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Infinotize posted:The engineering explained dude did a carbon impact of ev vs ice video that is interesting (cost ignored) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RhtiPefVzM Wow, that's way faster than I would have expected. I thought the CO2 embodied in a vehicle was much larger. Making me rethink my "drive my car until it's literally falling apart" strategy.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Wow, that's way faster than I would have expected. I thought the CO2 embodied in a vehicle was much larger. Making me rethink my "drive my car until it's literally falling apart" strategy. One glaring omission is that he didn’t take into account the carbon footprint to produce gasoline, but did so with producing batteries. I would bet that has an absolutely massive impact on the carbon footprint.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Trouble is, truck choice will operate according to the same misplaced masculinity regardless of whether the electric truck (let’s be real, it’ll be the Tesla) creams every ICE truck on the market at the jobsite. Driving one will make you some kind of vegan liberal pussy even if it obliterates a Raptor in a sprint, has twice the towing capacity, and loving prints money. Nah, if it's better commercial fleet operators will go for it. There was a time when all OTR trucks were Mack, Kenworth, Peterbuilt etc. Volvo and others entered the market and some operators talked a lot of trash but the bean counters who approve purchasing don't give a gently caress about their opinions. Volvo is bringing BEV class 8 trucks to California in 2020. If you mean pickups specifically, well it might be a while before the technology catches up with how people use trucks in the USA (inexplicably, as long distance family haulers).... But again if it's really better it will catch on. It doesn't really matter what yokel local thinks, it matters what the guy with the HVAC company looking at his monthly fueling bill thinks.
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Whew the blizzard in NM was rough on us, we were stuck on I-75 for 8 hours. I had to turn off climate control in order to make sure we still had enough range. We’re out of the snow now, car needs a wash!
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Some interesting info in the monthly stickies in /r/electricvehicles. From the global sales info thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/aafmft/global_ev_sales_november/)  From the US sales info thread, which hasn't updated yet this month (https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/a3542h/us_monthly_electric_vehicle_sales_thread_november/)   In case you missed it, that last image shows US sales going up 4x in the past (less than) year. Holy poo poo. EDIT: Looking at the source, it would be more accurate to go with YoY numbers which are 1.8x compared to last year. Industry only doubled in a year, pack it up boys. Ulf fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Dec 30, 2018 |
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Really dumb observation after a few weeks of owning my Volt. I knew is love not paying for gas hardly ever, but I didn't anticipate how much I love that I don't have to worry about fluctuating prices. I was always paranoid about when to buy gas because what if it goes up tomorrow? What if I buy it now and it crashes 25c in a couple days? Now, who cares! Charging my Volt is the same $/kWh now as it was last week and as it will be next week. I can fill up whenever I want! I feel so free!
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Whew the blizzard in NM was rough on us, we were stuck on I-75 for 8 hours. I had to turn off climate control in order to make sure we still had enough range.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:If you like your current car, IMO the economically and environmentally best decision is to keep your current car. You save your money and you save all the CO2 that goes into building the replacement car. Plus for electrics specifically the market is changing pretty dang fast so waiting a few years may get you a substantially better/cheaper product. The question of break even on manufacture/use was already addressed, but I would like to point out that in this case the Model 3 would not be replacing the Taurus. Someone would buy it and they would probably drive the Taurus just as much as johnny sack had. They in turn would sell their 2009 model Average Car to someone else who in turn would get rid of their old car. In the end the car that is being replaced is some more than decade old junker that no one wants to buy anymore and it ends up in the junkyard or is left to rot in the backyard. Also the recycling rate for cars is pretty high, so that improves the calculation even more. Thing brings up an interesting thought exercise, how many cars should be bought every year to minimize the total CO2 emissions? Saukkis fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Dec 30, 2018 |
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Ulf posted:Some interesting info in the monthly stickies in /r/electricvehicles. Last year was 200k *EVs. This year Tesla sold what—130k Model 3s? 150k? That’s almost all of the increase right there.
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Ulf posted:As impractical as an EV motorcycle is in every other way, I love how the climate control (a 90W jacket liner) has no appreciable effect on range. Running it for 24 hours on max will eat 15% of my battery. Oh yeah, the heated seats also won’t do jack to the battery, that’s what kept us from freezing! I’m still riding a fossil motorcycle (Husky 701). Some day I’ll be 100% electric.
