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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

feedmegin posted:

Not really 'less powerful'. The cruiser tanks were the ones with high velocity AT guns designed to fight enemy tanks. They proved to be undergunned for that over time, but so did everyone's tanks, and being AT specialised they had poo poo or no HE to use vs infantry, but situationally you might well prefer one to an infantry tank if you were facing enemy armour.

Note too that cruiser tanks resulted from cavalry types thinking 'what the hell do we replace horses with' - they make a fair amount of sense at first sight in that context.

Yeah, a big problem with the Churchill was that it was too narrow to have a usefully large gun, meaning that it was not only a barely-mobile brick of a tank, it wasn't even a particularly dangerous one. We only got a halfway-decent tank with the Cromwell/Comet series, with the only slight problem being that they were made of poorly-angled paper. And then we made the Centurion, and blew everyone else's poo poo out of the water.

Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Dec 29, 2018

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Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/thesundaypeople/status/1079124603908296704

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
All hierarchies are bad.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
Not if you're at the top.

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy

Guavanaut posted:

All hierarchies are bad.
:agreed:

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

mehall posted:

Pixel, especially the XL, is a bad example as the numbers are kinda low and Google won't give much of a bulk discount I'm betting, but on average you're right, you don't get a subsidy.
What you do get, however, is basically a 2 year interest free loan for the phone. The 769 you paid doesn't include a phone plan, whereas the 980 does, so it just depend on if you think the minutes and data included for £111 is worth it or not.



E; the numbers don't always line up, so its always worth checking, and it's nice having a lower monthly cost so my plan is to buy outright and go sim only next time, but I've done the sums a ton of times - I used to work in Vodafone retail, and breaking out the costs like this helped a lot of people justify spending more than they'd planned.
(I only did it if the better phone was actually worth it, we mostly didn't get targeted on what kind of contract you sold to non business customers)

The 980 was excluding the phone plan, that was the price from the tiny tiny print on the website. Mind you probably the main reason they don't get subsidised these days is because the plans themselves are so loving cheap, I really should shop round a bit as I assumed my £15/month 5GB plan was a good deal.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Not if you're at the top.

There's actually a lot of evidence that the more unequal a society is, the more unhappy people are across the entire spectrum, the theory being that people on top of the hierarchy just compare themselves to other people at the top.

Hierarchy and inequality are bad even if you're actually benefiting from it.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

MikeCrotch posted:

There's actually a lot of evidence that the more unequal a society is, the more unhappy people are across the entire spectrum, the theory being that people on top of the hierarchy just compare themselves to other people at the top.

Hierarchy and inequality are bad even if you're actually benefiting from it.

So you're saying I need to be top of the top?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Let me tell you about lobsters.

Fumble
Sep 4, 2006


I was in the Air Cadets in the mid 90's and didn't think anything of it at the time. But looking back my Squadron was rife with older NCO's with cars that use to date 14-15 year old cadets and often sleep in the same tent on camps.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

MikeCrotch posted:

There's actually a lot of evidence that the more unequal a society is, the more unhappy people are across the entire spectrum, the theory being that people on top of the hierarchy just compare themselves to other people at the top.

Hierarchy and inequality are bad even if you're actually benefiting from it.

I can actually believe this. My brother-in-law wound me up at Christmas by making me watch this documentary about the kids of billionaires and how this one family spent some stupendous amount of money on helicoptering in Santa and having like three different creative directors for their Christmas celebration, and at no point did anyone seem to be having even the slightest amount of fun.

In fact I think I've seen it a little bit in mine and my family's lives - one year I realised I'd spent like £1500 on presents for my family and none of them were actually... like.. any good. Now I have a fairly strict policy of never spending more than a tenner on a single present (although I buy a lot more of them) and because that forces me to put a lot more thought into things I'm a lot happier with the results.

