, and that light of hope will swallow the despair of this place. Ahahaha... I can't wait!



Suddenly, a shadow.



It's a giant robot!



And Nagisa!



Heh... so upset over something like this. You really are a child.



♪ BGM: Wonderful Dead 004

And with that, we're back on the way out again. But this update's been going on quite a bit for just one scene - of course, given that it's a quite pivotal one, that makes sense. Next time, we'll head back into town, and we'll find Komaru back in her true element.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
So this part is neat (clothing damage aside :argh:). I had actually forgotten that was why Toko never told Komaru any details.

That said, I'm still surprised that Komaru never pressed the matter at any point after the radio tower. I guess we had to avoid bringing up the dramatic moment prematurely.

Also, classic Nagito.

Psycho Knight
Jan 19, 2017

"Being a fangame and not bound to a rating, Pokemon Reborn is able to expand more on topics such as death and the extreme dangers Pokemon could pose. These topics...are treated with the respect such a subject deserves."

Let's throw a Medicham into a volcano and make it give the T2 thumbs up!

SSNeoman posted:

I didn't really read this as abuse, just that they are okay with following Junko's plans because it helps them too.

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Yeah, it's not really airtight logic, but it's more "I'd rather be manipulated by someone who helps me get free from abuse than manipulated by someone that makes me want to kill myself".

TheMcD posted:

Pretty much. I mean, Nagisa also says that Junko "showered [them] with love and affection", and for children who to this point have basically only known horrific abuse from their parents or negligence from their school (who just stuffed them into the "problem child" class with no intentions of addressing their problems), I would figure that meeting somebody who literally pulled them from the edge of a building, gave them a dream to live for, taught them that they don't need to just take their abuse and can actually fight back, and showed them the love they never got from their family would probably make me want to deify them as well.

Sure, we know Junko is just putting on a front and doesn't actually love anything but despair, but they don't know that. For them, doing what Junko wants them to do is just repaying what she has given to them. There's a reason she's managed to create a personality cult that hosed the world up almost beyond repair.

Random side thought: You should sympathize with the Warriors of Hope at least to the point that you believe they can be redeemed - or rather deprogrammed. Why? Because that's what Makoto would believe. After all, the Warriors of Hope are basically just kid versions of the Remnants of Despair, and he managed to deprogram them in DR2 through the Neo World Program. And hey, who better to know who to believe in than the Ultimate Hope, right? And I'm sure that while the Warriors of Hope have committed an atrocity, it was at least confined to a city. The Remnants hosed up the world.

No, I'm not biased at all, why do you ask?

Just because she showed a bunch of fake compassion and used flowery language doesn't mean anything. She took advantage of a bunch of kids in a fragile state and crafted them into her personal tools that she could use to fulfill whatever sinister idea she had in mind. She deceived, manipulated, and coerced the kids into performing all of these heinous acts. She turned their suffering, hatred, and horrific pasts into fuel to get them to do what she wanted, which in turn made these kids everything they hate about the adults that abused them. Not physically harming them doesn't mean it isn't abuse. They aren't free from anything, they're just dancing in some different sicko's palm.

And no, I will not sympathize with the Warriors of Hope. As far as I'm concerned, they are long past the point of any possible redemption. They are mass murderers that reveled in the terror they were spreading and regularly tortured people. They are the ringleaders of a city-wide campaign of terror and death. They know what it is they are doing. My sympathy for them only extends to the point that they got revenge on their lovely parents or guardians for the abuse they suffered. The moment they started slaughtering innocent people, the sympathy dies. Why exactly should these kids be given the opportunity to be 'deprogrammed' or 'redeemed'? Is someone going to stand up in front of the survivors of this 'game' they were playing and tell them "Sure, these kids killed all of your loved ones in gruesome ways and totally destroyed your lives and took joy in doing it, but how about you give them a chance?"

I know it won't happen because of the type of game this is, but I'm still rooting for the survivors of the shelter to get some mob justice.

Psycho Knight fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Dec 28, 2018

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
I'm not saying the kids are in the right. Nagisa two updates ago even said "Yeah, I know we're killing innocent people, but gently caress 'em."

Just explaining the rationale of why they're okay with Junko but not other adults. Also, remember that Masaru said that he'd be willing to believe that Komaru and Toko aren't adults yet but he'd kill them before they became adults, so they might've used that weird justification for Junko too.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

I'm not saying the kids are in the right. Nagisa two updates ago even said "Yeah, I know we're killing innocent people, but gently caress 'em."

Just explaining the rationale of why they're okay with Junko but not other adults. Also, remember that Masaru said that he'd be willing to believe that Komaru and Toko aren't adults yet but he'd kill them before they became adults, so they might've used that weird justification for Junko too.