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For winter EV road trips a nice fleece throw helps your passengers a lot. brb buying a driving snuggie
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Digging deeper it seems like Leaf sales have fallen off a cliff in the US (they still do well elsewhere in the world). I'll miss you, weird little bug car.  EDIT: ^^^^ Driving gloves? check Driving sunglasses? check Driving shoes, even though I don't have to heel-toe in an EV? check Driving snuggie? oh that's a big check. Ulf fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Dec 30, 2018 |
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Ulf posted:Digging deeper it seems like Leaf sales have fallen off a cliff in the US (they still do well elsewhere in the world). I'll miss you, weird little bug car. There are probably now enough EV options that the mediocre battery cooling and fast charge penalty because of it are turning off any EV purchaser who has done any research. Shame the 2019 battery back still isn't redesigned
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RZA Encryption posted:For winter EV road trips a nice fleece throw helps your passengers a lot. The wife and daughter were snuggled up under a Sherpa throw from Costco. PBUC.
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RZA Encryption posted:For winter EV road trips a nice fleece throw helps your passengers a lot. The first is a good suggestion, the second is loving brilliant. Gonna get me a performance driving Snuggie and have the alpinestars logo embroidered on it. 
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Qwijib0 posted:There are probably now enough EV options that the mediocre battery cooling and fast charge penalty because of it are turning off any EV purchaser who has done any research. They were supposed to unveil the 60kWh battery pack at the LA Auto show, but didn't thanks to the Ghosn stuff! It's rescheduled for CES, January 8 or so. edit: source https://electrek.co/2018/12/04/60kwh-nissan-leaf-to-debut-at-ces-w-100kw-charging-200-hp-well-be-there/
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drgitlin posted:Last year was 200k *EVs. This year Tesla sold what—130k Model 3s? 150k? That’s almost all of the increase right there. has this been confirmed by independent (non-tesla) sources?
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Charles posted:They were supposed to unveil the 60kWh battery pack at the LA Auto show, but didn't thanks to the Ghosn stuff! It's rescheduled for CES, January 8 or so. Along with the 60kWh battery pack, which sadly is still rumored to be passively air cooled, Nissan is expected to up its CHAdeMO charging speeds to 100kW. No active cooling and 100 kW charging seems like a nightmare, hope that's false.
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Not directly related to a manufactured EV, but this has been sitting on the local CL the last few weeks and i'm half tempted to pick it up. https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/seattle-1991-miata-special-edition/6763761722.html It needs a few grand in parts/wiring, but nothing outside of my wheelhouse. I think it would make a fun summer commuter for my ~40 mile round trip.
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Ripoff posted:The first is a good suggestion, the second is loving brilliant. Gonna get me a performance driving Snuggie and have the alpinestars logo embroidered on it. driving suits are comfortable as gently caress and warm, hth
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the spyder posted:Not directly related to a manufactured EV, but this has been sitting on the local CL the last few weeks and i'm half tempted to pick it up. Well shoot if you're up for completing it that seems like a really neat thing. I've been (VERY) casually looking at EV conversion stuff and it's not cheap. If you're looking for a project that seems like a good deal. Also I'm in Federal Way and would love to see it!
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Qwijib0 posted:Along with the 60kWh battery pack, which sadly is still rumored to be passively air cooled, Nissan is expected to up its CHAdeMO charging speeds to 100kW. Ahh I missed that line. Dang
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Is Nissan just completely married to the idea of an air-cooled battery pack? I assume it's cheaper to produce and they've decided that's worth the performance/degradation tradeoffs?