(Oh and I know I missed my chance of filling in the thread on what presents I got but I was too busy not telling my 10-year-old nephew why "Betty Swollocks" was so funny, so here goes: particular highlights were a GCHQ puzzle book and a Breaking Bad cook book (not that sort of cooking, alas), and a Melodica which I suspect was actually an assassination attempt from my niece - a drunk person teaching themselves a wind instrument is like a kind of remote-activated knockout game)

Lobster God
Nov 5, 2008
:lol:

https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1079118025423499264?s=19

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
You have to spend more on presents if you don't have emotional or whatever connection to your family. Like my mum's favourite present was the Xmas radio times. Not the iPhone.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007


Humiliation for Loser Lib Dems.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling




Lib Dem HQ: "But... but Vince wears a hat! What else do they want?!"

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

Seems like Labour both ate part of the Lib Dem youth vote and inspired a lot of young non-voters.

The Conservative share held pretty solid. I guess young Tories are all still fine because they're rich cunts ;)

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction

Sadly it was impossible to know beforehand that specifically loving over your own voters once you get into power is a bad idea.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

No, student! Fee increases!

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Braggart posted:

Seems like Labour both ate part of the Lib Dem youth vote and inspired a lot of young non-voters.

The Conservative share held pretty solid. I guess young Tories are all still fine because they're rich cunts ;)

The Lib Dems are a dead party walking because they've both killed their vital pipeline of student voters and are no longer the 2nd opposition party in huge chunks of their former territory like the South-West, and are never going to recover because they don't think there's a problem and are going bankrupt

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund
What happens if/when the Lib dems go bankrupt and how likely is that to happen soon?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I would expect you'll just see them contesting fewer and fewer seats and losing more and more ground. Until they're a vestigial organ consisting of vince cable's hat controlling the brain of some random nerd. Despite this the guardian will claim they are the real opposition.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
And then the Real Opposition sends him back in time to prevent the failure of the Lib Dems, but because they can never cognise what that was he just becomes the m'ladies meme.

Seaside Loafer
Feb 7, 2012

Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Katt posted:

I love the concept of Sunless Sea. Now if only I could get further than 15 minutes in before running out of supplies or fuel etc.

It was the same problem I had with FTL. I love having my own ship to build on and improve. But I want to work on it for 5-6 hours not have the game run out in a few minutes.
Try and score enough cash to get at least the townhouse to start off with and stick heirlooms in it so your next guy has some extra starting float. Always add to the starting float. Also visit the pub in london to get off with some spy women who will have your child which lets you have 2 legacy's instead of the normal 1. Try and complete the complex quest for the momento mori and you can carry that over to next captain. Pretty soon you can start with the best gun and buy the best deck gun and buy a corvette immediately on your rebirth! There are a bunch of other carry over stat upgrades as well, most of them involve ending your game though so you need to pick a good time.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Guavanaut posted:

Let me tell you about lobsters.

Go on

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

I'm awfully suspicious of the account called "stats for lefties" with "2+2=5" in the avatar. Is this a piss take?

Ronnie
May 13, 2009

Just in case.

UnlimitedSpessmans posted:

Went out last night in Middlesbrough and heard two separate instances of people singing "oh Jeremy Corbyn"

I'm really sorry that you had to go out for a night in Boro, I'm glad you're safe. In which pizza/parmo shop did you hear this glorious singing comrade?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
They produce a hormone called petersonin which means that sexism is natural and denying me a job is a postmodern conspiracy.
Stand up straight and buy my book.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I was very displeased that on the train home I noticed a big sign for that pillock's book in darlington station.

Lobster God
Nov 5, 2008

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

I'm awfully suspicious of the account called "stats for lefties" with "2+2=5" in the avatar. Is this a piss take?

Nah, the source and associated blog seem sincere and are well sourced.

For the specific sources for that tweet: https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1079119670987448325?s=19

The account is also taking apart a couple of fubpees in the comments.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
Grimey Drawer
But... why lobsters? Why not an animal from the same phylum as us? Why does he sound like that. Why?