Also his feelings that they would end up just like the adults he hated.

Honestly I can't feel too much sympathy towards the Warriors of Hope, but I do feel pity.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


NO KOMARU IT IS VERY OKAY TO KILL THIS rear end in a top hat :argh: :argh: :argh:

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Psycho Knight posted:

Just because she showed a bunch of fake compassion and used flowery language doesn't mean anything. She took advantage of a bunch of kids in a fragile state and crafted them into her personal tools that she could use to fulfill whatever sinister idea she had in mind. She deceived, manipulated, and coerced the kids into performing all of these heinous acts. She turned their suffering, hatred, and horrific pasts into fuel to get them to do what she wanted, which in turn made these kids everything they hate about the adults that abused them. Not physically harming them doesn't mean it isn't abuse. They aren't free from anything, they're just dancing in some different sicko's palm.

Sure but that's the dramatic irony. We know what Junko is like but these kids either don't know or don't care about what she's like. And we, the audience, also know that this will not end well for them because lolJunko.

EDIT: whoops didn't mean to double post

quote:

And no, I will not sympathize with the Warriors of Hope. As far as I'm concerned, they are long past the point of any possible redemption. They are mass murderers that reveled in the terror they were spreading and regularly tortured people. They are the ringleaders of a city-wide campaign of terror and death. They know what it is they are doing. My sympathy for them only extends to the point that they got revenge on their lovely parents or guardians for the abuse they suffered. The moment they started slaughtering innocent people, the sympathy dies. Why exactly should these kids be given the opportunity to be 'deprogrammed' or 'redeemed'? Is someone going to stand up in front of the survivors of this 'game' they were playing and tell them "Sure, these kids killed all of your loved ones in gruesome ways and totally destroyed your lives and took joy in doing it, but how about you give them a chance?"

This, I agree with though. They went waaaaayyyyyy too far to be redeemable.

Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Dec 29, 2018

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

Now prepare yourselves! You're the guests of honor at the Greatest Kung Fu Cannibal BBQ Ever!

SSNeoman posted:

NO KOMARU IT IS VERY OKAY TO KILL THIS rear end in a top hat :argh: :argh: :argh:

Just kill the little creep yourself! That makes everyone happy, except this douchebag! Then you and Toko can bond over both being killers! It's great!

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

SSNeoman posted:

NO KOMARU IT IS VERY OKAY TO KILL THIS rear end in a top hat :argh: :argh: :argh:

Ratoslov posted:

Just kill the little creep yourself! That makes everyone happy, except this douchebag! Then you and Toko can bond over both being killers! It's great!

Please do not condone the causation of any Super High School Level Time Paradoxes.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender
Nagito's bullshit luck would probably spare his life anyway. (Not that Komaru and Toko have any reason to know that)

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.

MonsterEnvy posted:

Also his feelings that they would end up just like the adults he hated.

Honestly I can't feel too much sympathy towards the Warriors of Hope, but I do feel pity.

I think a lot of people mix up pity and sympathy. I think this article helps explains the terms, as well as other similar terms: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hide-and-seek/201505/empathy-vs-sympathy

GhostStalker
Mar 26, 2010

Guys, find a woman who looks at you the way GhostStalker looks at every bald, obese, single 58 year old accountant from Tulsa who managed to win $4,000 by not wagering on a Final Jeopardy triple stumper.

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Please do not condone the causation of any Super High School Level Time Paradoxes.

Yeah, this is pre-DR2, so Komaru needs to be alive for that.

SoundwaveAU
Apr 17, 2018

Seeing how good the in-game anime cutscenes are in this game just depresses me because of how badly Funimation hosed up the Danganronpa 3 anime.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
DR3's anime had problems, but I don't remember animation being one.

SoundwaveAU
Apr 17, 2018

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

DR3's anime had problems, but I don't remember animation being one.

I was referring to the scripting/voice acting. Funimation blatantly just didn't really care about Danganronpa as a property. It's a real bummer that they didn't really even try to make the dub good.

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
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Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.



♪ BGM: Wonderful Dead 004

Alright, the last two times we had a lot of talking. Let's have some more gameplay this time.



♪ BGM: DSO_Beautiful Dead

Yeah. We need to get there for now.



But suddenly, Monokuma kid!

Hehehe...







Oh poo poo. Komaru's fuckin' pissed that somebody dare challenge her.

Y-You can't seriously be thinking... W-Weren't we going to the subway station?
...
Well... Either way. Do whatever you want.