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^^^ I suspect that Nissan is going after a price point in temperate (or at least cooler) markets (Europe?), and is giving up on selling Leafs to Arizonans with their US-sized commutes.Lutha Mahtin posted:has this been confirmed by independent (non-tesla) sources? 145k is the Bloomberg estimate (https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tesla-tracker/, subtract the 2500 '17 deliveries), and they are open with the sources they use to build that estimate. Tesla skeptics have often promoted the Bloomberg number so I don't think it's going to be biased toward the high end (skeptics loved it because it was indicating they were having trouble hitting 5k/wk last quarter). Ulf fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Dec 30, 2018 |
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Is Nissan just completely married to the idea of an air-cooled battery pack? I assume it's cheaper to produce and they've decided that's worth the performance/degradation tradeoffs? it would seem really weird to me if they are intentionally not going to ever improve the thermal management of the battery. perhaps it's an issue of how this car has been in production for years, and now that cars with better management (e.g. the Bolt) have been released, it looks like the leaf has been leapfrogged
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Rapidgate is a thing with the leafs in Norway of all places. They screwed up. The new i3 has effectively double the usable range because it fast charges like a champ.
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angryrobots posted:If you mean pickups specifically, well it might be a while before the technology catches up with how people use trucks in the USA (inexplicably, as long distance family haulers).... But again if it's really better it will catch on..
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Jimong5 posted:If only one of the largest sellers of pickup trucks had a mature PHEV platform to put in there... I do hope that the next few years will see that platform come back. We should be 2 weeks of the f-150 hybrid debut, within a year of it hitting the road. spy shots suggest there's a plug in the front fender which makes sense because it should be the same hybrid system as the PHEV Aviator. Gm has also said more vehicles will get the "volt treatment" The regular models are more efficient now than the silverado hybrids were when they were around, so the hybrid f-150 is going to have to be pretty drat good to catch peoples attention. 
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Powershift posted:Gm has also said more vehicles will get the "volt treatment" You mean canceled?
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Powershift posted:We should be 2 weeks of the f-150 hybrid debut, within a year of it hitting the road. spy shots suggest there's a plug in the front fender which makes sense because it should be the same hybrid system as the PHEV Aviator. Gm has also said more vehicles will get the "volt treatment" That Silverado wasn't really a hybrid in the conventional sense though. IIRC it was just a bigger, beefier starter motor and lead acid battery that let it pull away on the starter. Essentially just stop-start.
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Around here PHEV vahicles are very popular as company cars. For example, with taxes a BMW 530e PHEV (45 km all electric range) is 9000€ cheaper than a 530i and 15000€ cheaper than 530d so it is easy to see why.
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Finger Prince posted:That Silverado wasn't really a hybrid in the conventional sense though. IIRC it was just a bigger, beefier starter motor and lead acid battery that let it pull away on the starter. Essentially just stop-start. 48v mild hybrids are a thing https://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/05/48-volt-mild-hybrids-a-possible-cure-for-diesel-emissions-cheats/
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drgitlin posted:48v mild hybrids are a thing https://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/05/48-volt-mild-hybrids-a-possible-cure-for-diesel-emissions-cheats/ This sounds basically like how my '03 Civic hybrid works. I don't know the actual implementation details under the hood, but the electric motor isn't strong enough to drive the car by itself; it just AFAICT helps to start the engine and keep it in its most efficient RPM range. It was good enough to get me high-40's MPG when I bought the car in '08, degrading to around 35MPG now after around 150k miles.
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I'm on the plane to Tromsø right now to pick up my new S75D 
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drgitlin posted:48v mild hybrids are a thing https://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/05/48-volt-mild-hybrids-a-possible-cure-for-diesel-emissions-cheats/ I was actually looking up the ram e-torque economy earlier before i got distracted by something shiny or something  the e-torque is only a $500 option once you figure out which configs allow it, so pretty much a no-brainer. Also looked up the Aviator PHEV propaganda and judging by the physical size of the battery, i can't see it being much larger than ~8kwh so even though you can run in electric only mode, it probably won't be good for any more than 25 miles. 
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the spyder posted:Not directly related to a manufactured EV, but this has been sitting on the local CL the last few weeks and i'm half tempted to pick it up. I wholeheartedly endorse more of AI joining me down the rabbit hole of EV conversions! bawfuls fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Dec 30, 2018 |
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I wish I was handy enough to do EV conversions because I'd love to do it with weird-rear end cars like a toyota century.
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If you are handy enough to do typical car work you are handy enough to do an EV conversion. Overall it’s simpler than an ICE car and there’s lots of resources online.
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What do you do with the transmission tunnel?
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