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost

Seaside Loafer posted:

Try and score enough cash to get at least the townhouse to start off with and stick heirlooms in it so your next guy has some extra starting float. Always add to the starting float. Also visit the pub in london to get off with some spy women who will have your child which lets you have 2 legacy's instead of the normal 1. Try and complete the complex quest for the momento mori and you can carry that over to next captain. Pretty soon you can start with the best gun and buy the best deck gun and buy a corvette immediately on your rebirth! There are a bunch of other carry over stat upgrades as well, most of them involve ending your game though so you need to pick a good time.

this is such a great post

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Seaside Loafer posted:

Try and score enough cash to get at least the townhouse to start off with and stick heirlooms in it so your next guy has some extra starting float. Always add to the starting float. Also visit the pub in london to get off with some spy women who will have your child which lets you have 2 legacy's instead of the normal 1. Try and complete the complex quest for the momento mori and you can carry that over to next captain. Pretty soon you can start with the best gun and buy the best deck gun and buy a corvette immediately on your rebirth! There are a bunch of other carry over stat upgrades as well, most of them involve ending your game though so you need to pick a good time.

Dad the job market just doesn't work like that anymore

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I dunno I think my negotiating position would be a lot stronger if I had a warship with a decent deck gun at my disposal.

radmonger
Jun 6, 2011

OwlFancier posted:

I would expect you'll just see them contesting fewer and fewer seats and losing more and more ground. Until they're a vestigial organ consisting of vince cable's hat controlling the brain of some random nerd. Despite this the guardian will claim they are the real opposition.

I’d like to live in that timeline. Unfortunately, I seem to be stuck in the one where at the next election, Corbyn will be the only political leader who voted for Brexit, after it is clear to everyone just what a disaster it was.

Unless something changes, before 2022 there will be at least one opinion poll that gives the LDs (or some rebadged variant) a higher vote share than Labour. And there will be at least talk of defections, splits and leadership challenges.

This analysis is basically right:

http://crookedtimber.org/2018/12/29/if-brexit-goes-ahead-say-goodbye-to-radical-redistribution/

quote:

But enough people will stick with their anger and resentment against Brexit for disaffected Remainers to be electorally significant. There will be no healing of the division, no national coming-together. Corbynite tweeters will rail against the selfishness of middle-class people who won’t vote Labour any more. Maybe they’ll have a point. But the fact is they need the targets of their anger to vote with them rather than for an individualistic set of policies that abandon the worst off. The future looks surprisingly bright for people like George Osborne and the Orange Book Liberals, and the left has stuffed itself, again.

The thing about FBPEs is that there are a gently caress of a lot of them; every third page of this thread has another revelation of ‘oh _they_ are a FBPE too’. They vote, so they show up in opinion polls. There are very few _current_ LD voters, for obvious reasons. So FBPEs can’t be all LDs; a lot of them must be part of the currently measured Labour poll numbers. Piss them off, and they won’t be.

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






Pound_Coin posted:

This country and its culture are poison.
Yep. Its gotten to the point where I can't argue against this anymore.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

radmonger posted:

I’d like to live in that timeline. Unfortunately, I seem to be stuck in the one where at the next election, Corbyn will be the only political leader who voted for Brexit, after it is clear to everyone just what a disaster it was.

We can try and open a portal to you - climb the clock tower at midnight tomorrow!!

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

radmonger posted:

I’d like to live in that timeline. Unfortunately, I seem to be stuck in the one where at the next election, Corbyn will be the only political leader who voted for Brexit, after it is clear to everyone just what a disaster it was.

Unless something changes, before 2022 there will be at least one opinion poll that gives the LDs (or some rebadged variant) a higher vote share than Labour. And there will be at least talk of defections, splits and leadership challenges.

I dunno what you're on but you might want to lower the dosage. Or raise it, not sure which.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Guavanaut posted:

They produce a hormone called petersonin which means that sexism is natural and denying me a job is a postmodern conspiracy.
Stand up straight and buy my book.

This sounds interesting, is it available at all good retailers?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Absolutely

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platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

Failed Imagineer posted:

Benatar has some interesting ideas but I think it's a philosophical stretch to posit that Love is morally equivalent to a Battlefield

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