♪ BGM: Wonderful Dead 004

♪ Jingle: Challenge from a Child

We'll get into the particularities of this challenge a bit later - it's not something we can instantly solve anyway.



Instead, it's time for a Monoku-Man room.



♪ BGM: It's a Monokuma World



So, this is the part where the game stops loving around with the puzzles, or more precisely, there's some actual risk of loving up from now on. So let's see what we're dealing with now.



♪ Jingle: Monoku-Man Activate





This puzzle revolves around using Paralyze and the holograms to set everything up so that everything gets hit by the Paralyze shot when you hit the regular Monokuma in the middle with it. Now, the left hologram is easy - you use that to move the Guard on the bottom left into the water. The one on the right moves the Guard on the bottom right close enough to the regular Monokuma to transfer the Paralyze shock to the other water area and thus hit the Guards at the top right. The one in the middle makes it tricky - it moves the Guard on the bottom middle up, but if you just let it move, it'll move outside the water and then won't be hit by the Paralyze. So you need to time it right, which adds a fuckup risk. I screwed this one up the first time I tried it because I didn't realize you can actually move into the area - I thought that would alert some of the Guards and fail the puzzle, so I tried to set up some sort of trick shot where I hit the regular Monokuma without hitting either the Guards or the hologram generator that are blocking my shot when I'm looking at this from over at the left.



So we set the left and right ones up...



...hit the hologram generator in the middle...



...and blast the regular Monokuma with Paralyze at just the right time!





♪ Jingle: Monoku-Man Success

Success! Uh, not to spoil things, but that won't be a running theme for this update. There's a reason I pointed out that there will be fuckup hazards in the puzzles from now on.



♪ BGM: Wonderful Dead 004

This chapter also introduces something else - optional Monoku-Man puzzles. This area is not required to progress, though it's a very welcomed area.



♪ Jingle: Skill GET!

Most of the presents have Monocoins, and one has a skill for us!



More EXP! Always welcome.



And one of the present summons Monokumas, which means EXP and Monocoins, so they are presents in their own way as well!



Even if they have picked up a new trick of lunging at me to attack, which does catch me off guard.



Alright, so here's what the kid's challenge is about. Throughout the map of this area, there's these containers strewn about.



When we use Detect on it, we see a letter! Now we just need to use that information to solve the puzzle! ...OK, yeah, it's not that simple. The challenges take a hint from the Monoku-Man puzzles and also have a bit of a step up in difficulty. Komaru mentions something about the paths here being related to the puzzle.



Basically, this means "look at the map, dipshit". The correct answer here is the container in to the top right from where Komaru is right now. When we get to it (a bit later), we'll see that it has an X on it, and the roads it's on form an L if you look at it from a different angle. I'm actually kinda surprised I got this one right on my first try - I'm pretty sure that if you were to look at this longer, you could probably come up with an alternate solution that makes about as much sense.



Moving on back the path we came, we run into a Monokuma kid who has something for us!



♪ Jingle: Truth Bullet GET!

It's a Truth Bullet!



And then he just runs off again.

Is that...a new kind of bullet? This looks pretty useful.
...Yeah, you're right.



It appears you have obtained Burn. Burn is a Truth Bullet that, y'know, burns off Monokuma's generator device. It has a high rate of fire, so it's perfect for shooting at enemies who move swiftly. It's downright awesome against those Beast Monokumas. I think it would also be really good against enemies who are running straight at you... Go try it out!

Burn, Towa City, burn - I smell a riot goin' on, first they're Demons, now they're gone.

So yeah, like the tutorial says, Burn is basically rapid-fire Break without the ability to score Nice Hits. Can be useful in tight spots.



Also, some Bling Bullet usage can basically double the damage each shot does, which given the firing rate is very effective. If I wasn't fixated on Nice Shots, this would be a primary option for taking out enemies, particularly annoying ones like Junk Monokumas or Beasts, like the tutorial mentioned.





Heading further down the road triggers a cutscene!



It's a new enemy type!



Destroyer Monokumas are a fairly simple enemy type. They fly around and shoot poo poo in your general direction. They also suicide dive into you if you hit them with a shot that doesn't kill them and give them enough time to start the attack. It doesn't happen here because they're kind enough to just stay still and let me line up Nice Shots, but it really catches me off guard later on.



With them dealt with, we continue exploring the area, and find a collectible!







♪ BGM: DSO_Beautiful Dead

Even with the S&M bits, it's beneath me. It's probably just some sloppily-written, wish-fulfillment fanfiction garbage.
Oh I'm sure it's not going to be *that* bad...
No, it's definitely going to be *that* bad. I can feel the lack of talent from here. Any book with a title this bad has to be just as bad on the inside!
Well, if the Ultimate Writing Prodigy says it, I'm sure it's true...
A tasty subject like S&M, boiled down to this crap... A true masochist like me would do better. How did this even get published? They must *really* be getting desperate to put this out.
Hey... As a um, "true masochist"... Have you ever had that kind of experience?
What, like being tied up or suspended? Th-There's no way I'd do such...indecent things!
But then how do you know you're a masochist if you've never done that stuff before? Isn't that like someone saying they love cigarettes, but they've never smoked before?
You underestimate my imagination. Every spare moment I'm being stepped on, tied up, suspended by my Master... In my head.
...You sound pretty proud about that.
But that reminds me, one time, I was really tied up and suspended.
Huh!? By Byakuya!?
No... I don't even remember his name now. It was when I was in 3rd grade. Someone's lunch money got stolen, and it somehow ended up in my desk. My classmates thought I did it, so they tied me up to the jungle gym with a garden hose.
That's horrible...
At the time, I felt a...tingling sensation... But I'm sure that's not related.
No, that *definitely* sounds like a formative experience!



♪ BGM: Wonderful Dead 004

Next, we head through a side street with another shift in style, going to high-contrast black and white buildings.



Heading through that, we get to a different area, which first gives us another collectible.





Well, looks like Towa City got caught with their pants down.



That area leads back to the side streets, and brings us to a collectible and a Monoku-Man room. First, the collectible.







♪ BGM: DSO_Beautiful Dead

...That's right, it's my novel. Got a problem with that?
No, not at all! I'm really impressed! I've read this! It was sad, and really good too! I can't believe it, you were the writer of So Lingers!
So Lingers? You're abbreviating the title of the book I wrote to my face? And of *course* it's really good, who do you think wrote it!?
A-As expected of the Ultimate Writing Prodigy, you sure have confidence...
But I mean, if you can write a beautiful romance like this, you can definitely marry Byakuya!
Don't be an idiot! What's written in there is pure fantasy! There's no way I can act like that in reality!
...Oh, really?
What I write in my novels is my idea of an ideal world. Because I know it will never be reality, I have to write it in fiction.
So you write it because you can't have it? But don't most writers write from experience?
Not necessarily. My theory is that happy people can only write happy, shallow novels. But the downtrodden can vividly imagine their ideal world, perfectly envision true beauty... And that's the spirit that I put into my novels.
Well, I kinda get that... But I kinda don't.
But based on my theory, I wonder if I can keep writing interesting novels...
Hm? What do you mean?
L—Like I said, I'm concerned! If I have a friend like you, and I'm happy...
So you mean... Making friends with me made you a little happier?
What!?
N-No, there's no way a crybaby schoolgirl like you could actually interfere with my writing! You underestimate the intensity of my novels!
But you said it yourself...
Well, if you're that confident... I'm sure you'll be just fine.

Next, let's check out the Monoku-Man room.



♪ BGM: It's a Monokuma World



Alright, this is the part where I start loving up.



♪ Jingle: Monoku-Man Activate



This one is relatively simple in theory. The Bombers move from left to right so there's always two on one side and one on the other. The trick is to hit the single one with Dance when it's at the left side, then wait until the other two move to the left. Hit the single one with Break so it blows up, that blows the other Bombers towards the Destroyers and kills all of them in one clean shot.



I actually did all that just fine, but the problem is I did it from the front, which means the Destroyers spotted me, and that apparently just straight fails the puzzle, even if I did kill everything with a single explosion. Oh well. We'll just have to redo this on the second run through the chapter. I couldn't be arsed with retries this time around given that I was pretty sure I would probably fail a few of these puzzles (turns out, I was right).



♪ BGM: Wonderful Dead 004

This area also has a collectible for us.



It's another Hit List entry! Probably not hard to figure out who this one belongs to. This area also has a barrier we can blow up with a kindly provided Bomber, letting us go back to where we were before and head to another part we haven't explored yet.



♪ BGM: We Can't Change The World

Even if they were, would it matter? Even if their parents were murdered, it doesn't give them the right to kill people.
You're right... No matter the reason, this just... It's unforgivable.
And not just that... It's peculiar. I don't doubt the ringleaders had terrible childhoods... But I can't think of any reason for all these other kids to suddenly be motivated to kill.
So...why are the other children going along with this?
I have a bad feeling about this...



♪ BGM: Wonderful Dead 004

Next stop, a nearby Monoku-Man room.



♪ BGM: It's a Monokuma World



This one is one where I just didn't have the slightest clue how to make it work when I was playing.



♪ Jingle: Monoku-Man Activate



We have some regular Monokumas, some Guards and a Siren. The Siren is the only one looking at the hologram to the right, and we also have a car. I think the idea here is you move the Siren over with the hologram, then Move the car to open up the regular Monokumas, hit the Siren with Dance to get all the Monokumas to move over, with the regular Monokumas being near the Siren and the Guards standing on the water next to the car. Then you shoot the Siren with Paralyze and it should be able to hit everything.



I did not do that, and things did not go well. Oh well.



♪ BGM: Wonderful Dead 004

However, after the puzzle area, we find the correct container for the challenge. It's one that has an X...



...and it's also with the letter that looks like L on the map. Kinda. Close enough. Let's open it up!



♪ BGM: We Can't Change The World

Ha! I believe I can handle this riddle myself!
...Well, good, because I wasn't planning on helping anyway.



♪ BGM: Wonderful Dead 004

♪ Jingle: Skill GET!

Our reward is a gold Monocoin and a skill.



More mobility in combat. Neat!



Moving through the side streets again, we find the way we're actually supposed to take to get to that blue building. We get some Junk Monokumas dumped into our path just for the hell of it, and they get shocked to death.



Also, a collectible!





Well, that's not very nice.



Our path to the blue building leads through another Monoku-Man room.



♪ BGM: It's a Monokuma World



Now, this one I just straight hosed up.



♪ Jingle: Monoku-Man Activate



This is an amped up version of the "find the kid" puzzle from before. We have four small areas with places where the kid could be, and Beasts are patrolling. The top left and bottom right area are being patrolled by a Beast moving left to right, and two Beasts are going around the entire area, stopping for a bit after passing through the two areas on one side.



♪ BGM: Absolute Despair Girl

I'm sure there is a simple pattern to get through this, but I just wasn't in the right mindset when I was recording this, I guess. Oh well, another one for the pile of "poo poo we'll have to go through in the cleanup update".



After a bunch of ammo wasting, we take out all of the Beasts and are allowed to move on to the blue building.



♪ BGM: Wonderful Dead 004

This will bring us to the subway, but before that, we have a shop!



♪ BGM: It's a Kids' World



We buy everything!

And that'll be it for this update. Next time, we head down into the subway, and Komaru tries to take her friendship with Toko to another level.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

TheMcD posted:

Even with the S&M bits, it's beneath me. It's probably just some sloppily-written, wish-fulfillment fanfiction garbage.

And yet it'll get three movies. Somehow. :smith:

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Honestly Komaru is great. She's really cheery given the circumstances and she just rolls with everything.

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
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Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

SSNeoman posted:

Honestly Komaru is great. She's really cheery given the circumstances and she just rolls with everything.

Komaru is one of my main reasons why I love this game so much, and why I think it's the best in the entire series. She runs circles around the other protagonists in sheer like- and relatability.

Her relationship with Toko also makes for the most interesting duo in the entire series - though I guess they have an inherent advantage due to having more time dedicated to them than any other duo in the series. Still, the two work incredibly well together, with Toko's standoffishness and feeling of superiority towards Komaru playing a great foil to Komaru's general obliviousness and straight up dorkiness. The scene we just had at the secret passageway is also great - it might seem a little cliched, but I think it works really well with Komaru, particularly because she feels so genuine.

Komaru's awesome. Not as awesome as Monaca, but hey, that's just me talking.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Komaru owns because she doesn't care at all about making some kids cry when she tells them that their puzzle game is weak.

cdyoung
Mar 2, 2012

Junpei posted:

Kotoko: Used in child pornography

No it's slightly worse that that, since her nickname was Ms. drama, she was also a child Television star. her mother was her manager, her pimp and her fellow solicitor,. all for a deadbeat husband who was cheating on her with his assistant in his dead end dentistry job.

All of the parents in the kids backstories are horrible. abusive assholes, hut Kotoko's mother is special in the fact that she was just as broken as her daughter was and still went through with it anyway.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Nagisa's parents are probably the worst. Deliberately torturing their child and using him as a guinea pig to see how far a child develops when pushed to the breaking point.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Hope's Peak Academy is screwed up from top to bottom.

Even Jin was on bad terms with Kyoko and they have the least unsettling relationship involving someone on the school staff.

Let's not forget that they decided to experiment on Hinata's brain and turn him into the SHSL Nihilist.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Hope's Peak Academy is screwed up from top to bottom.

Even Jin was on bad terms with Kyoko and they have the least unsettling relationship involving someone on the school staff.

Let's not forget that they decided to experiment on Hinata's brain and turn him into the SHSL Nihilist.

Well the plan was not for him to become a nihilist. It just turns out that being amazing at everything, down to being able to predict nearly any event is really boring. Particularly when all aspects of your personality got ripped out.

Solitair
Feb 18, 2014

TODAY'S GONNA BE A GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY!!!

TheMcD posted:

Komaru is one of my main reasons why I love this game so much, and why I think it's the best in the entire series. She runs circles around the other protagonists in sheer like- and relatability.

That's gonna give me plenty to think about. Of course, I'll probably still like V3 the best at the end of the day, and not just because it has the least amount of bad, but UDG does give Komaru some unique opportunities to develop via one-on-one interaction with Toko.


Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Hope's Peak Academy is screwed up from top to bottom.

Even Jin was on bad terms with Kyoko and they have the least unsettling relationship involving someone on the school staff.

Let's not forget that they decided to experiment on Hinata's brain and turn him into the SHSL Nihilist.

DR3 spoiler: The fact that Makoto and company rebuild Hope's Peak after the dust settles bothers me more than anything else in that show.

GeminiSun
Feb 16, 2011




Solitair posted:

DR3 spoiler: The fact that Makoto and company rebuild Hope's Peak after the dust settles bothers me more than anything else in that show.

Same. Like, did you all learn NOTHING? I don't care if you think you can do it better! It's not a good idea!

cdyoung
Mar 2, 2012

GeminiSun posted:

Same. Like, did you all learn NOTHING? I don't care if you think you can do it better! It's not a good idea!

Well, to be fair to the survivors, they probably won't vette anyone who show signs of being a psychopathic nutjob unlike Jin who wanted to research Despair as a potential useful skill and then accidentally let it snowball out of his control.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
I'm going to wait until the Let's Watch to comment on those things.

Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Dec 30, 2018

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

cdyoung posted:

Well, to be fair to the survivors, they probably won't vette anyone who show signs of being a psychopathic nutjob unlike Jin who wanted to research Despair as a potential useful skill and then accidentally let it snowball out of his control.

I don't think Jin did that from what I recall

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
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Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

Guys.

C'mon.

Stop.

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
---------
Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.



♪ BGM: Wonderful Dead 004

Alright, time to head back into the subway.



♪ BGM: DSO_Beautiful Dead



To find the base, we have to find somewhere we can get into the sewer.
Hey, Komaru... Before we do that, there's something I want to know...
Hm? What about?
U-Um...you said...I'm...your friend?
I did say that. Why do you ask?
B-But, I've been thinking it over, and I have to tell you, my number one is still Master.
Um...okay?
But something like that... That's no good, right? Thinking you're...not as important as someone?
Toko... Do you know what friends are?
D-Don't patronize me! It's a relationship where people talk about love, and go eat sweets together on weekends... Become estranged when one of them gets a lover... Then, they learn to move past it, and have a--
W-Well, that's kinda right, but... Friends are more like...
Wh-What?
...Never mind. I dunno.
What the hell!? Talk to me, here!
Well, I don't think you have to really define it right now...just act like you normally do.
B-But...that's just... It's hard for me to accept it. I-It doesn't...feel real.
A-Am I annoying, Komaru? The way I am now... Don't I annoy you? I-I couldn't be friends...
Well, how about this...? Can I call you "Toki"?
...Who the hell is that?
It'll be your nickname!
Oh... I... I've never been called by a nickname before... Well, other than insults...
Never? Not even as a kid?
Well...I hope we get along together, Toki!



♪ BGM: DSO_Junk Food for a Dashing Youth

What happened, Toki? Are you okay, Toki?
Gah...i-it's fine... I will withstand it! I will go through this horrible friendship ritual!
Now, say it again! Say it one more time! I will not retreat!
...Toki.
Ugh! N-No! No, it's... It's too much!
...Never mind. I'm just gonna call you "Toko" again.
Y-Yes, thank you. The friendship was far too intense...

Toko's going to need some time to get used to this whole "friendship" idea.



♪ BGM: Wonderful Dead 004

Moving on, let's explore this subway.



We find ourselves stymied by a wall...



...but there's a collectible!









♪ BGM: DSO_Beautiful Dead

Wh-What brought this on?
The 3rd volume of "The Bomb" is so good, I gotta talk about it! But are you okay with spoilers?
Okay, how many times do I have to tell you? I have no interest in manga at all.
So Yoko, the girl from the 2nd volume, tries to stop Yume from giving in to despair. And she says this... Oh, it's so beautiful...
I'm tearing up just remembering it...
Oh Yumi, Yoko... I'm so happy for you...
Hey, Komaru! Come back to reality!
Huh? Did you...? You stopped calling me "Omaru"?
O-Oh, did I? Y-You're probably just mistaken.
No, I heard right! I tried to call you Toki, and you knew that and tried to call me by my name, right?
Wh-What, you got a problem with that? You think I'm too gloomy to have a character arc!?
No, it's not that at all... It just makes me really happy. Thanks, Toki.
Ughhhhhh!
S-Sorry! That slipped out on accident!
You're doing it on purpose, aren't you!?



♪ BGM: We Can't Change The World

Upon exiting the room, we find another Monokuma kid!

Y-Yeah...

What's in it?



♪ Jingle: Truth Bullet GET!

The final truth bullet!



Looks like you picked up Link. Link is a Truth Bullet that can control Monokumas by taking over their cyberbrains. It's not really fit for combat, but that doesn't mean you can't put it to good use.



Also, you can release a Link with the C Key. Now your "Hacking Gun" can actually hack things! Use it lots!



♪ BGM: Wonderful Dead 004

Well, before that, we have somebody to talk to here.



♪ BGM: We Can't Change The World

...What did you do...?
I killed a child and destroyed a Monokuma all by myself! Towa is safe now! There's no need to hide anymore!
...
You no longer need to worry about your families and friends being killed! You no longer need to see others killed! Hahaha, you should all be grateful! Cry in tears of joy that I've saved you all!
...She's completely gone.
My husband and daughter didn't die in vain! Thanks to them, I know Monokuma's weakness! Their deaths have been avenged!
I think it's best to just...leave her be.
Yeah... Sometimes its better not to wake up from a dream.



♪ BGM: Wonderful Dead 004

Now, let's take Link for a spin.



When you hit a Monokuma with it, you can then control it and use its attack. There's a time limit for how long you can control it.



In this case, we just have to dump the Bomber in front of the broken part of the wall.



Then we can blow the wall up by killing the Bomber.



And we can move on!



Next stop, the subway.



A subway with sparkles!



♪ Jingle: Hidden Kids Discovered!

Huh. So that means I missed both Jataro and Kotoko. Well, nothing to be done about that now.



While making our way through the trains and the rails, we find another collectible!



I... uh... huh. This is one weird kids' book.





Whoa there, Toko. Watch the fourth wall.



Next stop, another Monoku-Man puzzle room.



♪ BGM: It's a Monokuma World





♪ Jingle: Monoku-Man Activate

This is a relatively simple one.







Basically, we need some Link usage here. We move the Siren over to the one side of the breakable wall. We then use Dance on the Siren, that attracts the Destroyers and the Bomber to the same spot, then blow up the Bomber, which then blows up the rest.



Like so!



♪ Jingle: Monoku-Man Success



♪ BGM: Wonderful Dead 004

Next up, I get to experience the suicide dive attack the Destroyers have.



It can really catch you off guard when you're not expecting it.



Especially when it happens twice in a row.



Next up, we have another collectible.





The adults want to murder the kids. Nothing new there I guess.



Another collectible!







...hrm.



Another Monoku-Man room!



♪ BGM: It's a Monokuma World



♪ Jingle: Monoku-Man Activate





This one I screwed up at the beginning because I had no idea what I was supposed to do. I didn't notice the cracks in the floor. I first thought this was some sort of "blow up all the Bombers with one shot" thing, so I first just moved the Bomber on the right close to the others and blew it up. Instead, you're supposed to move the Bomber on the right to the crack in the floor on the left, then blow up the one you can still shoot at on the right.



Like so.



♪ Jingle: Monoku-Man Success

That clears the challenge...



...and causes a large area to just break off and fall down.



♪ BGM: We Can't Change The World

...You're awfully excited by all that destruction. You're actually a terrifying woman deep down...
Toko, look!



Let's go and check it out!



♪ BGM: DSO_Beautiful Dead

Y-Yeah, but... Do you really intend to go back to those guys? We're...fugitives, y'know? If we go back there, we'll be captured with no questions asked.
Well, maybe... But maybe not.
Which one is it!?
If we explain ourselves, I'm sure they'll understand! We have the same goal! We all want to stop those out-of-control kids, right?
And if it's for that cause, I bet they'll lend us a hand. And they'll rescue Byakuya, too!
Wow... You've changed quite a bit.
You really think those spineless cowards are going to risk it and cooperate with us?
It will be fine! I'm more of a coward than they are, but I'm still doing my best!
Well...if you say so. I believe you.
Gehe...gehehehe... A-After all we're...friends.
...You look really scary when you say that.
Wh-What do you mean I'm scary!?
F-Fine, be that way. Let's just hurry up and get over there.
Hey, wait, Toko! I was just kiddiiing!



♪ BGM: Like I Would Become A Monster



Next, we cut back to the Warriors of Hope's base, where Nagisa has Nagito tied up, and he's probably not very happy with him. As an aside, this is one of my two most favorite scenes in the game. It will probably become apparent why. I very highly recommend watching this one.



It's no use acting like you don't know! I heard it all!
...



Confess! You were lying to us the whole time!
Ha... Ahahah...



Like cookies, glassware, the window at that girl you like's house... More than plenty, dammit!
Sh-Shut up! We swore to make this town into a paradise! We promised that we'd change history! And this...guy...interfered.
Changin' history!? I dunno, you seem pretty *hysterical* enough to me!
I mean, what the hell's with you, Nagisa? What's up *your* rear end? Y'know what, actually, don't answer that. I wanna keep the ratings down.
Hahahaha!
Didn't I tell you to shut up!?



Ogeeerooo!
Oooh, so scary! And what are you going to do about me?
Th-This is your fault... It's your fault it's your fault it's your fault!
IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!



♪ BGM: Ghost Stories From the School District of Revolution

...Huh? M-Monaca!? What did you say!?
Ahem, liiike I said, I was the one who asked Mister Servant to help me.
Wh-What did you tell him to do?
I asked him to bring Miss Komaru Naegi all the way back here.
Y-You're lying, right? Th-This is...some kind of joke, right?
Sorry, it's the truuuth!
Lies! Why? Why would you do something like that!?
Oh, that's too bad. No matter how smart you might be, you still don't understand it, hm?
But I guess that's to be expected. I never gave you a proper explanation.
E—Explanation? What are you talking about? What needs explaining? We're going to make a paradise, right? And... And that's why we caused this revolution, right?
Sorryyy, Monaca doesn't care about paradise or anything like thaaat.
...What?
Oh, I guess you can say that the paradise I want and the one you want are different things.
I have no interest whatsoever in a paradise where kids can live peacefully.
S-Stop kidding around, Monaca! What the heck is this?
Sorry, but this is all for the sake of the successor to Junko Enoshima.
Huh? Successor...?
Yes, the 2nd generation of Big Sis Junko. That's what I'm after.
My aim is different from Mister Servant's. But we agreed to work together at the beginning.
So don't get so jealous, Nagisa...
I-I don't understand... What are you talking about, Monaca?
It's fine, it's fine... You just have to keep doing your best for my sake.



...Huh?



♪ BGM: DSO_Ocean Breeze Dead End

Mmm...chu...mmm...



Wh-What are you doing?
You love Monaca, right? You can't live without Monaca, riiight? You love me sooo much, sometimes you even have perverted thoughts about me, riiight?
S-Stop... Please, stop!
You're glad you got to kiss Monaca, right? If you work hard, I can do other things too, y'know...





You have such a hard time, everyone has high expectations of you because you're so smart. And you even have high expectations for yourself. And you're always suffering from that, right?
I said, don't come near meee!



So Nagisa just straight slaps Monaca across the face.



She doesn't exactly seem fazed by it, though.

...What?
From the very start I never expected anything of you. That’s why I kept the Successor a secret. After all, you're just a weak, weak little child that no one expects anything from.
I-I said get back!



At this point, he just starts slapping her repeatedly. She, again, doesn't really react.

Maybe it was all a misunderstanding.
Don't come near me! Get back, get back!



Seriously...



But...
Monaca loves how uncool and worthless you are, Nagisa!





♪ BGM: Silence ♫

Chu...mmm...mmm...
Mmm...mmmnnn...



For Monaca's sake... Kill all the adults. Risk your life for Monaca.
Isn't that nice, Nagisa?



Aaaand his mind's completely hosed.

That will be it for this little interlude, and this update as well. Next time, we'll rejoin Komaru and Toko on their way to the resistance base and see what awaits them there this time.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

TheMcD posted:

You love Monaca, right? You can't live without Monaca, riiight?

Looking forward to the next update of This IT Startup Is Making A Killing - Danganronpa: Toki Toki Literature Club.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Monaca was nicknamed "Pickle Satan" or "Satan in a wheelchair" by a number of people when the game come out. I can't imagine why!


Toko's face. :allears:

Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Dec 30, 2018

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
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Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

If I'm not mistaken, Monaca was nicknamed "Pickle Satan" or "Satan in a wheelchair" by a number of people when the game come out. I can't imagine why!

"Green Satan" is the nickname I was familiar with, myself. There is a constant here.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Nagisa wants off Monaca's Wild Ride

curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?
"Monaca's Wild Ride" is just what they call her wheelchair

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Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Oh. Well, now it makes sense why all the Monokids started booing when the boss fight banter veered over to making a paradise for kids. Whatever's running them, it's obviously more closely related to Monaca than anything else.

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